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FlyerFrank
ParticipantSmallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
Exactly. How many teams damaged themselves trying to force the next Erik Karlsson into their lineup?
FlyerFrank
ParticipantI noticed Grebenkin hasn’t been mentioned in the rookie articles (players to watch; candidates to make the roster). I was thinking he might have a chance, especially if Foerster isn’t quite ready. Bump may have the inside track as a “preferred”(???) candidate by the front office, but Grebenkin does have the pro experience in the AHL. Thoughts?
They’re probably all going to get games. The Flyers have 2-3 slots up for grabs plus you have injuries. Dorwart, Barkey, Kaplan, Luchanko, Grevenkin, Bump. My biggest concern up front is they still aren’t deep at center. They swapped out three guys who could play the middle in Frost, Laughton and Poehling and only brought two back. They need another guy.
FlyerFrank
Participantyou really are dumb as a fucking stump. have a good weekend.
Hahahaha! Yes, if it doesn’t look like Luchanko will crack your Top 6 and be a point per game player this year, send him back to the OHL! The Flyers needs at center be damned! Everything about hockey seems to stump you.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantGee I don’t know. Nothing comes to mind. N0 need to worry about offense and as long doesn’t get his brains beat out, all good. Sounds like a great development plan.
There isn’t a need to worry about your 4C scoring when you have 5 20 goal scorers in your top 9. This is not complicated. Maybe the Flyers should go out and get an elite, highly skilled, difference making fourth line center.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantIs 8 to 12 minutes a night with Hathaway on one wing and a rotation that would include DesLauriers on the other wing conducive to developing an offensive game? Now granted, he may not play on the 4th line all season (if he makes the team), but how much confidence will the Flyers have moving a kid up in the lineup if he doesn’t produce (offensively or defensively), and what does a lack of success at the top level (even when considering a minor role) do to the player’s confidence? And if he doesn’t produce, what options do they have other than to hope he eventually works things out or outright benching him?
Being better than abols means jack shit. He should go back to juniors to work on his offensive game. Stop thinking short term. Agin playing 4th line with 2 slugs will not help him develop an offensive game. Of which I already have doubts about at the nhl level.
Why the focus on scoring? He wouldn’t need to score in a depth role. Just don’t get your brains beat out at 5X5. If he can’t avoid that, then yes, back to the OHL. Guelph named a new captain so JL’s return there seems less likely now. Doesn’t change that the Flyers need another center. The advantage with JL is, once he wins a forward spot, the Flyers have a spot well filled for a few years. Yeah, JL will move up the lineup. The group of Couturier, Zegras, Cates and Dvorak won’t each play all 82 games. That’s kind of the point. The Flyers have 4 proven NHL centers. That’s it! That’s the best argument for giving JL a legit shot.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantAmazes me people want to fast track this kid. He needs to play above and beyond others to get a 10-game look. Anything else back to juniors.
Who is saying he doesn’t need to win a job? He’s competing with Rodrigo Abols for a bottom 6 center slot. You can make something so simple complicated in your own mind, but that’s the competition. The Flyers have 2-3 slots open up front. Center, for sure and 1-2 wing spots. Luchanko is a center. If he’s better than Abols, he should get the job.
FlyerFrank
Participantwhat makes peeps think the jett is too good for juniors? not like he lit it up and was the top scorer or what not. what has he done to warrant this narrative.
The team he plays on is bad. That’s part of the issue. There’s some thinking that he won’t benefit from another year in Guelph. My feeling is, if he beats out the other guys competing for roster spots, he should be with the Flyers. Here are some other guys who were very young when they became NHL regulars and how they did that first year. Not sure how considering this is a problem.
COUTURIER 12/07/92 10-1-2011 18 Y 10 M 0.35
PATRICK 09/19/98 10-1-2017 19 Y 1 M 0.41
LUCHANKO 08/21/06 19 Y 2 M
ZEGRAS 03/20/01 10-1-2020 19 Y 7 M 0.81
LINDROS 02/28/73 10-1-1992 19 Y 8 M 1.23
MICHKOV 12/09/04 10-1-2024 19 Y 10 M 0.79
RICHARDS 02/11/85 10-1-2005 20 Y 8 M 0.43
GIROUX 01/12/88 1-1-2009 21 Y 0.64FlyerFrank
ParticipantThis just in: Flyers acquire another center to push Luchanko down the depth chart.
FlyerFrank
Participantjust more facts. you really are a complete dope. go flyers. go jett. how did the 05/06 end in catastrophe?
They were crushed by the Sabres. They looked awful losing in six. Forsberg and Esche each singlehandly won them a game. They finished with the worst record in the league the next year.
FlyerFrank
Participanthelp the team to get where exactly? how much “help” will he bring playing on the 4th line with 2 slugs who cant keep up with him?
richards also had a much better/higher pedigree than the jett. not even close really. 4 years of juniors. came off a very good ahl cup run. over a ppg. bad comparison to me.
Hahahaha! None of that pedigree nonsense matters. I know you think it does, but it doesn’t. Just more cliches. Was Richards the best guy for that role that season? Things worked out well long term but that 05-06 season ended in catastrophe. Is Luchanko the best guy for that role this season? You claim no but you don’t know. That’s what camp and pre-season is for. That’s what a potential 8 game in season look is for.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantThe flyers will be a bad team no matter who is the 4th line center. They are going nowhere.
Why would you want to put your building block cornerstone center who has been hyped up in a position to fail on the 4th line. Need long term view.
Mike Richards started with the Flyers as the 4th line center. Of course, he was more than 1 year older than JL is now. I’m not saying it will work, just that if it helps the team, try it.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantGo get another cheap 1 year option.
They might do that too. But Luchanko might be better in the role than either Abols or a cheap one year option. If he is, give him the shot.
FlyerFrank
ParticipantHelp me understand why you would want the jett on the 4th line with ND and GH? What would that accomplish long term?
Help me understand why you think Abols is a better option. The Flyers still aren’t deep at center. They do have four good ones, but might just move one to wing to make their Top 9 better. Even if they don’t do that, those four guys aren’t all going to play 82 games. They need another guy there unless you’re the president of the Rodrigo Abols fan club.
FlyerFrank
Participantif the flyers need the jett, then the season is already lost.
As a 4C? Hahahahaha!
FlyerFrank
ParticipantMaybe, hopefully. By blow the doors off everyone I mean he needs to show that he is one of the best players on the ice, because he will be playing mostly against other players trying to make the rosters. He cant just be good, he has to be great in comparison, because once the real NHL players start ramping up, it will change rapidly. Just like it did last year.
I’m rooting for him for sure.
We will see. I’m absolutely rooting for him. The Flyers still aren’t deep down the middle. They have 4 proven NHL centers and may need to flip one to wing to get the most talent into the Top 9. They need another guy there. Not an Abols fan. Michkov turned 20 two months into last season. Luchanko turned 19 last month. I recognize it could be a reach, but if he can do it, the Flyers need him.
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