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I would like to agree with most of what you say, but the same problem exists.
Get rid of Kampf, that’s Marner’s salary increase. And the rest of the team could be exactly the same. Replace Jarnkrok with another (or two) 4th liners for the same salary.
The “problem” is the money wasted and the goals scored against with Tavares and Rielly.
Remember, Tavares scored 2 goals in the entire series against Florida. They were both in the same game and they lost the game. The other 6 games, he was useless offensively and defensively a liability.
The same applies to Rielly in Games 4, 5, 6 and 7. There is nothing he does offensively that OEL can’t do. And there is nothing defensively that a guy like Dumoulin can’t do for half the price as a replacement. If you can move Rielly for even a 3rd line player who makes 2-3 AAV plus you sign Dumoulin for 3 AAV, you would still have left over cap space to sign a guy like Brandon Tanev.
Two right wingers who will command too much cap space. Sure, sign Marner, but you’d need to be moving on from Willie, since he’s got another 7 years on his contract.
Now ask yourself, if the Leafs team was exactly the same but instead of Tavares and Rielly, they had a two-way 2C, a two-way 3C, 2nd pair LHD and a 4th line crash and banger, all for the same salary, would they not beat Florida in 7 games? I’d say they do. But even if they couldn’t, you add more players with the 7 million dollar cap increase (maybe a playoff LW like Reilly Smith + another shutdown 3rd liner) and you definitely can beat Florida in 7. Why? Because Florida will have to spend all their cap space to keep their team exactly the same as it is now without adding anybody new. And Bob will be 37 next year. Three long playoff runs in a row catch up to you eventually.
Marner can’t get more than $12.5m per season or it just won’t work.
It works just fine. Not ideal, but still manageable. The money required to fill the gaps doesn’t have to come at the cost of Marner.
Knies must be the priority, since he’s younger and a playoff player.
Knies had 7 points (5G/2A) in 13 games. Remember that. Where was Knies in Game 5, 6 and 7? Where was he when he had breakaways in OT? Sorry, but you’re overrating Knies. He’s not a superstar yet. Without Marner and Matthews, he’s not carrying a line or a team by himself and would still be behind Marner, Matthews and Nylander in terms of value and importance. It’s important the Leafs keep Knies to a 3 year, 6.5 AAV contract. When Domi comes off the books, they can give Knies an increase to 10 AAV, if he earns it. Both sides win.
Trading Stolarz might be an idea, since his stock has risen. The Oilers might be willing to make a trade to upgrade their goaltending. Make them pay, for sure.
Very low odds the Leafs do that considering Woll is still an injury risk and the Oilers don’t have much to give the Leafs that they don’t need themselves.
Looking at the list of UFAs this year, there are some intriguing options for PTOs and Marlies.
Maxime Comtois, 6’3″, 222, spent last season in the KHL and scored 21 goals and 50 points. Also scored 7 goals and 13 points in the KHL playoffs. Big body, LW with NHL experience could probably get him back in the NHL with at least a PTO. This guy would be an upgrade for the Leafs bottom-six for sure.
Jaden Lipinski is a 20 years old center, 6’4″, 210 from Scottsdale, Arizona. That’s an interesting one considering he might already know Matthews and Knies. He scored 58 points in the WHL last season. Could potentially come in for the Marlies to start but gives the Leafs a free prospect.
Perhaps Justin Kipkie, at 19 years old, LHD, 6’3, 208 and is worth a look. Utah hasn’t signed him. 62 points, 13 playoff points in the WHL.
Seth Griffith, a familiar name, had 68 points in the AHL. Solid Marlies addition who could compete for a spot at camp. He’s basically the same size as Holmberg and Robertson. Might be worth a look for a PTO.
Also from the AHL, Matthew Peca scored 30 goals and 63 points. Not as small as Griffith but another solid Marlies addition and PTO candidate.
John Leonard, 26, LW/RW, 35 goals and 60 points in the AHL. Only 5’11”, 190 but could be worth a look for the Marlies / PTO.
Alexander Barabanov, another familiar name, spent some years in the NHL as a depth player. He’s a UFA again after scoring 25 goals and 58 points in the KHL. Another late bloomer that might want another crack at the NHL. Again, seems like an improvement over Robertson and Holmberg, at the very least.
