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1 even strength point in 4 games against Colorado (a real team) missing the best D in the world for 2 games. Carter Hart was MVP of that series and stole the first 2 games even though some knob gobbler said Hart would be the reason Vegas does not win the cup. Carry on.
Your dumbass was wrong. Again. It took you a lot of terrible sentences but in the end that’s what your garbage post amounts to; you were wrong again.
Marner leads the playoffs in scoring. He scores at 5v5, he scores on the PP and he scores shorthanded. Speaking of shorthanded (like your IQ), pretty sure Colorado had 0 PP goals vs Vegas. Makar did play in 2 games and Marner helped shut down that PP. Of course, your retarded ass won’t give him credit for it because you’re still coping with the fact that the Leafs absolutely fucked up again and are now one of the worst teams in the NHL without Marner.
Hart has played better than he has all year. Good for him. But Colorado could barely generate shots making his life a lot easier. Blackwood stood on his head and Vegas would have blown them out had he not made some amazing saves. Colorado had 21 shots in an elimination game. Vegas’ defense, which Marner is a key part of, sometimes leading the entire team in ice time (yes, even more than the D), just strangled them into being able to generate nothing.
Colorado looked like the Leafs and Vegas looked like Boston and Marner proved to your dumbass, again, that he wasn’t the problem.
Don’t know if they can beat Carolina because they’re a very strong team, playing a very tough style but if Marner can lead the playoffs in scoring into the Cup Final, it’s proven more than enough that the Leafs were the problem, not him.
Cope harder dumbass bitch.
Celebrini was not considered one of the high end #1 picks.
“Six NHL scouts and executives were polled”
granted not a big sample, but gives an idearanked after Jack hughes
I think he would rank #2 now after Mcdavid
The idiots they polled must have worked for the Leafs and had no clue idea what they were talking about. It’s no surprise the New York Times is full of bullshit polls though.
Celebrini had 32 goals and 64 points and +25 in his draft year in the NCAA.
McKenna had 15 goals and 51 points and -7 in his draft year in the NCAA.
Celebrini was always legit. He also plays C. McKenna isn’t at that level.
The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
If the Leafs gather 10-12 pieces including top prospects, young roster players and 1st round picks, they don’t need their own 1st round picks. Yes, obviously it would be nice to be able to tank and have your own pick but the Leafs can tank for themselves in 2029 and 2030. Yes, Boston and Philadelphia benefit from that but Treliving is a retard and there’s nothing the Leafs can do to change it now. Waiting another 2 years of being a Wild Card team only delays the inevitable and doesn’t win you the Cup either.
The Leafs can’t rely on Woll or Stolarz to be healthy because they’ve never proven to be healthy. It’s always something with them. They’re either hurt or playing like shit. Either way, that’s not solid ground for a contender. The Leafs fighting for 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking is a waste of time. It’s either Stanley Cup or rebuild. There is no middle anymore.
The Leafs defense are dinosaurs. The roster is one of the oldest in the NHL. Injuries are to be expected. They’re old, slow and high risk for injury. Reality is, all the Leafs defense should be the bottom pairing on a contender. These guys are valuable pieces at the trade deadline but as a unit, they don’t work together.
The UFA market yields nobody that moves the needle. UFAs are always overpaid and signed for too long. Two things the Leafs can’t afford to add to the mess. The trade market doesn’t help because Chayka sucks balls at winning trades and the Leafs have nothing to trade to acquire the pieces they need (which aren’t available either) to turn the team round. The only trades the Leafs should be making are to acquire bad contracts like Adin Hill to add more 1st round picks.
The only argument to not trade Matthews and Nylander before the season is to play them long enough to have them increase their value to make the return bigger. But by the trade deadline, they absolutely have to be traded and the team has to be blown apart.
