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HOLY JESUS FUCK!!!!!!
Leafs won the draft lottery!!!!!!!!
Hope they pick Laine – or at least think about it. Jesus, this place!
Neither Bo n’or tucker are worth the money.
See ya later and good riddance.So if Bo doesn’t hit that home run in Game 7, the Jays have no chance to win that game. Losing him and not replacing him makes the Jays worse.
But then, to make it worse, Tucker, who is even better than Bo, joins the team that is already better than the Jays and stole away the guy pegged to replace Bo’s bat.
Not only did the Jays get worse, the Dodgers got significantly better when they were already the better team that won the World Series just like when they signed and elite closer and the Jays did not.
“Worth the money” means doing whatever it takes to beat the Dodgers and the Jays “overpaying” would have been worth the money to remain competitive. What happened today makes the Jays significantly less competitive to win the World Series. They could still be a great team, still go back to the World Series but the Dodgers would still beat them in the end.
Winning the World Series is “worth the money”. This is as retarded as Jays fans thinking they didn’t need Ohtani. They obviously did and still do.
Jays are a better team than when they started last season. Gausman, Cease, Bieber, Yesavage, Ponce is a significant upgrade over Gausman, Scherzer, Bassitt, Berrios and Francis. Bullpen is much better.
Jays were ranked 22nd going into last season. They upgraded during the season. They’re top 5 now and they’ll upgrade during this season. They need a bat and potentially a closer depending on how bullpen plays out until the deadline.
With Tucker Dodgers are on a different level but paying $60M with opt outs after years 2 and 3 makes no sense for the Blue Jays. He’s not worth anything close to that (Judge is $40, Soto is $51). They need someone who’s going to be around for a while.
Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
right on Santander and Berrios, you clear space but you pay just as much for a team to take them.
the Mets 50m offer really doesnt mean a lot unless you know the details, deferrals and opt outs.Would I want the Jays to go 10 years on Tucker? yes, I dont care. I just want to see them win a WS
Rogers seems to have made a business decision that turning Jays into a powerhouse makes sense. I’ve read that they plan to merge Jays with MLSE and then sell off some minority positions in the new entity. 2025 Blue Jays willing generate much more value from those sales than 2024 Jays. Management believes long term Tucker helps with that.
I dont know that you could get anything at the moment for Santander or Berrios, and there is no point trading Hoffman and creating another hole you need to fill.
SS Xander Bogaerts signed for 11 years and 280m, and that hasnt worked out great.
I just think now that they signed Okamoto, Bo is a tougher fit than TuckerYou don’t have to “get” anything for them, you just have to clear their salary for prospects and picks and spend the money on better players.
Hoffman needs to be replaced regardless. He’s not good enough. I’d rather replace him now, you would rather replace him later. Either way, he can’t be the closer anymore. He already cost us one World Series, they should not put him in a situation to cost us another.
Bo looks closer to signing with Philadelphia which means an offer to Tucker is around 40-50 million per year to compete with the offer that the Mets gave him.
By clearing 35 million in salary, the Jays can be more competitive with making that offer. Or, they can solidify the team in other ways.
Framber Valdez is still out there to be signed. Even Nestor Cortes as a distant Plan B now that Ranger Suarez has gone to the BoSox, would be good to add along with bringing back either Scherzer or Bassitt as insurance for Yesavage if he has rookie troubles. I’d rather spend 35 million on a starting LHP (or pitching depth) than on Santander and Berrios if they can’t reel in Tucker or re-sign Bo.
Imagine this rotation:
Cease, Valdez, Gausman, Bieber and Yesavage with Scherzer or Bassitt alternating with Yesavage or as the 6th man and bullpen.
Ponce, Rogers, Lauer, Fluharty, Varland and Hoffman also in the bullpen plus adding a real closer (maybe you can find a way to get one for Santander and/or Berrios).
Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
Kyle Sucker
Cody SmellingerHard pass
Run it back baby!
Would rather see them win
Pass on tucker if he wants $418 over 11.
Sign Bo 5years – $150m
Sign Bellinger 5 years – $150m
Grab another relieverHe may want that kind of $ but there’s a lot of talk that his market isn’t as strong as was assumed. My guess is that both Tucker and Bo have indicated that they’ll check back in with the Jays before signing anything. I’m not sure that the team has a specific budget right now but will have to go to Rogers if they get something with one or both lined up. I’m sure the bean counters have a pretty good idea of what having a contending means both for team and media revenues. Also, a lot of $ (and talent come off the books next year. Not a bad idea to collect new talent when the team is attractive to FAs.
Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Closer by committee is retarded. They need an elite closer, end of story.
They can have every leverage setup they want but the final out of Game 7 in the World Series calls for an elite closer and the Jays don’t have one yet. Even the Dodgers, who won, realized that having to use Yamamoto on 0 days rest was not something they wanted to do again. That’s the team they have to beat.
yeah, it’s not end of story. Having an elite closer is obviously better if there are no other considerations. But there are other considerations, like having a budget. At the start of the offseason, Jays needed to address pitching – starting and relievers – and add at least one bat. Going into next season with the same lineup except no Bo was not an option.
Adding Diaz $69M along with Cease and others might have priced them out of Tucker/Bo. He was never really an option. They were in on Suarez but were outbid. I’d rather have Rogers and go with using your top leverage guys based on best matchups than lose out on adding a serious bat or two.
I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Rogers and Lee
You know who walked a lot of batters last year? Jays relievers. You know who doesn’t walk guys? Rogers and Lee.
Trade bait:
Loperfido
Schneider
Straw
Lukes
Santander
Berrios
Little
Bruihl
NanceSantander won’t bring much. I’d rather see if he can turn things around. The other OF’ers probably depend on whether they sign someone (Tucker/Belinger). If they get Tucker, they could move Lukes. If not I’d like to keep a leftie bat.
I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Great interview with Ponce. Talks about what a God Ryu is in Korea. His story of the game where he beat Ryu’s strikeout record is very cool. Would love to see this guy succeed here.
And yes, I’m enjoying my pensions, RIFs and paid off house in a beautiful location. You’re right, it’s a very tasty mouthful mouthful.
lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
Pot meet kettle. You’re wrong, as usual putz. And I am very often correct, much more than you that is for certain. The only thing you do correctly is suck off the government dick.
The Jays have a great opportunity to go back to the World Series. The Jays need to address the closing position and the best options have started to disappear to their direct competition. So what if they’re expensive to sign? There should be no more pinching pennies. The Dodgers aren’t going to avoid spending money. Moneyball is not the game to play now.
That’s not to say they can’t pull something off but their options are dwindling by the day. They need to continue to be aggressive.
Moneyball? Nobody’s been more aggressive than the Jays so far and they’re far from done. They’re plenty of good relievers left and paying Diaz that kind of money would make getting Bo and/or Tucker that much more difficult. Unlike the last couple of years, they’re actually the favourites to get the big guns. Even the Dodgers have limits on their spending. They’re apparently interested in Tucker but not willing to go more than 3 years. Advantage Jays.
Some of these signings are going to take a while and outcomes are far from certain. But the Jays have made good moves so far and are likely to make more.
Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
Not really though.
lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
Jays doing fuck all to address the closer situation. Probably should get on that before all the best options are gone.
Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
