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Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantMore nonsense from the guy who doesnt know what communism is eh. -fakechange
More fake change eh?
For the right price, JT can still be a 50pt 2nd line center or shift over to wing or the 3rd line center role.
Oh, 50 points? Wow. For sure we’ll win the Cup now…
3rd line? Yes, of course, genius plan to make the guy who can’t play defense play a shut down role.
The ol’ Tavares doesnt help this win nonsense……it was his goal that got the leafs to the 2nd for the first time in decades.
But ok.The ol’ Johnny Toronto Pajamas propaganda believers are a lost cause. He scored how many goals and points to win games vs Florida? Oh, right, none. He scored one OT series winner in 7 prime years so therefore sign him again in his wheelchair years. It’s like Shanahan never left.
Fake change.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantToo late.
We’ve already got king garbage over here.
No one missed him in the other site.
Or anyone. This place is already polluted with nonsense at times. Get him out.Awww, cupfake…”ban everybody I don’t like”…how familiar…
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantWe need Cush29 and Aaron to moderate this place like they did in the past.
“Moderators” is why everybody is here right now, so, hard pass on that.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantTavares will come back to the Leafs and be fine as a 2nd line centre. Especially at a considerably cheaper pricetag.
Tavares absolutely sucks and has flown under the radar for blame because of these persistent roomers he will take a “discount”.
That’s the new level of stupidity the Leafs bloodlust mob has reached. If a bad player who doesn’t help you win convinces you he took a “discount” he becomes a hero. Still a loser, but a hero.
Don’t score in 6 out of 7 games in Round 2? No problem because discount.
On the ice for the most even strength goals against on the team? No problem because discount.
On the wrong side of soon to be 35 and slow? No problem because discount and Leafs pajamas.
Tavares has not and will not be fine as a 2nd line center. At his absolute best, he didn’t help this team win. Now, as he approaches his worst years, he will be totally useless. The money that the Leafs “save” by bringing in Tavares will have to be spent just to counter balance the amount of goals scored against while he’s on the ice. And he doesn’t seem capable of being a positive possession player against a team like Florida in the playoffs anymore either. This means whatever cap space he does take up, as “discounted” as it is, he won’t earn that either.
To actually become a positive on the team, he’d literally have to enter Corey Perry territory of less than 2 million a year and just be off to the side until he’s needed on the PP or select offensive zone situations.
For all the screaming Leafs fans are doing about “change”, they certainly want very little of it to actually happen or be effective. Seems really familiar…
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantSo you guys keep on posting on the same thread and not whatever new blog is popping?
Nobody has ever cared about the blogs.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantIt’s going to be interesting to see if the cap projections remain. There’s certainly dark clouds on the economic horizon that make the cap raises look in doubt – Bettman said something to this effect a ways back.
Only for Canada.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThere are certain posters we’re hoping don’t find their way over here, fingers crossed.
too late
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThat means 1 – 6 next game in Carolina or something like this.
Florida always coming strong after such games like tonight.You’d be surprised, Carolina is a lunch pail team. Florida lost 3 straight games to Edmonton last year too, so they aren’t perfect either. I don’t think they’ll blow the series but Carolina won’t quit. I could see them winning one more.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantAndersen with the shutout facing elimination.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantMarner is walking out the door with no return on the asset.
Not 100% that he’s leaving. That just seems to be the story for idiot fans with bloodlust and the media painting him as the bad guy to cover MLSE’s ass.
Leafs are in a tough spot to try to get better. Not a great pool of free agents and few assets to deal.
If they can reach a deal with Marner, the UFA pool can work in their benefit so long as they purge the roster of the passengers.
And if you let Tavares walk….who is playing center on this team??
It almost doesn’t matter because as long as whomever replaces Tavares isn’t a defensive blackhole, the Leafs will be better off without him.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantIt’s going to be difficult to move Rielly.
I disagree. It’s a challenge but not any more difficult than deals we’ve seen in the past. Just need to get everybody on the same page and be creative. Let’s all remember, Karlsson got traded at a cap hit over 11 million. There’s always a buyer if the price is right.
1st you need him to waive in NMC
2nd you need to find a team that can take on his entire salary with no retention.
3rd get ready for a crappy return ..I think Rielly, at his best, gets you a 1st round pick, roster player and a top prospect. A guy who can skate and put up 60-70 points at 7.5 AAV would be a bargain. Obviously, he’s not at his best and his value will be nowhere near that. But the cap is going up 7 million dollars this year. That means almost his entire cap hit could be covered by the cap increase alone. The cap minimum is up to 70 million. There’s about to be a big increase in the amount of teams that will be looking to spend money just to reach the cap floor.
Now, that’s not to say Rielly will accept a trade to San Jose, although it’s close enough to BC that he might consider it if they weren’t a trash team, but there are a number of teams that geographically might work for him. Top of the list is Vancouver and Seattle. Possibly Utah because they’re closer to the West and not a bad team either.