Marner played in Toronto for 10 years. The team never advanced past the second round. He disappeared in big games, or elimination games. Is it all his fault? No, there’s lots of blame to go around. Toronto is a real inhospitable place to play, if you’re not successful. Marner often played scared. Not just from the opposition, but the press core. It was time for the Leafs to move on from him. It should have happened the year they could still trade him, before his no movement clause kicked in. It’s obvious that he had resentment for the press and many in the fanbase. It was a no win situation for him, with all of the pressure of the massive fanbase and accompanying media. Toronto isn’t a place to play for the faint of heart. You can be lionized as a conquering hero when you’re winning. If you aren’t able to win because of a mental block, see Larry Murphy, etc, you can fall from grace quickly. Marner gave the impression that he couldn’t take the pressure. In Vegas, he can walk down the street and no one would recognize him. In Toronto, they hijack your car. It’s part of the curse, to play in Toronto. Some players thrived in that environment. Marner could not, long term. He had to go, and thanks to his previous contract wrangling the fans never forgave him. Good luck to him in Vegas.
Wrong.
Marner was always the #1 point producer in the playoffs in Toronto. More than Matthews. More than Nylander. More than Tavares. He scored big goals and big assists in high pressure elimination games for the London Knights, for Team Canada and now for Vegas. The outlier, the disaster of a franchise is Toronto, not Marner.
When Tavares was signed, retard fans debated how many Cups he would win by time his contract expired. Reality is, he showed up and ruined the team with his insane contract and defensive ineptitude. Marner, year one away from the Leafs, already has taken his team to the Cup Final and leads the playoffs in scoring. The Leafs had 3 offensive core players and instead of adding that money to the defense, they thought they could win every playoff game 5-4. They were wrong. But when they were wrong, they blamed Marner despite being the only reason Tavares and Matthews scored 40-50-60 goals. When he’s not playing with them, those guys drop off offensively, Matthews having one of his worst years ever as soon as Marner wasn’t there feeding him.
The “pressure” in Toronto exists because the market always needs a scapegoat. Heaven forbid they should blame the people actually responsible; management. They blamed Marner through the media (that owns the team) and the retard fans bought that narrative hook, line and sinker. They beLeafed it. They cheered it. And now, to this day, they won’t believe their lying eyes, creating every excuse in the book why it’s still Marner’s fault or why he’s getting lucky somewhere else.
The problem was never Marner. The problem was always a weak ass team built around him. In Vegas, he has a defense that can defend. Depth players that hit and defend. Core players that play two-way hockey, even when they aren’t scoring goals. Eichel and Hertl had 1 goal between them for most of the playoffs. But unlike guys like Nylander and Tavares, they played defense. They kept the games within reach. Vegas didn’t even have goaltending most of the season despite allowing very few shots. Carter Hart has been making the saves he needs to make but the team is holding a team like Colorado to 21 shots in an elimination game.
So many idiots, a lot of them on here, thought Torts was going to destroy Marner. Hiring Torts was the best thing Vegas could have ever done. The Leafs had half a dozen chances to hire Torts and always refused. Torts’ players love him. They run through walls for him. The Leafs hired coaches that did the opposite. Coaches that had the wrong game plan and the wrong motivational tactics.
Line by line, point by point, the reason why the Leafs did not succeed with Marner is because they refused to acknowledge what the real problems with the team were and it wasn’t Marner.
Bo would have been playing 3b if they re-sign him and not Okamoto, or maybe some 2b?
doesnt matter. Even Okamoto with his questioned defense when he signed has looked really good and has a much better dwar at 3b than Bo.in no universe would having Bo right now have improved the Jays in the W column.
So far a colossal disaster of a signing for the Mets
Nobody said to not sign Okamoto. The decision was never one or the other. To build is to retain + add more. The Jays have had a lot of players play all over the line-up because they have guys like Clement that can play pretty much anywhere, even off the bench or LF if you needed him to.
Clement has played 55 games at 2B, Sosa 28 games at 2B, Pinango has played in 26 games, Schneider 38 games, Straw 46 games, Jimenez 12 games at DH…
In the universe where Bo gets back to his usual self, yes, he would be playing better in TO and the Jays would be better. Same could be said with the addition of Tucker. Over the full 162 game season, the odds are that Bo + Tucker are better than their replacements. Their career stats prove it.