Nolan Stevens, 28 years old, 6’3, 190 from Brantford, scored 22 goals and 52 points in the SHL.
Most of these players have obvious flaws but the risk is so low for the Leafs, they could literally sign them all to be Marlies at whatever they want. I’d hand out PTOs to 12 guys and even if ONE of them turns into a productive 4th liner or free prospect, I’d consider it a win.
After watching Easton Cowan and the Hunter Brothers London Knights, they deserve an NHL look. That OHL franchise has been one of the best run franchises for over a decade. If they really want to make a difference, bring the Brothers in and put them into upper management. A winning pedigree is just that. The Leafs need more winners, not has-beens. To beat the Panthers, you have to be as tough as the Panthers. It looks like they’re going to roll into the finals and probably win it again.
The USNDP is catching up to the OHL but the OHL is still the gold standard for winning, successful NHL players. Looking at this Leafs roster, they would severely benefit from having battle tested draft picks on ELC. It doesn’t have to be the Hunters, but the Leafs need a head of scouting that brings in gems in every round that knows the OHL like the back of their hand.
Of all of the Leafs contracts, this one needs to be moved. Even for a 3rd rounder, if possible. Ekblad would be the player that I’d target for that money in the off season.
I would still say that Rielly has value left in him, albeit not peak value. Vancouver, he would waive for and they’re going to have a Hughes problem pretty soon. I don’t think there’s a chance in hell he stays on that team. They’ll need, at worst, an offensive LHD to replace him eventually.
Same goes for Seattle and to a lesser extent, Utah. I think there’s some wiggle room to have Rielly waive his NMC. Worse players have been traded before. Players usually accept to waive if they are given ample time to consider their new team.
I’d be happy to receive a depth D and/or a bottom-six player for Rielly and use the added cap space to sign a steady depth replacement.
The Panthers are just dummying the Canes again tonight. If only Willy and Knies could have scored in overtime, in game 3 against the Panhandlers, then we could have been dummying the Canes. Now there’s a team that needs a retool. I guess losing in 7 against this team doesn’t look as bad, after seeing the Canes and Bolts getting destroyed by the Panthers.
The idiots blaming Andersen are getting a rude awakening right now because obviously the goaltending change didn’t make a difference. Unfortunately, the Panthers are just the best team in the East. The Leafs seem to be 2nd best. It’s been a long time since the Leafs could say that. It’s just more evidence piling up by the day that the Leafs should move forward by keeping their best pieces, purging the passengers and adding some new muscle to the mix.
As much as I struggle with it on either end of the logical scale in that, largely for their versatility, I would rather have Marner than Nylander – and they are compared here because of the salary issues – but the fact is that Marner checked out before that series was over and game 7’s response from the hometown put a lid on it. Adjustments are so hard to make mid-series with players, but you can’t help but wonder if Domi swapping with Marner would’ve helped in any capacity. I think no matter who was up there Matthews not finishing on his chances severely limited the top line. -monkeypunk
Marner is better than Nylander, even with the price difference. But if the Leafs dump the right players, they don’t have to pick one or the other.
Tavares must go away. Rielly must go away. Kampf must go away. Jarnkrok must go away.
Let’s face it the 2LW was an achillies heel for this team. Holmberg was -6 at 5v5 in that series. That’s double the next closest (Tavares, Laughton, Lorentz and Carlo were all -3) and it’s been one because they don’t have the money to put it there. They need a 2C and then to move JT to the wing. They also will need a top-6 RW; I do think that because he’s a shooter, they could keep Nylander and Matthews apart and find a different RW.
Agreed on Holmberg, he can’t score to save his life. But Tavares and Nylander can’t defend to save their lives either. And Tavares’ defense was the true Achilles heel, being on the ice for the most EVGA than any Leafs forward. I’m willing to tolerate Nylander because I know we can get him a LW and a C who can cover up his obvious flaws. But there’s no way I’m going to tolerate Tavares for a second longer after how many chances he got to make it work. Holmberg, if he wants, can be a rotational 4th liner. But he’ll never be useful to the Leafs in any meaningful role.
