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Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
99% huh? McLeod texted all the players in London asking if they wanted to come up to his room to join a 3-way. Most stayed away. A few came up but didn’t participate. 5 did. I think your math is a bit off.
There are two sets of decisions, one in court and one by the league and teams.
The judge’s decision came down to her conclusion that EM was not drunk enough or afraid enough to invalidate her consent. The actions of the players was not in question.
The league and teams will decide simply on the basis of their behaviour. Do they believe that behaviour reflects the “highest standards of morality, honesty, fair play and sportsmanship and is not detrimental to the best interests of the team, league and professional hockey” as required in player contracts. I don’t think it’s obvious that Gary says yes. The fact that they’re fairly marginal players shouldn’t matter but probably will. The PA will appeal and who knows how long it might get drawn out. If they are allowed to play will any team sign them?
Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
They pose no risk or headache as they have acted perfectly fine since the accusations were levied. Teams would be stupid to avoid quality hockey players for what would amount to a few days of whining from a bunch of cult minded losers on BlueSky.
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod, Formenton and Foote and save a lot of cap space too. They’re not guilty and should be allowed to move forward with their lives after years of wrongful persecution and lost opportunity.
Even if deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, it gives them an opportunity to become ambassadors to teach people how not to make the same mistakes.
Maybe it’ll play out that way. I’m not arguing one way or the other. I just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as to say not guilty means they’re back. Teams will make their own decisions
Nope, it’s a simple business decision. Players sign contracts committing “to conduct themselves on and off the rink to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interests of the league, their team and hockey in general.” If teams decide that their behaviour (which was never questioned) hurts their brand, they’re gone.
Nope, it’s very simple. They’re not guilty. And they’ve done nothing while under contract that they are guilty for. They’ve been prosecuted unjustly by both the government and the idiots among the cult mob of social justice warriors. They were 18 year olds who acted immaturely. They’ll be the last ones to ever do anything like that ever again. They can be given a second chance because the business is playing hockey and they’re still good at it.
Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
least surprising thing iv read today
Least surprising thing is actually a bunch of woke social justice idiots who believe these guys are guilty until proven innocent and then follow that up with guilty even when proven not guilty.
People deserve second chances especially when they’re found not guilty. That’s the purpose of the justice system, even one that absolutely loves to let professional criminals back out on the streets to perpetually reoffend. These guys will never do anything even remotely like this ever again and don’t deserve to lose their ability to continue to play hockey.
Nope, it’s a simple business decision. Players sign contracts committing “to conduct themselves on and off the rink to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interests of the league, their team and hockey in general.” If teams decide that their behaviour (which was never questioned) hurts their brand, they’re gone.
Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
Ek saying that it was glitch in the system that got everyone banned.
It was posters from all teams that were banned.Just weird he never replied to anyone who tried to contact him about it.[/quote]
No way it was all glitchiness.
I did like the Reaves signing but as the game went on, I see that he wasn’t what I thought the player he’d be/was.
Let’s see what Berube can do with Thrun who’s not small. That Leafs D are big men.Think he makes the team or do they risk sending him down? At his age I’d like seeing him get time on the marlies to see if he fits their structure with regular ice time. If he does resign the RFA, if not let him walk.
I doubt they’re that worried about losing him.
I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.
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I was reading an article that he could come out of nowhere to be a solid defender.
Similar to how Benoit has evolved with the Leafs. I’m not saying he’s here to replace Benoit but his trajectory with the Leafs will be similar..That would be nice. At this point he looks like a guy who’ll compete with Myers and Mermis as a potential call up if someone gets hurt and who costs a bit less than Reeves to play with the Marlies
Still waiting for a realistic explanation of how they fix the tax issue. You going to change 32 team’s cap hit each year based on federal, state/provincial and municipal tax changes?
There’s two very simple solutions.
One is to allow teams to go over the cap by 10% with a dollar for dollar luxury tax that goes directly into the revenue sharing pool. Perhaps only allow teams to use the luxury tax for 2 or 3 years in a row so the same teams don’t always abuse it year after year similar to how teams can’t win too many lottery picks in row anymore.