It hasn’t worked in New York but what he was doing in Toronto worked both for him and the team. It was expensive but Rogers has money, that shouldn’t have mattered. The Jays saving 80 million won’t win them the World Series. The team they had last year was minor improvements away from winning a World Series. Now, they look lucky if they make it as a Wild Card team. If your argument is that it’s still early in the season and the Jays can turn it around, so can Bo and Tucker so that point is worthless.
not signing Bo and Tucker (100 mil)
Kyle Tucker since last July 1st
450 PA, .235/.348/.373, 9 HR, 9 SBInstead signing Okamoto and Sanchez (22 mil)
so far the better moves.So far, not going back to the World Series.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. As long as they have star caliber players, they’ll always retool and not tear it down. With no first rounders of their own, for two years, why bother tearing it down. It should be acquire assets and build the farm system. They didn’t bring Chyka in to not win. He’s there for a more modern look on how the NHL works. The Leafs have been running back retreads and not looking forward. If the Leafs do get David Carle, as Coach, there will be a changing of the guard. A deep retool with other teams prospects works too. They still need to field a competitive team so UFA’s would allow them to move players like Rielly and Nylander and still be relatively competitive. We can’t allow our next two first rounders to rebuild our opponents. We can’t have Boston with another top 5 from us and Philly should be kept out of the top 10 as well.
Wrong. They had “star” players and are drafting 1st overall. Bad defense, bad goaltending and a tough division can crumble this team quickly.
Why bother tear it down? Because Matthews can walk like Marner did leaving the Leafs with dick on a stick for a huge asset. Yes, they don’t have a 1st round pick but if they blow it up correctly, that won’t matter, they’ll have so many 1st round picks they can draft the entire team in the 1st round in 2 years. Then tank in the 3rd + 4th year and be ready to compete in the 5th year.
They brought in Chayka because he’s the only idiot who said he would try to retool. Chayka’s track record is horrible in trades. So he can try but he will fail and then the Leafs will be forced into a rebuild.
If the Leafs hire Carle as an NHL coach, they’re risking he comes in as a rookie and blows it. When was the last time a coach in his 30s from the NCAA turned a team into a contender overnight?
Still to play a real team this year.
Swept the best team in the NHL.
Mitch Marner is the leading scorer in the playoffs and is in the Stanley Cup Final.
Just proving how hard the Leafs fucked up again.
The free agent market is marginal. There is Darren Radyysh, a right shooting UFA defenseman and Alex Tuch at right wing, also a UFA. Costly, but doable. Moving Nylander for picks and or prospects would alleviate the Cap issue, if you wanted to add one of the two top UFA’s. The Leafs have to look at it like this: Rogers will not tolerate a full tear down. Give it a year and if Matthews wants out, accommodate him. It could happen by the trade deadline. There’ll be opportunities, when free agency opens, if a team is afraid of losing a highly sought RFA via offer sheet, they may need to find some cap space to accommodate the player, see Leo Karlsson in Anaheim. Use your cap space to grab a Mason McTavish in exchange for a lesser asset, since Cap is going to mean a lot to those type of teams. Asset management is the key to the Leafs returning to respectability.
Tuch and Raddysh would be retards to sign with the Leafs. They both are on contenders and had career years. Unless the Leafs grossly overpay them, there is no reason for them to join a garbage team for equal or less money.
Rogers can and will tolerate a rebuild. The tickets will still be sold even if the team was monkeys throwing their own shit at each other.
The only players the Leafs should be acquiring are guys like Adin Hill. Terrible contract with a 1st round pick.
You have to play the game. If Vancouver, that has a hard on for him, want him, the price is #3 and either another 1st or a top prospect that was probably a 1st last year. In Vancouver, they have tickets to sell and they want to sell the sizzle. Same thing for Calgary. I still think San Jose passes over Stenberg for a defenseman and Stenberg falls to #3. Calgary is a different story, but they have a lot of young talent in the pipeline and you can still draft one of the big 3 defensemen.
At the end of the draft, the reality is, the Leafs still won’t have a generational talent to build the team around whether they draft 1st or trade down. They won’t have a guy who steps into the NHL right away and turns them into a contender again either. They had a zoom meeting with Matthews today, which I thought was a fucking joke. If you’re serious about meeting Matthews, either fly him in or go see him in Arizona. But these meetings need to start being the discussions of where Matthews wants to play next because they need to blow this team up.
The UFA market is terrible. The Leafs have no assets to upgrade through trade either. Hopefully by January, Matthews is playing well individually but the team is doing poorly and everybody involved decides it’s time to trade him and blow up the whole team.