Suppose for a moment, Kampf’s salary goes to Marner’s increase. He didn’t play meaningful hockey anyway so the Leaf don’t lose anything of value but retain a 100 point player, 4th all-time in Leafs playoff points.
Next, suppose Knies gets a bridge contract. Let’s say 3 years, 6.5 million AAV with max signing bonuses. In 3 years, Domi’s contract ends and you can give Knies the increase from Domi coming off the books which would bring the Knies budget up to 10-11 AAV. It also gives the Leafs more time to see if Knies is actually worth a big, long term commitment.
Short term, the Leafs save on cap space by not buying UFA years. He hits UFA status faster, which agents want now more than ever. The Leafs can worry about his next contract later and focus on going for it now they still have Matthews in his prime. The savings from not giving him a long term deal allows the Leafs to sign another depth forward like Brandon Tanev, just as an example.
Third, Rielly’s money plus Jarnkrok’s money totals roughly 10 million. The cap increase is another 7 million. I wager you could go into your advanced stats and find three players, a LW, a C and a RW who could become the Leafs new 3rd shutdown line and play positive possession hockey, kill penalties, shut down players and even chip in some offense for 12 million or less. You could try to move Rielly to Vancouver or Seattle. I’d say Utah might be a stretch but you could try to bring in McBain to fill at least one hole in return for Rielly and replace Rielly with a cheaper UFA.
The X-Factor that the Panthers had that the Leafs did not. The Panthers 3rd line won them the series. And it was a close series but they were clearly the difference makers. That’s what the Leafs are truly missing. But luckily, they can afford to fix it if they make the correct sacrifices in other areas without losing their best players.
The left over 5 million can go one of two ways; either get a top-six LW (Reilly Smith?) or replace Rielly with an offensive D-man, preferably RHD (Dante Fabbro?). Or attempt to acquire Jenner on his expiring contract to replace Tavares as a younger, better two-way option.
I would also move on from McMann and use his “value” of 20 goals (but 0 playoff goals) at 1.5 AAV to bring in a wrecking ball like Martin Pospisil. Jack McBain is another excellent candidate to try to bring in as mentioned earlier. Or Mathieu Olivier. Eeli Tolvanen. Kiefer Sherwood. Garnet Hathaway. Any one of these guys would be so much more useful to the Leafs than McMann was in the playoffs. The way I look at it, I’d rather have the forward with 0 playoff goals (even though most of the guys I listed could probably score as much as McMann too) who throws 300 hits a season than McMann who seemed to be invisible most nights when the team could have benefitted from a spark.
Rielly may suck defensively, but he was only -1 and was on for more goals for than any other player on the team. I want him gone more than I want to keep him, but he’s not absent when the playoffs arrive. He’s just not physical. He’s never changing, but god I wish he could just put his body in front of the other team’s players rather than only his stick.
The Leafs scored goals in spite of Rielly, not because of him. His goals were mostly flukes. He has been so horrid in offensive situations, he’s been removed from the PP1 and replaced by a forward. His defensive errors, were as numerous and as obvious as they ever have been. He played the most ice time, he gets paid the most money, he can’t be that bad and expect success. He is a passenger at this point. He can still provide value to a team like Vancouver or Seattle, trying to salvage a wild card spot, but he’s not winning anybody a Cup making 7.5 AAV. Not going to happen.
Don’t take anything I was saying or anything I’m about to say here as advocation – more as suggestions on players.
I think if Bennett is available, the Leafs would be interested and I have no idea about how he’d feel about playing near home.
Gourde – I’d imagine if they want him to stay, he stays. I was more commenting on how he was often heard in rumours with the Leafs and where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire . .
With regards to Marchand – look, Corey Perry is an asset and Marchand is far better and younger. I’d take him in a heartbeat whether he’s a total douchebag on the ice or not. Marchand did grow up a Leaf fan, but I suspect that ship has long since sailed, so I doubt there’s any nostalgic reason for him to want to play here, but the Leafs are still a top-tier team in the league.
I don’t know. I loved the timeliness of Patches’ goals, but I’m not sure if it was mostly luck or not.
