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no MM is not a special player at this time. he may be in the future. what will martone deliver?
those results will not be good enough. adequate will not be good enough. not sure why you can’t see that.
There’s always a chance Michkov could get injured. He scored 26 goals in the best league in the world at 19-20. He should top that at 20-21. He has better offense around him. There’s no reason to think Martone can’t do roughly the same. They’ll both be among the top 4 goal scorers on this team soon enough. It’s not elite offensive skill the Flyers lack. The top 4 goal scorers last year with CAR and FLA had 103 and 106. The Flyers had 95 with some upside on the way. It’s overall team D, the defensemen and the goaltending that need to get better now. If you want to complain, not sure why you aren’t complaining about that. If things don’t go much better defensively, it’s another tanked season. Keeping it vague and superficial I guess.
quantity is not greater than quality. majority are of the vanilla variety. nothing special. every team has those types. you act like all these picks will turn into nhl players. majority will not. flyers have shown the do not trade their “prospects”. do they ever sell high on someone they drafted?
there is no plan.
You only have to fill so many roster spots. You don’t need to have every prospect turn into a “special” player. Michkov already is, and Martone will deliver. That’s two out of those five Top 13 picks. Should Luckanko and Nesbitt become adequate regulars in their roles, that’s a plenty good result. Drysdale, the vaunted “puck-moving” defenseman, is gonna Drysdale.
they can 100% be buyers if it fits longer term; as they should. they have very little to sell.
if they are in the playoff “mix” I can easily see them buying to an extent and moving out some picks/prospects (not their “high” end ones)
Forwards develop faster. They’re within a year or two of having some surplus players to put a decent trade package together. They’ve got plenty of forward prospects. Likely more than enough will develop to fill any holes and the remainder becomes trade bait. This is clearly the plan. Still not sure how it’s a problem.
DB already announced that they are in buyer mode so i wouldn’t count on it.
The Flyers are in buyer mode until they aren’t. They won’t be buying this trade deadline even if all the band aids hold, they catch some lucky breaks and they are in playoff contention.
Zito putting it all together for the Panthers doesn’t diminish that the team was built around those 2 anchors and it took many years after they were drafted to get where they are. The Flyers haven’t even drafted those players. The clock hasn’t even started on an actual rebuild.
It certainly could happen that the Flyers miss the playoffs again this year, they win the lottery and draft McKenna or finish badly enough to pull a rabbit out of a hat with another 13th or higher pick. We went through all the recent Cup winners, and while they’ve all built their teams a bit differently, they were all built solidly, deep, good sized and a bit nasty.
Where are the Barkov, Ekblad, Austin Matthews, Makar, Sidney Crosby, McDavid, etc players?
The only reason you’re mentioning Barkov and Ekblad in the same breath as Crosby and McDavid is because they have Cups. Barkov is a Top 10 center in the league, not sure Ekblad is currently a Top 10 Dman but he’s close enough. FLA scored big with #1 and #2 overall picks more than a decade ago but it wasn’t until Zito came on that Florida became a legit contender and now 2-time champs. Barkov and Ekblad have good size, don’t get pushed around. Ekblad is a mean defender.
The Flyers are skipping step 1. They are drafting the people to support the corner stones, which they don’t have nor do they have a plan to acquire.
In the last four drafts, the Flyers have had five picks in the Top 13. With them, they got Drysdale (for all practical purposes), Michkov, Luchanko, Martone, Nesbitt. Players picked that high have about a 90% shot at becoming NHL regulars. Yes, the return on Gauthier is looking bad but I don’t see how anyone can complain about the picks now. Below those picks, they’ve grabbed Bonk, Zavgarin, Bump and a few others who could become regulars, not just guys who will get a few games in. They already have some good pieces in place, including one of those Top 13 draft picks.
Think I’ll go talk to a wall. I’m sure it will be a far more intelligent conversation.
Hahaha. Why, because I haven’t bought into every non-sensical anti-Flyers cliche you have? Here are a couple pro tips for you:
1. Wanting a team that doesn’t get pushed around like a bunch of shopping carts and, possibly, pushes the other team around, doesn’t mean skill doesn’t matter or that we should all time travel back to the 70s for that old time hockey.
2. Every smallish, amateur Dman with some offensive skills is not the next Erik Karlsson. Actually, playing defense still matters.
what in flahrs track record leads you to believe he is good at drafting? what so much faith?
