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Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Closer by committee is retarded. They need an elite closer, end of story.
They can have every leverage setup they want but the final out of Game 7 in the World Series calls for an elite closer and the Jays don’t have one yet. Even the Dodgers, who won, realized that having to use Yamamoto on 0 days rest was not something they wanted to do again. That’s the team they have to beat.
Marner has more assists tonight than the Leafs got goals.
That Hildebeast became Hildebust really fast eh?
Project Rebuild 2028.
Yes of course, because it is the norm for teams to hit on all 7 and have them all turn out to be top 6 forwards and top 4 D.
Which is why it’s imperative the Leafs continue to acquire more 1st round picks for Tanev, OEL, McCabe, Tavares, Carlo and all the other players over 25 as they tear it down and rebuild.
Also, can’t forget lottery picks in the 2028 and 2029 draft. At least one of those should be a franchise player.
That’s as many as 14 pieces to rebuild with in the next 4 years. Even if only half of them hit, the Leafs would be on solid rebuilt ground.
Once the Leafs goaltending situation gets back to healthy, they should be able to deal Stolarz for a 1st+. The Leafs need to get some draft capital back and trading Stolarz makes sense, knowing that Woll and Hildeby are solid, younger goaltenders. They should also look to acquire Dumba off of the waiver wire and move a defenseman later, once the D Core is back to full strength.
I would trade Stolarz but he’s worth nothing right now. Goalies are generally worth very little unless they are proven elite and Stolarz is a proven back-up with injury problems and now has a pretty fat contract for a guy who can’t play a full season.
Dumba is garbage. Another failed dumbass Dubas project.
Would you take that deal for 34?
Rossi, Ohgren, Buium and 1st
I wouldn’t take that exact deal for Matthews because I’m not a big fan of those prospects however, the idea of four 1st round picks is very exciting. So, if the draft capital coming back to the Leafs is a young roster player, an elite prospect and two 1st round picks, maybe more because Matthews is the best goal scorer of this generation not named Ovechkin, that would be a great haul. Add to that what Nylander could fetch (again, at least one elite prospect, a 1st and a young roster player wouldn’t be out of the question) and that would be a fantastic boost to a rebuild of which I am already a big fan of.
Matthews + Nylander = two young roster players, two elite prospects and three 1st round picks.
If you play those cards right, you could end up with a rebuilt top-six (adding Knies and Cowan to that equation) and a rebuilt top-four (adding Danford to that equation) and they would all be under 25 and cost you very little cap space for the next 5 years.
I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
jfc, ranty mcangry is now flooding my Jays thread. great
The Jays 100% needed a starter, its not just about 1 season. Cease is projected to be their best Starter but a decent margin.
its December, calm the fuck down. There is a ton of time between now and September.Oh it’s YOUR thread. LOL.
It’s nice they added a strong starter but it wasn’t a priority. I would have preferred a lefty because the Jays rotation doesn’t have one and that’s probably going to become a problem but Cease is a great pitcher. But looking at their run, the starting pitching wasn’t the #1 priority. I don’t have a problem with signing Cease but I do have a problem with it if the Jays spend big money on something that is not their #1 priority while their best options for their #1 priority fall off the board. They probably should have signed an elite closer first and Cease 2nd. Or 3rd, after retaining the key pieces that got them to the dance in the first place.
Diaz, Williams, Suarez, Helsley, Pagan and Finnegan, all off the board. Who can the Jays say is an elite closer still available to sign that they can plug into the 9th inning of a World Series game, with a lead, and confidently say, this game is over? Remember, the goal is to get somebody BETTER than Hoffman and it looks like most of those guys if not all of them are already gone and one of them went to the Dodgers, who already beat the Jays without a closer. Imagine now.
They need to trade Berrios ASAP, get an elite closer, a LHP starter, find a way to convince Bassit and Scherzer to run it back as role players and lock in Bo (or effectively replace him). This is like all the years the Leafs did fuck all on July 1st and hearing people say “it’s still only July 12th” and then watching them fall off a cliff.
Moneyball? Nobody’s been more aggressive than the Jays so far and they’re far from done. They’re plenty of good relievers left and paying Diaz that kind of money would make getting Bo and/or Tucker that much more difficult. Unlike the last couple of years, they’re actually the favourites to get the big guns. Even the Dodgers have limits on their spending. They’re apparently interested in Tucker but not willing to go more than 3 years. Advantage Jays.
Some of these signings are going to take a while and outcomes are far from certain. But the Jays have made good moves so far and are likely to make more.
The Jays don’t need relievers. They need an elite, guaranteed closer. Those are two, very different things. At least two have signed and they weren’t with the Jays. One of them was with the Dodgers. They already beat the Jays without a closer. Advantage, still Dodgers.
The Dodgers don’t need Tucker. They could run back the same team and still win the World Series. The Jays still haven’t secured the players that got them to the big stage. That’s a problem.
The Jays should be investing at least 80-100 million in their roster. Yes, they got another RHP starter. Great, but they didn’t need Cease. They had good starting pitching. The problem was the bullpen. Where is the LHP? Where is the closer? Where is the extension for Bo? The cost of an elite closer should not matter. It was literally the difference between winning and not winning a World Series and their #1 priority.
lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
Pot meet kettle. You’re wrong, as usual putz. And I am very often correct, much more than you that is for certain. The only thing you do correctly is suck off the government dick.
The Jays have a great opportunity to go back to the World Series. The Jays need to address the closing position and the best options have started to disappear to their direct competition. So what if they’re expensive to sign? There should be no more pinching pennies. The Dodgers aren’t going to avoid spending money. Moneyball is not the game to play now.
That’s not to say they can’t pull something off but their options are dwindling by the day. They need to continue to be aggressive.
Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
Not really though.