I’d say there is no chance Bennett or Marchand are flipping over to the Leafs after having just beat them and on the road to the Cup Final. Win or lose, why would they leave warm weather, zero pressure, a formula that obviously works and way more money in their pocket?
The Leafs had their chance with Corey Perry long ago. The Leafs enjoyed watching him kill the Leafs for the Habs, Lightning and now Oilers. I’d love to add Perry, but again, his team went to the Final and appear capable of doing it again. He’s playing with McDavid sometimes. Why would he give that up? To play in this circus? I doubt it.
I’d take Pacioretty back at 900K but some think he’s going to retire.
The stars of this team arent fine and they are all similar – soft, disappear when it counts and dont hate losing enough. -fake
Errrrr. Wrong again.
Soft, is Nylander. 7 hits total in the playoffs. Marner and Matthews had 31 and 33. And Matthews was doing it injured. Marner blocks shots on the PK. Marner and Matthews each had a GWG. They did not disappear. The Leafs 1st line had 3 GWG vs the Panthers. And I’ll repeat it as many times as I have to before people wake the fuck up and realize the problem was not the Leafs 1st line.
I could see the argument that Matthews doesn’t care enough to win a Cup being a kid from Arizona but Marner definitely cares too much and hates losing. He internalizes the failures to a fault. But that’s no reason to let the guy walk as a free agent. That’d just be retarded.
The cap will rise this year but it probably doesnt go up as high as expected over the next couple of years.
Wrong. It will rise and continue to rise.
As for your Thanksgiving comment, ya if you make over millions you should be taxed 53%, but there are ways around that. Also taxes are being lowered for those in the first two bracket – under $57 000 and under $114. As it should be. I’m perfectly fine with people who make millions paying more taxes.
Wrong again communist.
JT can get more on the open market for sure, but having a quality 2nd line centerman who will transition to 3rd line in a year or so for $4-$5 would great. If the leafs sign a younger 2nd line center than JT could play wing or 3rd line. But if he walks he walks.
Tavares absolutely sucks balls as a 2nd line center. He has always sucked defensively and as he ages, he will score less and defend even worse. You’d have to be on crack to think he could be a 3rd line center on a Cup winning team.
Marner isnt worth over $12.5…..heck he’s barely worth 10.9….but I say that about matthews and Willy as well. All were overpaid too early and continue to be overpaid.
Marner is worth every penny at 10.9 and 12.5 and even 13. Yes, they are overpaid and it’s because they live in a tax hell hole. They’re “overpaid” because their agents negotiate based on what money they take home, not based on their salary cap hit.
And sorry, while with the leafs Hunter’s track record is bad at drafting: Fedor Gordeev, Keaton Middleton, Nicolas Mattinen, Ryan O’Connell, Vladimir Bobylev, Ryan McGregor, Vladislav Kara, and Nikolai Chebykin. Lili was the best of the bunch…I guess timoshov had 45 nhl games.
So his eyes arent that great.
Mark hunter is old news, moving on.Was Mark Hunter in charge of the entire draft without question? No, he wasn’t. There were always conflicting voices in the room that muddies the waters to whom he actually picked and whom dumbass Dubas wanted. Or Shanahan. Or Lou. His work with the London Knights speaks for itself. He always builds a competitive team. London Knights players usually compete for and win Cups when they make the NHL for a reason.
Even if the Leafs refused to go back to Mark Hunter, why not Mike Futa, the guy who drafted the Cup winning Kings? Or any other drafting wizard? It was 12 years ago the Dallas stars hired Jim Nill (a year before the Leafs stupidly hired Shanahan). Most people would have never known who he was. Look at the Dallas Stars today. He built the Red Wings through the draft and he did the same with the Stars. The Leafs need a drafting guru. They haven’t had one in decades. Maybe ever.
OOOOHHH 9/10 years they made it to game 7 in the second round for the first time…oooooohhh and their stars players were nowhere to be found in game 7. -fake
Florida is a bonafide, proven powerhouse. Defending Champs, soon to be Finalists three years in a row. You see what they’re doing to Carolina? Absolute destruction. Carolina will be lucky if they win a game at this pace. Just another piece of evidence this team needs to keep their best players and dispatch the passengers. The Leafs 1st line were not passengers. They scored every single GWG in the series versus the Panthers. But you’ve never been keen on following evidence.