The second is to use “dollars taken home by the players” as the new cap. If a contract is signed and the taxes change, that contract is grandfathered from the day it was signed.
Owners are not going to agree to a luxury tax. Hard cap is much better for them and it doesn’t sound like it was ever really a factor in negotiating latest CBA. Besides, it’s not a solution to the issue of teams in low tax jurisdictions having an advantage.
Trying to calculate an accurate “dollars taken home” for every player in the league is nit realistic. For starters they’re not paying taxes based on their overall AAV. Their base salaries and signing bonus amounts change every year as do tax rates, exemptions, write offs, etc.
Treliving is going to destroy this team the same way he left Calgary in shambles.
Start preparing your draft rankings for 2028 (if the Leafs don’t trade that pick too) because the next rebuild is around the corner. This team is just starting to circle the drain.
Are you back from purgatory? Wife must have leashed you, but gave you a hero cookie to behave, while she lay on her sofa and you rubbed her feet.
Anyway, I figure the Leafs have a 2 year window to get the job done. After that, it’ll be a retooling time. If they can’t get assets for Matthews and or Nylander, once they hit their 30’s, it’ll be a fire sale to recoup young assets, something like Boston is currently doing. The only outlier is if McDavid hits free agency and they flip either Matthews or Nylander to free up cap space and build around McDavid. I give that about a 5% chance of happening. The stupidity of the league to not broach the taxation issues, in the new Collective bargaining agreement was a major faux pa. The League is too fixated at trying to make the southern cities acceptable for hockey. They’ll do an expansion and allow the two deep south entrants to get competitive quickly and screw teams like Buffalo and Columbus that can’t get or keep good young players. Bettman and his owner buddies are ruining this great sport.
Still waiting for a realistic explanation of how they fix the tax issue. You going to change 32 team’s cap hit each year based on federal, state/provincial and municipal tax changes?
Finally saw someone post about this question I asked a while ago.
Marner is worth about 5-6 standings points roughly. career high 7.5, if you believe in Standing points measurements (like WAR)Matthews was way down last season (even with MM on the team)
AM having a bounce back season would make up most of that gap, alonethe response I expect is, AM will never get close to 60-70 goals without MM… and thats dumb.
I dont think he would score 60 again even with MM on the team, no player has 3, 60 goal seasons anymore
in the 50s I see that happeningWith a few more tweaks and maybe a nice tdl addition, the Leafs are no worse off come playoff time..imo
They need more than a tweak or two. They need another legit top 6 guy. Later in summer or TDL is fine.
Leafs ship Reaves to Sharks, acquire Thrun
nice ????
Like – none of us know Thrun from a hole in the wall, I don’t think – but he has represented the US in the U17, U18, U20 (WJC) and the World Championship. He’s 6’2 / 190, so maybe a little sleight of build, but at 24 he’s better than just getting a contract dump which is what I would have expected.
He’ll be a Marlie but won’t cost the $200K that sits on Leaf’s cap when they sent Reaves down
in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
New contracts. You can’t redo existing contracts
Something else that’s important is culture. Boston’s culture led to guys taking less to remain competitive. You’re seeing that in Florida now. You saw it in Tampa as well. Maybe Tavares’ latest contract can start something here, but I think as long as Matthews continues to seek ego-satisfying numbers, nothing will change here.
What’s sickening is the NHL under Bettman doesn’t address this issue. They want a salary cap, but still give teams in the south an advantage. Knowing how much that the Leafs contribute in revenue sharing, it’s a slap in the face to the fanbase who gives money to franchises that continues to have an advantage, thanks to the tax issues. Bettman is a clown and needs to go!
Address it how? What taxes do you use, state, federal, municipal, sales? Do you adjust each team’s cap to create after tax cap rates? There’s no way the league is going to move to a system with the cap rate of all 32 teams are going to change every year.
