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i don’t know much about Lewikie but I’ve heard he’s a take no excuses winner so i’m excited to see who he and mlse bring in as president because i know he has full autonomy 👍
Tim Leiweke?
He brought in Shanahan.
And hasn’t been in charge since 2015.
yes he is cause you like to pylon poop on him and others Leafs players and is cheaper than Kampf. 👍🏾👊🏾 -dmnted
Every single season there are dozens of 4th liners available. Most of them, cost peanuts. The Leafs refuse to sign these players when they are at their cheapest and dive dick first into overpaying for them at the deadline.
And they do it, every, single, year. To the point where they effectively have traded every single 1st round pick for 10 years. A decade. Gone, in trades.
Boy, are you in for more disappointment than AA. -whip
I don’t get disappointed by the Leafs anymore. I already expect they’re going to fail miserably.
This is exactly what happens when you don’t have a balanced team and are spending a huge chunk of your cap on a 4 players: you have to overpay for complimentary players, in the hopes that you can inject some scoring into the bottom half of your lineup because your expensive guys can’t elevate their game in the playoffs.
Incorrect.
This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.
If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.
Laughton is a pylon. And the Leafs paid for the career high of 18 goals, 43 points price for him.
Rielly can and will be traded if the Leafs management actually put their mind to it.
Rielly not being traded isn’t because he can’t be moved, it’s because the Leafs have decided they believe he’s worth keeping.
I like Cowan. He’s easily their top prospect. And he should be pretty close to untouchable unless some kind of insane offer is presented.
All that being said, he’s small for the NHL and his offense won’t keep him in the NHL at the beginning. He wasn’t exactly like a 120+ point phenom this year or last year. His playoff performances were impressive but he was also playing on absolutely stacked teams.
He should probably spend the whole year getting his lower body as strong as possible and time in the AHL learning how to be a good pro.
Chances are, this idiot team will burn a year of his ELC and play him 20 games like they did with Fraser Minten then trade him at the deadline for a 4th line LW.
The entire hockey world says Marner is walking, for free.
Organizational failure of epic proportions. Management disaster.
Tree is part of that. Yes he only had a few weeks to make a tough decision on the core. But he ultimately walked the team to where they are now. No one has ever had the stones to make a tough decision in this era. Now? Best of luck to Tree and the management. They’re going to need it. I’m not super optimistic Tree can make chicken salad out of this. He got completely schooled at the deadline. Look at what Florida did, and what he did. His record does not give me a ton of be-leaf. -fifty
“The stones to make the tough decision” is currently to keep Marner, let Tavares walk and get Rielly to waive his NMC.
There is no way this team is better next year by losing a 100 point player and keeping the defensive garbage that is Tavares and Rielly. Whatever the Toronto screaming mob is saying, doing the complete opposite is usually the best course of action.
There seems to be a consensus that Morgan Rielly is the DNA that needs to be moved. Treliving needs to look at a West Coast team, cut a deal, then present the trade proposal to Rielly to drop his no movement clause. Vancouver seems logical, since it’s home and he might consider it. Maybe a second rounder coming back and the rights to Brock Boeser. Leafs can offer an 8 year for Boeser if he chooses to sign here. -Prince
Why the fuck would you ever want to sign Boeser to an 8 year deal when he was a 50 point, -25 player last year? A 1 year deal. Okay. Try it out. 8 years for that garbage? The fuck are you thinking? You would literally be trading Rielly’s contract to immediately replace it with another terrible contract. Just a bad, bad idea.
LeBrun reported that Rielly is not waiving his no trade. These guys like LeBrun just don’t say stuff for $hits and giggles. They do have reputations. -fifty
LeBrun is irrelevant. Every player that has been given a NMC and waived it disagrees. If management tells him, they do not want him anymore, he will come up with a short list of teams he prefers. Even if it’s only 2 or 3 teams, it’s still more than 0. Rielly won’t waive for any team, but he will waive for a few specific teams. And they need to get him to waive it as soon as possible. He should be gone before the draft.
Forget Burns, go for Aaron Ekblad. Weaken your divisional opponent and upgrade at RD. Rielly is the fly in the butter dish. He really needs to be gone.
I think pretty much everybody agrees, Rielly has to go. I’d be fine with Tyler Myers and Teddy Blueger from Vancouver for Rielly. I think it makes sense for both sides. Would also accept Oleksiak + either John Hayden or Tye Kartye from Seattle.