It’s looks to me like they have plenty of forward prospects, and only one D prospect, who look like they will be regular NHL players. Martone, Luchanko, Nesbitt and maybe Berglund will play for the big team. Bonk will too. None of that will happen this season, but it’s on the way.
Is it any different than you claiming they’ll somehow be harder to play against over and over again? Sounds like a big if to me, but since it fits your narrative, it’s okay, right?
What if Buium isn’t the next Cale Makar but is the next Jamie Drysdale? We can obviously keep tabs on all four of Buium, Perrault, Luchanko and Bonk. We’ll see how that works out but it’s a little early to claim the Flyers are terrible at drafting based on a completely made-up hypothetical future.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
Finally, a voice of reason around here. The Flyers are within range of putting a decent, competitive team on the ice for the first time in years. A couple of the choices for opening night fixes, in G and on D, look questionable. Forwards look OK. They have 4 legitimate NHL centers and the Top 4 wingers combined for 95 goals last year. That is enough to go into this season with and hope the D and G band aids don’t fall off.
If and when the Flyers ever get to the current level Florida, Edmonton, and Vegas has attained, I’ll gladly listen to how they built a top-tier defensive corps via free agency. I’m guessing I won’t be hearing of this astounding success for a decade or more, or ever if they keep employing the incompetent because it’s the Flyers way.
And if Zegras and Drysdale show any inkling of improvement, not only will they get a bag of money, they’ll get a maximum term contract as well… it’s how the Flyers operate (just ask Owen Tippett).
Free agency? Some yeah, some draft and some trades. Every way you can acquire a defenseman. That’s how the good teams do it, usually with size and grit. None of FLA’s regular dmen are listed at under 200 lbs. Buium is 185. The Flyers do need to add there but we’ll see what the current corps can do soon enough.
Haha! The old “if that happens, then this will happen” argument. Tippett is the safest bet to have a full and productive season, then Zegras. Drysdale will be a project. It a turnaround doesn’t happen, a project with dwindling ice time.
You keep bringing up the Panthers, Oilers, and “recent better teams” as building their teams by bringing defensemen from outside the organization in. Well, if you haven’t checked, only 3 of the Flyers starting defensemen (if you’re considering the gimp Ristolainen as a starter) are home-grown talents. Despite the Flyers already “building” in the same manner as the Panthers and Oilers, they still can’t sniff the playoffs.
While I think your estimate of $20M may be a little low (based on RFA/UFAs at the end of the 2025/26 season, which I may delve into in another post at a later time), that money will dry up quickly if they choose to extend Michkov at the end of the season (the earliest they can do so), if Trevor Zegras meets or exceeds expectations, and if Drysdale finally takes a step forward. And that’s just the easiest 3 examples heading into the 2026/27 season.
Only three? What a catastrophe. Florida had one, Vegas had two covering the last three cups. Michkov will take some of the new surplus. Zegras is already making $5.75M. If he goes from the .75 PPG guy that got that deal to a .8 PPG guy with the Flyers, how much of a raise would he get? Drysdale needs to pull a rabbit out of a hat this season.
You’re looking small picture here. I’m looking big picture. Outside of the players who are currently on the NHL roster (which as a unit, is below average) and Oliver Bonk (who right now one has to hope can get somewhere near his ceiling or he’s just another name we’ll soon forget), what defenseman in the system is NHL quality within the next 2-5 years? Ditto for the goaltenders. Until one of those kids shows he can perform at the NHL level, they’re all the second coming of Maxime Oulette to me.
And as replied on another thread… how many good defensemen are you going to acquire via FA when you constantly spend to the cap? And yes, there is money coming off the books this season, but is it enough to rebuild a bad defense on the fly, and realistically, can this team spend it’s way out of its troubles? They sure as hell haven’t done it the past 15 seasons.
I’m looking at the small picture on D? I’m looking at the D corps of the best teams currently and in the recent past. If Sanheim, York and Bonk can comprise the Top 6 next season, that’s half your D corps and that’s more than most of the recent better teams have built their D.
The Flyers will have a bundle in cap space next July. Dead space gone, cap jumps, more young players on cheaper deals and some contracts won’t get extended. Somewhere around $20M I’m guessing.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.