In terms of salary, again, because you have so many teams out there looking just to reach the cap floor, you can never dismiss a team being a 3rd party to lower his cap hit. Meaning, Leafs trade Rielly to San Jose (or Columbus), they retain 2-3 million, take a 3rd round pick, then Rielly lands in Vancouver for 4.5 – 5.5 million. Leafs get a 3rd liner and/or a depth D to fill Rielly’s spot at half the cost.
A cap floor team increases it’s cap hit without paying real dollars and gets a draft pick. Vancouver gives up a mid draft pick and a 3rd liner for a player who could replace Hughes when he eventually wants to be moved out. The Leafs get cap relief and a gritty 3rd liner.
Everybody wins.
Kampf has a 10 team no trade clause which can be work with. lucky to get a 3rd round pick for him
Kampf absolutely sucks for what the Leafs need but he’s another guy who would fit on a team somewhere just looking to reach the cap floor and add a 4th liner. Future considerations would be fine.
Jarnkrok I’d hang on to him. he’s got 1 more year before he’s a UFA. Could be a trade dead line to move him out
Jarnkrok is a playoff failure. I think a bubble team would take him but he absolutely sucks for the Leafs. Could easily see him going to a team like Columbus and being able to score 15-20 again but he’s not right for the Leafs.
Reaves not sure to buy him out or just send him to the minor but he should be done as Leafs.
His contract is allegedly very easy to bury. He’s finished. Maybe somebody takes him for a 7th round pick but I don’t think the Leafs need to worry about his contract very much anymore.
Robertson is most likely gone and I’d try to move Holmberg
Would gladly trade both of them as additions to any deal that helps the Leafs acquire more guys like McBain, Pospisil etc.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThe series was not as close as it seemed. Bobrovsky was hot trash in games 1 and 2. If he’s average even, those games are split.
The Panthers took more shot attempts, more shots on goal, more chances, more possession, more goals etc. They brought their best, did all that stuff but they still needed 7 games to beat the Leafs.
Florida plays an exceptional high pressure game. But Bob is turning 37 next year. He won’t be Bob for much longer. If the Leafs keep this team together, drop the passengers (Tavares, Rielly, Kampf and Jarnkrok), replace them with needle movers (even just a 5-10% improvement overall), they can beat the Panthers and go further than they have ever gone before.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantIt does when your hero has given every indication that he wants to play elsewhere.
I am not sure why this is such a hard thing for you to grasp.. Even if the Leafs offered 8 X $14. According to Friedman or Dregger he already turned down 8 x $13.5 in season.
Must be why he accepted the trade to Carolina to play on a better team, make more money after taxes and leave Toronto. Oh wait…he didn’t…
Ever stop to think for a second that the guys in the media are either useful idiots or total liars? Or, get paid by the company that owns the team and therefore has a vested interest in making Marner look as bad as possible to save face for the company because they mismanaged the team so badly they have to make the players seem like bad guys so they can continue to make money without providing results?
Nah, you probably didn’t.
Nobody knows what any real offer or demand actually looked like and how or what was negotiated except management and his agent.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantYou cannot possibly be serious. Florida didn’t win the division because Barkov and Tkachuk were injured, Ekblad was suspended for 1/4 of the season, and, quite frankly, they probably coasted for most of the season knowing they could just turn it on at any point in the playoffs.
The Leafs didn’t choke, Florida just pounded them into oblivion like they did to Tampa, like they’re doing to Carolina, and like they’ll do to whoever comes out of the West.
The Leafs may have been fortunate to win the division but they also had Matthews at 50% for most of the season (when he played) and their own list of injuries, particularly in net. You can debate back and forth if the Leafs could win the division if all things were equal. But in the playoffs, the Leafs made it to Game 7. That you can’t debate.
They started the series with a 2-0 lead. Took Game 3 to OT and could have easily been up 3-0. Then lost in 7. That’s a bit of a choke considering how strong they started and how they fell off towards the end. That being said, they still shut out Florida, in Florida, in Game 6 to survive. Game 5 and Game 7 were a major disappointment, of that there is no doubt, but they didn’t get blown out every game in the series like Carolina is right now. The Leafs had early success, Florida made adjustments and the Leafs didn’t have the depth to counter punch once their top stars got figured out. Florida had the depth even though most of their top guys were also under control (Tkachuk 0 goals in 7 games, for example).
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantUltimately, replacing Marner with a Bennett doesn’t really solve for that – it probably makes you even slower with the puck, but more physical.
Bennett scored a career high 51 points last season. And also -15. I could see the argument for adding Bennett. But to replace Marner? That’s a crackhead idea. I’m not saying that’s what you are suggesting but there’s way too many people who seem to think: Marner out, Bennett in, Cup parade.
Not only would he be stupid to leave Florida (more money, less pressure, better weather, proven successful team) but he’s going to get the biggest contract of his career and most of it will be paying him for years after 30. He fits in Florida but his next contract will also be an anchor sooner rather than later.
They need to upgrade the bottom-6 and find a way to improve their puck speed in the top-6. -monkeypunk
You are 100% correct with this statement.
What is the best possible advanced stats 3rd line (LW | C | RW) collection of current UFAs you can find for 12-15 AAV or less?
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