Ekblad scored 3 goals and 33 points. Burns had 6 goals and 29 points.
A) Ekblad would be stupid to leave the Panthers. Bennett, Ekblad, Marchand; they’d stay exactly where they are and run it back over and over again until it doesn’t work anymore if they knew what was good for them. Why wouldn’t they? The only reason they wouldn’t is to be grossly overpaid. And that’s what it would take to get any one of them to join the Leafs. And what can the Leafs absolutely not afford to do? Overpay guys enough to make them jump ship…like the mistake we made with Tavares…and it didn’t work when we did it with previous UFAs who were 30+ either.
B) Burns could potentially give the Leafs a depth bargain being able to play as a RHD and as a RW if required. He’s 40, he’s from Barrie and never won a Cup. Maybe he does the old “last stop in Toronto before I retire” tour. In terms of value, I’d take that over signing a guy to a 7 year, 9-10 million dollar deal who has a long history of concussions.
I’d even take Burns for as high as 2-3 million if it meant he plays the PP and if you traded Rielly to Seattle for Oleksiak who is a LHD. So, alternatively, you could have…
OEL / Tanev
Oleksiak / Burns
McCabe / Carlo
BenoitThat’s 3 pairs of LD/RD that could each easily play 20 minutes each. Evenly share the load situationally. Would be a dream come true for Berube defensively.
C) I’m fully aware Burns could easily get one last, bigger money deal somewhere else. But if he’s one of those guys who grew up wanting to play for the Leafs, this is an excellent opportunity to get a “Corey Perry” type bargain with way less risk involved. If you overpay Ekblad for 3 goals and 33 points, imagine how that contract looks in the future. We’d have another Rielly situation all over again.
I don’t see the cap value in overpaying long term to sign Ekblad at soon to be 30-37, even if he did want to leave a proven winner, fantastic weather, lower taxes and zero pressure.
Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Bennett Marchand
Lorentz Laughton Holmberg
-gravyfaceKnies @ 7×3 | Matthews | Marner @ 13.16×8
R. Smith @ 4.25×3 | Jenner @ 3.75×1 | Nylander
Domi | McBain @ 3.5×3 | B. Tanev @ 1.75×2 (or Corey Perry)
Laughton | Blueger @ 1.8×1 | Lorentz @ 1×1
Comtois @ 850 (or Pacioretty if he doesn’t retire)OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Burns @ 2×1* | Carlo
Benoit*(if he doesn’t retire, hometown guy because he’s from Barrie. Could be the ultimate utility player as both a 7th D and a 13th forward.)
There’s actually a long list of horrible options. Marner is by far the best of all the options and if your goal is to win a Cup, they must resign Marner.
Let’s go one by one through what would be top-six forwards and give you the reasons why the majority on this list are either garbage, not better or won’t sign with the Leafs.
For starters, Boeser is horrid. -25 player who deserves his -25. He was a 50 point player last year, only made the playoffs twice in his career. This guy is like a less athletic, Value Village Kessel.
Ehlers, not leaving Winnipeg, soft as baby shit, not a playoff performer, not a 100 point, Selke nominee, PKer. Most of his playoff runs ended with 0 goals. This guy is Value Village Nylander.
Tavares. Is. Garbage. 7 years of his prime, he can’t skate, he can’t defend and he didn’t score in 6 out of 7 games against the Panthers. This guy was the definition of bad DNA. Show him the door.
Duchene. Value Village Tavares. Horrid defensively, can’t score 5v5. Basically a PP weapon who can’t play in any other situation. Cheap but ineffective.
Nelson, very good size, good player but probably not leaving Colorado, has no reason to play in Toronto (from Minnesota) unless you massively overpay him. And he’s 33. Not going to be a “prime years” contract. Usually a 50 point player most of his career. 0 playoff goals in 7 games for Colorado this year. ZERO.
Bennett and Marchand are not leaving better weather, better taxes, better team, proven winner and less pressure to deal with the BS that is Toronto. They’d both be complete idiots to sign with the Leafs. Also, didn’t Leafs fans hate them 10 minutes ago? You really want to overpay these guys into their mid to late 30s after they got that much mileage? That’s like buying a Mercedes at a used car lot with 200K KM on it. Looks great, sounds great but get ready to pay the double what it’s worth just for an oil change.
