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Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
Exactly. How many teams damaged themselves trying to force the next Erik Karlsson into their lineup?
Remember when the Flyers tried to draft the next Zdeno Chara by drafting 6’6″ Sam Morin, despite everyone during the draft projecting him to be an 8 year project because he was so raw? That would mean he’d be on at least his 3rd contract before he might pay off. Can’t teach size though. Good times.
Makar is the same size and weight as Buium and anchored a cup team only a few years ago. I know everyone wants to forget that hockey existed before FLA won the last 2 cups but it still took him a decade and all-star team around him.
You want the whole package? Plus height and elite talent? Draft top 3 (Ekblad 1st overall), otherwise you pick the BPA. Flyers sure as hell don’t ever want to pick top 3 and there’s nothing to suggest that Buium can’t anchor a cup winning team.
Zeev Buium drafted #2 in the Athletic 2024 NHL redraft. Luchanko drafted at 30. Berglund 31
Zeev listed as 8th best player/prospect under 23 (and as mentioned above 2nd best from his draft). Our lord and savior at center Jett? Better luck next year.
I know Bill said that the Flyers don’t care about justifying the Jett pick but evidence over the last year says otherwise. From DB’s statement that Zeev was to small to draft because they had Andrae (hahahahahaha) to the circus which resulted in Jett and the Flyers getting embarrassed during the early part of the season last year.
How much of this will they pin on Torts? Who knows? We do know that torts was absolute crap at evaluating players and coaching in general at this point in his career and he pretty much got whoever he wanted.
I think once again the bar will be low for Jett to make the team, partially because of how they have built him up even though he didn’t have a great year in juniors. It’s not really fair to the kid but the Flyers are not a competent franchise. He does everything the right (Flyers) way and they want to market that. Justify the reach. Especially, imo, with Zeev debuting this year.
As other posters have mentioned the right choice, if had been available, is probably the AHL. Since it’s not, you can reliably assume they will make the choice that is in their own self interest in the short term.
Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
But…
1) It was a very blueliner heavy 1st round last year (whereas 2025 was center-heavy up top)
2) He’s still viewed as a good future NHL
3) The scouts aren’t always right, and the pundits aren’t always wrongBut if he was 6’4″ (instead of 6′) do they think he’d be a #1 dman? Recency bias i guess with FLA winning.
2 year sample size for each in college.
Quinn in Mich .. 32 games, 5 goals, 28 assists and 37 games 5 goals, 24 assists
Zeev in Denver .. 42 games, 11 goals, 39 assists and 41 games, 13 goals, 35 assists.
Makar in UMass .. 32 games, 5 goals, 16 assists and 41 games, 16 goals, 33 assists.I know it’s not your personal opinion but I would like to know what the scouts see that i do not? We shall see over the next few seasons who is right but it’s not like anyone is going to call out unnamed scouts if they are wrong.
I would love to know where the scouts, who have concerns, would put him in a redraft.
A potential taker emerged: the Arizona Coyotes. The Coyotes offered ONLY to take Gostisbehere. In return, the Flyers had to accept “future considerations” (AKA no player or pick) and also had to include two Draft picks. Ultimately, the Coyotes “compromised” on 2022 second-round and seventh-round picks as the sweeteners.
The optics of the trade looked terrible. The Flyers had to deal an NHL roster offensive defenseman and two assets for nothing in return. Yes, cap space is an asset. Even so, the Flyers went into the deal knowing how bad it looked. They hoped Ellis would stay healthy. If he did, the team could easily withstand accepting the one-sided Gostisbehere deal.
The whole Ghost situation was pure incompetence from start to finish and nearly ended Ghost’s career. The team misused him on the ice and flogged him in the media daily to the point that he had no trade value. The best thing for his career was to get out of Philadelphia. The height of the “bias for action” era where the Flyers mistakenly thought that getting rid of Ghost and acquiring oft injured Ellis, Risto, and Yandle were the missing ingredients. There’s been entire books written on how bad the Risto trade/extension was but nobody got the Ghost treatment in the dumbassery in the media by the Flyers until Cutter Gauthier.
Who can forget the Flyers refusing to bench Yandle for 70+ games, despite him not even being a beer league defenseman at the time, because they promised to let him break the iron man streak. It was like wheeling grandpa out there. It was an embarrassing time to be a fan, even more so than now because in Yandle, they put the player before the rest of the team and the fans. Yet, Yandle was still shocked when, after he broke the streak, they benched him. In the end the Flyers made nobody happy and they were happy to do it.