So yes, the Leafs pushing that team to Game 7 (and Game 3 OT could have swung it in our direction too) is indeed impressive and evidence of improvement, albeit incremental and long over due.
The stars of this team cant get it together, this was probably the best version of them. Time for a change.
The stars on the team are fine. It’s the trash bottom-six, old ass defensive liability Tavares and garbage Rielly that need to be changed. If the Leafs dumped Rielly, Jarnkrok and Kampf, they’d have nearly 13 million to spend on better depth players. You could bet confidently with a solid, two-way, shut down 3rd line, this Leafs team, with all their star players intact, will go further in the playoffs.
You simply cannot have $40m locked up in 3 forwards who are very similar. You cant win that way. Its been proven. Time for change.
They actually aren’t similar. Matthews is an elite two-way sniper. Marner is a an elite two-way playmaker who kills penalties. Nylander is a one-dimensional scorer. You want change? Change the garbage players like Tavares and Rielly. The guys on the ice for the most goals against because they absolutely suck defensively. They give up 6 goals trying to score 5. Doesn’t add up.
No, what you can’t do is let your leading point producer (in his prime) walk away from the team for nothing in return. That is a proven way to lose. If you insist on getting rid of one the forwards, Marner stays, Nylander goes. Luckily, that doesn’t have to happen if they play their cards right in other areas.
The cap has never been higher and will continue to rise. If you’re pissy because the Leafs have to pay them so much more, maybe they wouldn’t if they weren’t stuck paying damn near 55% in taxes. Probably soon to be 60%. The Turkeys asked for Thanksgiving, now get familiar with the menu.
Unfortunately, Management screwed this team by trading away all their 1st rounder until 2028…so they cant even do a quick one year retool and get a nice prospect.
They are now stuck with having to try to get into the playoffs….so, let marner walk, move out morgan if you can, If JT will take $5m, sign him for 3 years. Build out the bottom 6, get a winger to play the top line and another quality D.Weren’t you the guy a few poorly written sentences ago repeatedly screaming change like a deranged lunatic? But you want Tavares back? The same Tavares that had ZERO points in 6 out 7 round 2 games and NONE in Game 5, 6 and 7 vs the Panthers? The same Tavares who led the team in even strength goals against?
You’re so blinded by the mirage of a “discount 5 AAV contract” but fail to see that whatever you “save” on Tavares won’t make up for his garbage play away from the puck that lose you a series. The level of discount Tavares would have to take to make up for the disaster he is defensively would have to be in 3 million AAV or less territory because you’d have to shift him to LW and have a REAL two-way center that can actually play defense in the 5+ AAV range just to break even.
So basically, Tavares would have to become Matt Duchene in Dallas at 3 AAV. And even that isn’t all that great because Duchene is on the ice for way more 5v5 goals against than he is for. His PP production keeps him marginally valuable but still negative overall. So even in THAT scenario, it still sucks. So, bye Tavares. Go enjoy Buffalo. I hear it’s a short drive from Oakville.
MArk hunter? LOL, What a joke.
Yes, laugh at probably one of the best damn eyes for Canadian junior hockey talent. It was a mistake to let him go. If you want to build a winner in the NHL, you better understand where to find the gems in the OHL and the CHL. Rare to find somebody better at it than Mark Hunter with the great teams his family has built in London year after year after year. The Leafs need a drafting wizard now more than ever with no 1st round picks and barely any prospects left to speak for. Worst case Ontario, this team gets blown up by idiot media personalities and dumbass fans who scream for the destruction of this team and the Leafs have a guy smart enough to know how to rebuild it through the draft. Best case, he can populate this team with cheap, young, OHL talent that can help this team get over the hump without having to pay through the nose in free agency or trades.
The cap is going up next year, that much is guaranteed. But the rumored increases beyond that were not set in stone, and are almost certainly not going to be as high as originally forecasted. Personally, I don’t want to find the Leafs in a cap-strapped situation like they were during the flat cap Covid era.