Giroux, not leaving Ottawa, hasn’t been a 100 point player in 7 years. Basically another 50 point guy on the wrong side of 37. Hasn’t been a playoff performer since 2012.
Palmieri, off the market. Also, 34 anyway…
Drouin has 1 playoff goal in his last 20 playoff games and he had the benefit of playing with MacKinnon. If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll stay in Colorado and continue being a passenger over there.
Suter, is better than Malgin, I’ll give him that but still, 2 playoff goals in 13 career playoff games? Don’t see this guy moving the needle that much
Granlund, good player but 32, why would he leave all his Finnish buddies in Dallas after going so deep this year?
Benn is washed, from BC, no reason to come to the Leafs. Probably just stays in Dallas for 1 year, 1 million dollar deals.
Kuzmenko, one year wonder, completely unreliable.
Donato, from Boston, why would he don’t see why he wouldn’t go back to Chicago / Boston unless you overpaid him. 0 playoff goals in 19 playoff games.
Roslovic, from Ohio, don’t see why he’d leave Carolina or come to Toronto unless you overpaid him. 3 career playoff goals in 45 games. Already have enough Jarnkroks and Kampfs. Don’t need another.
Mangiapane, 5’10”, 14 goals, 28 points. This guy can’t replace Marner except if it’s in a police line-up for the height and weight. If he takes a super cheap contract, he’s worth a shot but probably not a legit top-six threat in the playoffs as his career playoff numbers are unimpressive. 7 playoff goals, 14 points in 37 games.
The only two top-six forwards you listed that make sense are Smith and Kane. And you don’t need to lose Marner to get them.
Smith is a two-way, Cup winner, solid LW who can score some goals in the playoffs. But he’s not a 100 point player. You replace Tavares with Smith, not Marner.
Same goes for Kane at 36-37 years old. 10 years ago, he could replace Marner, but he’s a one-way, injury prone player now. He hasn’t had a good playoff run since 2015. Literally a decade ago since he had a playoff run with more than just 1 or 2 goals. That’s a complimentary player, not a guy who you can expect to replace a 100 point, two-way player 27-35, much less win a Cup with. You sign Kane the same way the Oilers signed Perry; 1 million dollar, 1 year deal to occasionally play on the top line and on the PP. You add Perry to the mix, you don’t replace Draisaitl with him.
The only way out is Marner resigned under $13M, Nylander traded. Rielly moved. That way the assets stay in line and the return for Nylander and Rielly are other NHL players and picks. Another top 4 RHD so OEL can play his natural Left side. Tavares to the 3rd line on the cheap and another centre with tenacity on line 2. Toews on PTO?. McMann and Robertson need a new home. Bye to Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves & Holmberg. We have 5 good Defensemen and 2 Good Goaltenders. A very good top line. Work it out and remake this roster with grit and hustle. -Prince
Just like anything else, it’s not the “only” way out to trade Nylander. Yes, they’re better off keeping Marner but that doesn’t mean it comes at the cost of Nylander.
Tavares is garbage on any line. His offense does not help you win more playoff games than his defense loses. He can not play a 3rd line, which should be designed to shutdown the opponents.
This is ideal scenario. I am definitely prefer to have Marner over Nylander, but since they have no assets for trades, they need money, as match as possible,
to bring decent pieces to fill the holes in the roster. -alex.TMLI wouldn’t call that the ideal scenario. The Leafs currently have 3 elite offensive weapons that are usually among the league leaders in goals, assists and points. They need to keep those 3 players.
What they need is to give those players more help at the cost of getting rid of the older, shittier players who don’t help enough.
That means Tavares, Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, McMann, Robertson…these are the players that need to go away.
The players that need to come in should be complimentary. Knies, compliments Matthews and Marner well. That line was equal to the Barkov line. We did not lose because of Marner, Matthews and Knies. In fact, those 3 guys scored the GWGs in the 3 games they won against the Panthers. If the goal is to beat the Panthers, why the fuck would anybody even dream of getting rid of the guys who were directly responsible for winning those games? It’s a fools logic to blame a player for not winning even more games than they did when there are 10 other guys who contributed nothing at all.
Nylander’s line, however, sucked. Nylander can’t play defense. At all. But neither can Tavares or McMann. This is where you keep the guy with 45 goals and give him a two-way 2nd line center and a hardnosed LW to balance out Nylander’s weaknesses. In that scenario, you win the match-ups instead of hoping you win the offensive battle of a 6-5 game.