Chuck never wondered why the oft injured defenseman Ryan Ellis was available for slightly more than a bag of pucks. Yea, it was more than that but the trade capital was way way way less than a healthy top pairing defenseman costs.
It’s hard to believe that members of the fanbase zealously defended Chuck’s boneheaded moves once upon a time. He usually lost both ends of trades and contracts but at least he always got his man. Usually the wrong man for 2x the term and no movement clause but he got him.
Also, regarding Price being a prototype, the answer is most likely no because, as you mentioned, his contract is not front loaded. It would have to be next offeseason and it would take much better sweeteners.
Looks like Lappy headed to the Icelanders as a scout
He joins Rocky, who after he did such a masterful job coaching up the Flyers PP, was named the Islanders AHL head coach. It’s a crazy world we live in.
Our PP has been pathetic the last few years, so why not try Bonk as the bumper? I know we don’t have a John LeClair, Mike Knuble or Wayne Simmonds type of player on the team, but I would like to see somebody cause a little mayhem in front of the net on the PP.
Well he’s still on the payroll and the PP advisors didn’t give the Flyers much bang for their buck, so have him suit up. How much worse can it get?
I saw this and, although it’s not hockey, it made me think of the Flyers because it’s the same damn defense of the team the flyers use.
Predicted to have one of the worst if not the worst defense in the league this year but man, they have the championship culture that nobody else has.
That’s when you know you are rock bottom.
I think Couturier is better than you do at this stage. I don’t expect him to be the .9 PPG player he was in his prime, but he can still get to .7-.75 PPG and help a team win. That’s actually a good 2C, if you’re thinking in those terms. Zegras will be the 1C offensively at least. These forward lines look OK to me. I don’t see any worrisome holes there. Could a couple spots be upgraded? That’s what Luchanko and Martone are for in a year. It’s the team D that needs to get way better. There are worrisome holes on the blueline.
He hasn’t come close to that post back surgery but maybe getting away from Torts will rejuvenate him. I doubt it though. You are putting alot of faith in Zegras just needing a change of scenery. I hope you are correct.
The media just won’t let the Flyers die. In the media the Flyers are always rising from the dead like a vampire. You just can’t drive a stake into the narrative.
At least he says he doesn’t think the Flyers will actually make the playoffs but he put them in the group of playoff caliber teams.
Tocchet might want 2 scoring lines and a checking line. He can do that.
Michkov-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Zegras-Tippett
Dvorak-Cates-BrinkTocchet might want 3 balanced lines and put his three best right hand shots on right wing. He can do that.
Bump-Couturier-Konecny
Dvorak-Zegras-Tippett
Michkov-Cates-FoersterTocchet might want to leave two lines that worked well late last year together and piece together a third line. He can do that.
Michkov-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Cates-Brink
Dvorak-Zegras-TippettA lot of options. None bad.
None good. Coots is probably a good 3C who can play up and down the lineup at this point in his career on a contender and he may still be the best the Flyers have. He did have a bit of a revival last year as the team fell apart around him but I doubt at age 33 with his injury history that if they lean on him to hard that he’ll produce and more importantly, stay healthy.
In each of the two previous campaigns, he topped the 30-goal mark despite missing 22 games due to injuries in 2022-23 and a half-dozen games the next year.
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However, there is one legitimate concern with the player. Konecny’s all-out style play is a necessity for him to be effective.It makes you wonder how long his body will hold up as he starts that 8 year contract. Will he still be the same player in 3 years or will he be in decline?
Did you read who actually wrote the article?
No other opinion on Jett, Jetts treatment by the org, or Jett’s future?
Yes, i screwed up but it wasn’t worth even going back and editing the post. Bill wrote the first article and he posted both articles in the thread.
Other than me misattributing the article, thoughts?
So much for all the Jett hype. Maybe the poor kid, if not incessantly hyped up and used as a pawn, can be properly developed. It’s a shame he wasn’t drafted by a team run by professionals.
Don’t forget that FLA team is better as a team than the sum of its’ parts.
Have you seen their parts? How many teams have better parts than the Panthers?
Nobody is disputing you need team buy-in, but that goes for every team. It’s not unique to the Panthers as i mentioned in an earlier post.