Not going to be anywhere near that era. It’ll stay up where they expect it.
And even if it doesn’t, there will be at least a dozen teams maxed out regardless. It’ll be a league problem, not a Leafs problem.
The only way they would ever be able to protect themselves against that situation in the future is to get the players to agree on % based contracts that go up or down depending on revenue.
For example, if a player is making 10% a year on a 100 million max cap, he makes 10 million. If the cap goes up to 110 million, he makes 11 million. If it goes down to 90, he makes 9 million. It would significantly change which players get the max 8 years.
I think that’s the point that everyone is trying to make. Rantanen JUST signed his extension for $12M, so that’s the benchmark. Everybody knew the cap was going up next year, and now there is even more uncertainty regarding the cap rising due to economic factors. So, if anything, Marner should have even less leverage as we might be back in a slow rising cap situation for the next few years.
The cap is going up. That’s not uncertain. It’s already been announced.
12 in Texas is not the same as 12 in Toronto.
There are basic calculators that do the math.
Marner can’t collect his signing bonus in Arizona or Long Island. That’s a big problem here.
I’m not plugged in to the TO media, so I don’t read many direct Marner quotes. So, as far as his desires go, I have no idea. I’m speculating and I think that’s all any of us can do.
I’ve never personally insulted Marner or any of the Core. I’ve leveled some valid criticisms at them, but I’m not invested enough to have strong personal feelings about any of these people. I’d like them to win and try harder (be harder to play against?), but I’m not jumping on the abuse bandwagon. When he’s old, retired, his kids grown, and he’s back home in TO(?), how will he be remembered? What regrets (if any) will he have when he looks in the mirror as a 72-year old man? That’s up to him to decide. If he resigns and stays, I will support him and root for him. If he leaves, then I will forget about him 10 minutes later. Well, maybe a couple days later – we’ll have to discuss it to death first. LOL.
And, like I said in the other blog thread, many folks are discounting just how fucking deep and good the Panthers are.
The Leafs media is a combination of idiots and vultures. They feed off this for views and clicks because that’s all they have left to grasp at. No different than garbage corporate legacy media that basically only the boomers watch. They also own the team so perhaps they think they can bully their way into making Marner do what they think he should do in attempt to win the PR battle so if he does walk away, the team can save itself the embarrassment by trying to make him the bad guy. There are former players like Rick Vaive, who didn’t win shit in Toronto as a Leaf, talking shit in the media. Fans piling on because they are in pain and not smart enough to think for themselves.
The Leafs won the division, won a round (against the hated but tough Senators) and took the defending Champs and seemingly the best team in the NHL to Game 7. Marner directly helped win 2 out of the 3 games they won, one of which was in an elimination game. This year was an obvious improvement. And these morons are acting like they were a draft lottery team and the whole thing needs to be blown to hell.
Fire Shanahan, bring back Mark Hunter.
I can’t wait until this core is broken up and the endless, pointless, and exhausting Marner vs Nylander argument is gone for good.
Can’t wait for the team to get significantly worse?
The Nylander vs. Marner debate occurs because the Leafs created this mess when they signed Tavares.
If they let Tavares walk and trade Rielly, they can change the core without losing their best players for nothing.
Blah blah blah pointless drivel -Cush
More garbage…
Overpaying ANY player for continuing to disappear in critical games is super problematic and the result of a mistake or multiple mistakes being made.
Nylander disappeared in critical games and is a disaster defensively. But your solution is to let the better player walk for nothing and keep the inferior player. Sounds like a plan excellently made for more 1st round exists.
Not taking advantage of an opportunity to try and correct one or more of those mistake because you made the same ones in the past is just plain stupid as fuck.
How dare you use a term like “stupid as fuck”. That’s highly offensive and not on the list of permissible PC vocabulary. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Leafs have an opportunity to try and start the repairs to the damage from these mistakes with Marner and JT.
The “mistake” was Tavares.
They should have started earlier with others (they never should have put themselves in that position either) but that’s in the past and you can’t change it now.