When the Leafs first signed Tavares, it made the most sense to trade Nylander. 7 years later, it now makes more sense to get rid of Tavares. It’s just the nature of how players age. The Leafs can afford to have one defensively irresponsible player like Nylander but they can’t afford to have another in Tavares too, no matter how “discounted” he may seem.
Same goes for Rielly. The Leafs need a situationally offensive D, especially for the PP. But they can’t have Rielly at 7.5, who doesn’t play the PP at all and is a nightmare defensively. Would rather have two guys at 4 AAV each, one LHD and one RHD. One for the PP and the other for the PK.
Knies | Matthews | Marner
R. Smith | Jenner | Nylander
Domi | McBain | B. Tanev
Laughton | Blueger | Lorentz
Comtois (or Pacioretty if he doesn’t retire)OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Dumoulin | Carlo
Burns (if he doesn’t retire, maybe a 1 year deal if he’s a hometown guy because he’s from Barrie)Woll | Stolarz
That’s the more ideal scenario.
Why did you stop there?
All the bottom 6 guys:
Frederic Gourde Armia Bjugstad Tanev
Jeannot Kuraly Eller Kunin +Just roll with…
Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares(5m) NylanderThen…
Laughton stays
Robertson and Holmberg RFA ?
Jarnkrok ?
Trade Kant
Let Lorentz take league minimum 13 FWBjugstad as 4C
Tanev, Frederic, Armia, Jeannot, Kunin- any 2I am ok with signing Kane to a 1 year deal, in order to have money available for 2026 UFA crop -sir
Because signing a bunch of 4th liners is irrelevant with that piss poor top-six. That team barely makes the playoffs and loses in the 1st round.
Saving money for a 2026 UFA miracle is a long shot. Overpaying for UFAs (Tavares) backfired once before. Doing it again would be silly.
Marner Boeser Ehlers JT Duchene Nelson
Bennett Giroux Marchand Palmieri Drouin
Suter Granlund Benn Kuzmenko Smith Donato Roslovic Mangiapane Gourde Kane Frederic Jeannot Kuraly Armia Brown Raddysh Beauvillier Saad Skinner Cousins Bjugstad Gaudette Tanev Eller KuninLots of good options
Pack your 💩 #16There’s actually a long list of horrible options. Marner is by far the best of all the options and if your goal is to win a Cup, they must resign Marner.
Let’s go one by one through what would be top-six forwards and give you the reasons why the majority on this list are either garbage, not better or won’t sign with the Leafs.
For starters, Boeser is horrid. -25 player who deserves his -25. He was a 50 point player last year, only made the playoffs twice in his career. This guy is like a less athletic, Value Village Kessel.
Ehlers, not leaving Winnipeg, soft as baby shit, not a playoff performer, not a 100 point, Selke nominee, PKer. Most of his playoff runs ended with 0 goals. This guy is Value Village Nylander.
Tavares. Is. Garbage. 7 years of his prime, he can’t skate, he can’t defend and he didn’t score in 6 out of 7 games against the Panthers. This guy was the definition of bad DNA. Show him the door.
Duchene. Value Village Tavares. Horrid defensively, can’t score 5v5. Basically a PP weapon who can’t play in any other situation. Cheap but ineffective.
Nelson, very good size, good player but probably not leaving Colorado, has no reason to play in Toronto (from Minnesota) unless you massively overpay him. And he’s 33. Not going to be a “prime years” contract. Usually a 50 point player most of his career. 0 playoff goals in 7 games for Colorado this year. ZERO.
Bennett and Marchand are not leaving better weather, better taxes, better team, proven winner and less pressure to deal with the BS that is Toronto. They’d both be complete idiots to sign with the Leafs. Also, didn’t Leafs fans hate them 10 minutes ago? You really want to overpay these guys into their mid to late 30s after they got that much mileage? That’s like buying a Mercedes at a used car lot with 200K KM on it. Looks great, sounds great but get ready to pay the double what it’s worth just for an oil change.
Giroux, not leaving Ottawa, hasn’t been a 100 point player in 7 years. Basically another 50 point guy on the wrong side of 37. Hasn’t been a playoff performer since 2012.
Palmieri, off the market. Also, 34 anyway…
Drouin has 1 playoff goal in his last 20 playoff games and he had the benefit of playing with MacKinnon. If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll stay in Colorado and continue being a passenger over there.
