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https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts
Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!
“The Flyers made the winning bid with $52M ($71.4M adjusted for cap inflation, and their costly new asset depreciated right out of the gate, with Danny dropping down to 72 PTS in 79 GP in year one; not exactly terrible, but a disturbing cost to benefit ratio nevertheless.”
The guy who wrote this is an idiot. In the 08 playoffs alone, DB had 16 pts in 17 games and in all Flyers playoff games, he had 72 pts in 68 games.
do you consider tippet a core player?
I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.
Never said he was. Your arguments are a bit all over the place. So do you not care about size of forwards now? Is it the size on defense that contained McDavid or was it the defense backchecking like demons? Backchecking is not dependent on being huge. The puck is at ice level for everyone. Does skill matter at all in your world or is everyone Nick Seeler in a 6′ 200lb frame? It seems your position seems to change depending on the post.
Luchanko will definately make the team this year. Ready or not. Look how bad he was last year and they still tried to force him onto the roster. If he didn’t poop the bed so bad he might’ve gotten his 10 games in at least. It’s not like he had a stellar training camp either.
The Flyers could use a franchise center, franchise dman, and franchise goalie. You still haven’t addressed how the Flyers are going to acquire those necessary pieces.
Imagine Sanheim only having to be your #2 or #3 dman. Imagine Coots as your #2 center and Luchanko as your #3 center. Imagine, because that’s the only place you see the Flyers as a good team.
Size matters but exceptional players are exceptions. Is Bobby Brink an exceptional player? I don’t think he is. The center situation is a little better this year and a man deeper with Luchanko if he can pull it off. If not, they might have to scramble at 4C if there’s a long injury or Tocchet just wants to work both Cates and Dvorak into the top 9. If Zegras gets back to a .7 or so PPG level, he’s your number one center. I think he can do a little better. The D still needs work. There are only so many guys in the league that are better than Sanheim. It’s not that long a list.
I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.
Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.
So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.
Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.
Connor McDavid may be 6’1″ but he weighs 194, only a few more lbs than Buium and far less than your 200 lb minimum criteria to be on a cup team. Are those 6 lbs why the oilers didn’t win the cup last year? If he was only 5’11 do you not draft him because he’s not 6′ despite his amazing talent?
McDavid isn’t a defenseman either. It was awesome how all those 170 pound FLA Dmen were able to contain McD though. It’ll be interesting to see how Buium fits in Minnesota. The Flyers already had Drysdale for that role, I know that was a bad return in a bad spot, and needed a center more. The draft is done. Luchanko might still make the team this year. The Flyers can still use another guy who can play center.
the flyers formula is a way not to win a cup. 100% verified. but hey those big players the flyers drafted in 2025 will get them over the top in 3 years.
You can come out of the fallout shelter now. The bad Chuck and Hexy days are over.
perennial 40 goal scorer
He needs a center. Could be Zegras. I’d like to see them use Cates on wing but I can see Tippett as a huge upgrade over Brink on a line with Cates and Foerster.
6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.
The Flyers are just going to outwork everyone to the Stanley Cup, talent be damned.
Yes, that’s the answer. Make the Ice Capades fans happy with lots of “puck moving” defensemen and highly skilled, speedy forwards who weigh less than most of the players on the US Women’s National Team. That’s a sure formula for a Cup win.
in bold is so comical. yep, not a big talent discrepancy at all.
yeah, maybe I will watch. then I can possibly learn. my guess it will tell me the same thing. flyers are 2000 lightyears away from any point of contention.
that is a truckload of players to move out. flyers can really set themselves up for the future by moving those 2. they have zero interest in moving RR. I hope they re-sign him. shit hope they re-sgin dvorak as well.
Yeah, there is a big talent discrepancy too. FLA’s sixth highest scoring forward was Anton Lundell. For the Flyers, it’s Bobby Brink. Talented team or not, you get the best possible results playing the game the right way. The Flyers have to get that right and I’m pretty confident in Tocchet and staff’s chances of making that happen.
How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.
Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.
no need to claim. it’s a fact. you need to really stop comparing the flyers to top teams. its laughable.
yeah fun to watch. such a high-octane offense. can’t wait to be entertained.
who are they dumping at the deadline? wow that top 16 pick will franchise altering.
The difference between how the top teams play, especially FLA, is the biggest difference between them and the Flyers. FLA supports the puck like a pack of demons. The Flyers do not. Supporting the puck isn’t some elite “needle-moving” skill only Top 5 overall draft picks can master. You should watch the regular season and playoff games closely this year. You might learn something about NHL hockey.
Dvorak and possibly Risto could get them picks if it comes to that.
the entire team needs to get better not just the goalies and defenseman.
You claim the Flyers top goal scorers aren’t “needle movers” or “special” yet their production is close enough to the top goal scorers on the two teams that went to the conference finals in the East with upside on the way. This team will be fun to watch this year even if the D and G band aids don’t work as well as hoped. Worst case scenario: Dump at the deadline for more future assets and you still have your own Top 16 pick.
the real problem starts at the top with ownership. then trickles down layer by layer.
The almost nine year long Hextall/Fletcher catastrophe is over. That destroyed this team, no question. This is now. The team still has issues but it’s a ton better off than it was.
