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MArner wasnt staying…even at a ridiculous $14m.
Apparently he had spoke to players in vegas about vegas earlier in the year.He wasnt staying at all and spending $14m on him…just like $10.9…isnt worth it. HE DISAPPEARS IN PLAYOFF GAMES 5-7.
So move on.
If a person wants to whine about leafs not keeping marner…whine about how marner who apparently was ready to move on, screwed the leafs out of Rantanan.Just like most other bullshit news you believe, you’ll always be a fucking sucker for media lies, especially when they’re owned by the team.
I said its not likely, thats not “NEVER”, a modern NHL’er having 3, 60 goal seasons is super rare…so its not likely.
Marner was gone regardless, just listen to his own words now that hes in Vegas.
get over it, hes a big boy made his choice.Marner couldnt take the criticism when he failed to help the team, not cut out for it in Toronto.
It’s more likely than not had they kept Marner that he’d be more productive and more successful.
He made his choice after the Leafs fucked around and found out. His words at some bullshit press conference are irrelevant. Players don’t say anything other than whatever bullshit they’re trained to say to be bland and neutral.
The criticism isn’t what made him leave, as unfounded and irrational as it was. This dogshit management and embarrassment of a media owned franchise is at fault.
I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards
has a selke nominated 100 point player ever changed teams before?
I doubt thats ever happened to start with, so not possible to win a cupif it has happened, who was it?
otherwise what a stupid questionI haven’t gone through every single player but no, probably has not happened. It’s a perfectly good, valid question. It’s the type of question this management is clearly too stupid to ask itself to realize how dumb they are for allowing it happen.
its not likley Matthews would score 60 again whether Marner was there or not.
Matthews is the only player to do it twice in the last 30 years and anyone who did it 3 times, played in the 80sOvechkin only did it once.
Marner did not want to re-sign, and wouldnt let the Leafs trade him (his right), but still fucking annoying if he was leaving anyway.
no point crying over it. hes goneIf healthy and with Marner, there’s a very good chance Matthews could score 60+ again. That’s why they re-signed him. You think you keep a player at that price if you think he’s NEVER going to be able to do it again?
Marner would have stayed at 14, which was a discount to the 12 he got in Vegas which would have been 16.5 in Toronto. And they should have signed him.
The cap went up 7 AAV. Trade Rielly, Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. and they could have created more cap space. With Tavares and Marner at 4 and 14, it still would have been less than the nearly 22 they cost last year.
The Leafs decided they had to move on because of the idiots in the media and the idiots in the fanbase screaming for change. Now they got change; they got worse.
So I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
The ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
You’re forgetting the 60-75+ assists Marner brings. Matthews is more likely to be worse without Marner, don’t see him getting anywhere near 60-70 again. Knies too. The PP will suffer, which means Nylander and Tavares suffer too, which already sucked because of horrid coaching.
I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards? We’re not talking about a team that has been a proven winner and is losing somebody lower in the line-up. We’re talking about a team that lost it’s #1 point producer and can’t even get out of the 2nd round and just got worse while their #1 competitor is as good, potentially better when they get to the next trade deadline.
Nic Roy is a 3rd line winger. He’s not a replacement like Tkachuk was for Huberdeau. This team has not yet and probably never will recover from losing such a high prized asset for next to nothing.
Mangiapane, gone to Edmonton for 3.6 AAV after his worst season. Dodged another bullet. But still would have been better than Maccelli.
You know an interesting thing . . . has anyone seen any of the Leafs players post farewells to Marner? Knies reposted the Leafs PR release. Usually teammates post emotional farewells to their friends and I haven’t seen anyone say anything about it.
I’m not saying they wanted it to happen or that they’re happy it did – but it doesn’t feel like anyone is all that devastated that he left. I find that a little strange. I don’t think he was a problem in the room – but maybe some of that yelling he was doing at the team while he was also flailing and failing was just wearing a little too thin.
This is a cope.
Nazeeeeeem!
In true Leafs fashion, run a guy out of town at his best and his cheapest for a pile of shit in return, then bring him back after he’s won a Cup somewhere else and is washed and overpaid.
I don’t hate that. I would keep McMann over domi though
I still think that team probably loses to Florida but it has a better chance than what we’re currently looking at which is pretty bad.
McMann was mostly useless in the playoffs. I think they could cash in on his higher value now and bring in somebody more impactful like Jenner or McBain. Domi is a very good playoff agitator and producer who makes a difference when it matters. Good playmaker option for Matthews too.
I forgot patches is still available. I would take him back on the cheap again. I liked his game.
Out: Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves, Robertson, McMann
In: Jenner, McBain, OleksiakKnies | Matthews | Domi
Tavares | Jenner | Nylander
Maccelli | McBain | Roy
Lorentz | Laughton | Pacioretty
PezzettaOEL | Tanev
McCabe | Burns
Oleksiak | Carlo
BenoitWoll | Stolarz
Surprised leafs passed on holmberg at 2 years 1.55
There’s a lot of players the Leafs passed on in that price range (1.5-2.5) that are better than Holmberg.
Eller, Sturm, Lafferty for a 6th, Faksa, Perry…
Leafs could have had a totally different bottom-6 with all the “savings”, they were going to sign all these fantastic UFAs…
Instead, we still got guys like Kampf, Jarnkrok, McMann, Robertson, Pezzetta…
AW: Nikky Bobby is an RFA. They could just not qualify him I guess?
He was one short of twice as many goals as Maccelli. He’s going to arbitration if they don’t trade him.
After two top prospects left NA to go back to Europe and Holmberg was not qualified, Robertson is one of very, very few players the Leafs have under 25 that they drafted who can play in the NHL.
Maybe Tree did …maybe he offered him more?
Not a big loss. Lorentz does similar stuff for half the price.
Exactly. Tanev is only valuable to the Leafs if he’s playing for dirt cheap.
The real question is, how did the Leafs not make a bigger push to sign Corey Perry? They need his playoff mentality. Even at that 3.5 AAV, which they can afford on a 1 year deal, he’s worth to have around.
Tanev joins utah
Tanev to Utah …3 x 2.5m
How could tre not match that?
Because it’s not 2.5 in Toronto. It’s closer to 2.8/2.9 AAV for the Leafs to match 2.5 in Utah.
Dodged a bullet, he’d be overpaid at that price.
Jezuz ….this is looking like a good summer to sit the fuck out.
How many of these guys are going to get bought out ..or traded to Chicago next summer!
I’d toss the 11M in spending on anyone willing to take a 1 yr deal.
Dvorak got overpaid for 1 year in Philadelphia. There’s going to be a few teams reaching for the floor who will throw extra money and take contracts to fill space.