Suter, is better than Malgin, I’ll give him that but still, 2 playoff goals in 13 career playoff games? Don’t see this guy moving the needle that much
Granlund, good player but 32, why would he leave all his Finnish buddies in Dallas after going so deep this year?
Benn is washed, from BC, no reason to come to the Leafs. Probably just stays in Dallas for 1 year, 1 million dollar deals.
Kuzmenko, one year wonder, completely unreliable.
Donato, from Boston, why would he don’t see why he wouldn’t go back to Chicago / Boston unless you overpaid him. 0 playoff goals in 19 playoff games.
Roslovic, from Ohio, don’t see why he’d leave Carolina or come to Toronto unless you overpaid him. 3 career playoff goals in 45 games. Already have enough Jarnkroks and Kampfs. Don’t need another.
Mangiapane, 5’10”, 14 goals, 28 points. This guy can’t replace Marner except if it’s in a police line-up for the height and weight. If he takes a super cheap contract, he’s worth a shot but probably not a legit top-six threat in the playoffs as his career playoff numbers are unimpressive. 7 playoff goals, 14 points in 37 games.
The only two top-six forwards you listed that make sense are Smith and Kane. And you don’t need to lose Marner to get them.
Smith is a two-way, Cup winner, solid LW who can score some goals in the playoffs. But he’s not a 100 point player. You replace Tavares with Smith, not Marner.
Same goes for Kane at 36-37 years old. 10 years ago, he could replace Marner, but he’s a one-way, injury prone player now. He hasn’t had a good playoff run since 2015. Literally a decade ago since he had a playoff run with more than just 1 or 2 goals. That’s a complimentary player, not a guy who you can expect to replace a 100 point, two-way player 27-35, much less win a Cup with. You sign Kane the same way the Oilers signed Perry; 1 million dollar, 1 year deal to occasionally play on the top line and on the PP. You add Perry to the mix, you don’t replace Draisaitl with him.
Wrong. This is why you I’ve zero credibility with your page after page of arguing just to argue – You have no clue what you watch. Sure you have a load of opinions but they are never actually smart hockey takes cause you’ve never played and don’t get it. You regurgitate things others post on line.
Tue actual play you spoke about from Mitchy… The Panthers dman made a poor pass to his partner (puck was a tick ahead and rolled off toe – puck went off boards right to Marner who turned with it and shoveled a 2ft pass (through nobody or anything…like any player can do). Matthews went in and scored.
Marner ‘stole’ the puck and made a ‘great’ pass. More uneducated (hockey wise) bullshit from this clown. -BigIQof23
Congrats, you played junior C hockey and all you got for your trouble was CTE.
Sign Corry Perry for 3 year deal, they guy getting younger and younger. -alex
Leafs were too stupid to sign Perry. That boat sailed a long time ago. He deserves a Cup in Edmonton.
Who cares what Brad says to the press. Sounds like things are cold with MM and warm with MK ….Tavares is a we’ll see. Change the DNA tells me that he wants to change the core …change the soul.
I think he wants to do the right thing …lets see if he can. -law
Change the DNA is get rid of Rielly, the stripped captain and most of the bottom-six.
Don’t want take anything from Leafs, but Florida did not show up for the first 2 games, especially Bobrobsky. -alex
But you are literally taking it away from the Leafs to say Florida and Bob didn’t show up. Maybe the Leafs did enough to stop Florida from playing their game. They won 3 games, which is more than any other opponent could say up to this point. The Leafs did get outplayed for a lot of the series, of that there is no doubt, but they still won 3 games. You can’t take that away from them. And it’s a sign that the good pieces of this team should not be thrown away. They just have to zero in on who the problem was (Rielly, Tavares and the bottom-six) and replace them.
LOL, Marner made one 4ft pass in game six but was otherwise invisible, and homers acting like he put the team on his back and carried them to the win. I don’t know why I even bother responding to some folks. -whipper
This is just hater shit at this point. He stole the puck, made a great pass and helped set up Matthews, who did next to nothing the rest of the series too. He helped win 2 out of the 3 games the Leafs won. He killed penalties. He helped keep the Panthers top line in check. He did more than Nylander and Tavares in Game 5, 6 and 7. Tavares did fucking nothing in 6 out of 7 games but he’s not getting run out of town because he’s supposedly going to continue being a defensive nightmare and a loser, but as long as he does it for less money, he’s still a God. Don’t bother responding is right.