Yes, you could change it now. You could sign the better player and trade Nylander. Since you insist you can’t have both (which is wrong), they could retain Marner and trade Nylander. At least, in that scenario, they don’t lose a 100 point player FOR FUCKING NOTHING and can get assets in return for Nylander, which at this point, might be the biggest yield they could ever get for him.
I hope they will do the difficult but right thing but fear they will do the easy and wrong one.
Again.
They will do what they also do; the dumbest possible thing. And you will love it.
It’s not 100% that he’s gone, but if I was a gambling man, that is where the safe money would be. That Utah mountain air, low taxes, and anonymity is mighty enticing, along with $14m per and finally being “The Man(tm)”. Most signs point to a farewell.
We’re in agreement on replacing his production – they won’t, or at least not with this current crop of UFAs or realistically-available trade targets.
The Leafs are right fucked on this one.
Marner genuinely wants to stay in Toronto. If he didn’t, he’d already be in Carolina, making more money and still in the playoffs. He chose to stay.
Everybody says his family controls his life but they’re going to control him to go away from where they all live? Doesn’t add up.
Marner wants what he deserves, as every single player does even when they lie that they don’t, and he wants to stay with the Leafs.
Matthews is allowed to be overpaid and disappear. Nylander is allowed to be overpaid and disappear. Tavares was allowed to be overpaid disappear as long as he takes a “discount” on his next deal.
But Marner? He’s a weak, soft, crying, greedy bitch.
Overwhelming evidence shows most Leafs fans and media need a lobotomy including Rick Vaive who pretends he’s some kind of Cup winning playoff legend when he talks shit about Marner.
Marner is gone.
That’s not 100%.
It sucks. Love him or hate him, he’s gone.
Worse, the Leafs aren’t getting shit back. Maybe a pick if they do a sign and trade, but that extra year isn’t getting you a treasure haul.
So, instead of debating whether or not he may go, or should he go, or what should we pay him, it might be more productive to start wish-spending all that sexy cap space that is the consolation prize for mismanaging an elite player.
There is nobody out there that will actually want to leave their superior team (Florida UFAs) for less money who will provide better results. People can wish all they want, there isn’t anybody out there. And the people who REALLY want to wish need to start praying for McJesus.
Hey UG maybe you need a snickers?
Maybe you need a clue.
Pointless drivel
Blah blah blah. Waste of time.
So you refused to answer one poster repeatedly who asked a simple question and are doing the same when I ask what other team has a MM type player or even to tell me who Florida’s is. They don’t have one is the answer but you resort to “Willy was terrible in games 5-7” which has zero to do with my question and is nothing more than deflection and denial.
Reinhart. Answered it twice now but perhaps you might not be able to read all that well. Tkachuk, by the way, had 0 goals vs the Leafs. Is he a passenger now? Marner went tit for tat with Reinhart both offensively and defensively. Marner actually went beyond Reinhart because his play directly won his team 2 games. Reinhart didn’t even have one GWG in the series.
Perhaps you haven’t read all of what I wrote today – Nylander was defensively terrible in games just like Marner , nobody is denying that fact & in fact I said it already so why are you now telling me to repeat it and calling me dense? lol
Marner is not terrible defensively, the stats clearly show that.
Side note – yes Marner got 1 point (a pedestrian assist) in games 2-7 inclusive THIS YEAR, Nylander 0 – what a staggering difference.Both sucked and disappeared in games 5-7 THIS YEAR so not sure why you keep harping about it, especially when many including me have acknowledged it multiple times.
Stole the puck, primary assist on the GWG. It’s only pedestrian in your mind because it annihilates your garbage narrative. Marner had a GWG and a primary assist on the Game 6 game winner. Nylander had nothing. Your entire garbage argument is built on the lie that Marner disappears in elimination games, but when he showed up and Nylander did not, it some how doesn’t count or matter because Nylander’s hair is moist or something stupid.
It’s pointless to even try to have a balanced, rationale discussion with you because you make shit up, move goal posts, set your feet and stomp and cry when facts are presented to you.
It’s indeed pointless because you’re very bad with dealing with reality.
You may want to tone down the personal attacks, not sure what Mike’s stance is on all of what you have thrown out there today but it’s a bit much and childish to be honest.
You got back what you dished out. Don’t bitch about it now.
