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  • #31993
    Assman22
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    Besides when i think about Arty and KK playing together, it’s actually the responsibility of one of the forwards to recognize that the defenseman activated and cover for them.

    Not exactly. One of them has to stay back and both their games thrive when they’re the one that “activates”. Not only do they not make sense even one iota as a pairing but they’d also dwarf each other’s development. Arty might be best served learning at the NHL level and have vets whip him into shape while KK needs to stay in Rockford and develop this season before he turns into Adam Boqvist 2.0

    #32007
    Assman22
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    I agree with a lot of what you say but i wouldn’t give up a Rinzel or Arty, maybe an Allan or Kaiser I’m selfish that way. It’s so hard to get players with the ability and size and position of those 2.

    Id rather take my chances on the plethora of forwards in the system. Just because the Ducks are bad at negotiating in no way we should do them any favors.[/quote]

    Offer Crevier and a draft pick for McTavish’s rights then keep Grizz for 7th d-man. The plethora of forwards you speak of are still mostly in juniors/college. McTavish is already a solid NHLer paying for a boner of a franchise. Also brings some sandpaper that this 23-man roster lacks especially the forwards group.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by Assman22.
    #32107
    Angotti
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    I agree with a lot of what you say but i wouldn’t give up a Rinzel or Arty, maybe an Allan or Kaiser I’m selfish that way. It’s so hard to get players with the ability and size and position of those 2.

    Id rather take my chances on the plethora of forwards in the system. Just because the Ducks are bad at negotiating in no way we should do them any favors.

    Offer Crevier and a draft pick for McTavish’s rights then keep Grizz for 7th d-man. The plethora of forwards you speak of are still mostly in juniors/college. McTavish is already a solid NHLer paying for a boner of a franchise. Also brings some sandpaper that this 23-man roster lacks especially the forwards group.[/quote]

    I would not offer Artie or Rinzel, and Crevier and a pick won’t do it. It’s going to take a combination of Reichel, Allan, Kaiser, KK, and a high pick, along with Dickinson with 50% retained, and Verbeek could still say no.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by Angotti.
    #32178
    Angotti
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    #32341
    Assman22
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    [/quote]I would not offer Artie or Rinzel, and Crevier and a pick won’t do it. It’s going to take a combination of Reichel, Allan, Kaiser, KK, and a high pick, along with Dickinson with 50% retained, and Verbeek could still say no.[/quote]
    I think Verbeek may still have nightmares after re-signing former 1st round pick Zegras two years ago after back-to-back solid 60+ pt seasons then regressed exponentially. McTavish is also a 1st round pick and was from the previous regime. CapWages has his expected AAV to be around $6.7 million. Verbeek had re-signed Zegras in 2023-24 season for $5.7 million.
    They just traded Zegras for a 4th liner and two draft picks (2nd and 4th). Ducks look solid with their forwards but their defense is sus. Two vets (one being dumbass Gudas) and 5 rookies and we all know how Q feels about young inexperienced d-men. Murph only played for Q for 1+ season but could see if he’s interested in reuniting as part of a deal. Sure Verbeek would re-sign him as well with all that cap space and Q’s fascination for vet d-men. Murph’s done in Chicago by the TDL regardless so keep Grizz as the vet d-man in this scenario. Hell, give hem Murph and Crevier.

    #32342
    Mr Ricochet
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    If you haven’t noticed there has been a spam attack on the main Chicago Blackhawks forum page. There are literally pages and pages full of bogus topics. I mentioned it to Frenchy in the comments section of his blog this morning. Hopefully, he can contact site administration and get things fixed.

    As these spam forum topics are generated, our General Comments forum could get lost down the pages and make it difficult to find. When new comments are posted here it will go back to the top of page 1, but it eventually will fall down the list. Maybe when you visit here you can bookmark this comments page (currently we’re on page 19) to bring it up more quickly the next time, instead of “leafing” through the pages looking for this forum.

    nice job giving Frenchy a heads up…….. And you’re right that spam bot is AI and has the ability to mess things up and as you say, in a big way.. For our USHL message board I was told unless I get good software that is constantly updated we’d be vulnerable. So I did and coughed the 400 bucks. Then you need a tech guy to come in and fix things a few times a yr and do the updates. Cost me 100 bucks every time this dude visited and he felt sorry for me and worked dirt cheap.

    The place is still wonky. Sometimes the spell check works sometimes not. Same with posts, there are times it doesn’t take and that sucks out loud. That means there are bugs in the software and that means calling the tech guy/webmaster and dig into your wallet. … If not the funk gets worse.

    Point is it takes time and money to run a place. I hope the managers of this site know this cuz obviously thru ignorance or malfeasance this joint is under attack. Guys like Meltzer have to know this…… I like the joint but I’m here for Frenchy. I came up spades clicking this link you posted cuz a blogger who scouted the USHL and juniors and cut up film is a dream for me to read. I think Frenchy is gonna end up behind a paywall somewhere so I’m gonna enjoy him while I can.

    Lotta the good bloggers from HB are here. This place has a lotta potential.

    #32344
    Metalhead
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    According to Friedman yesterday, Verbeek is not even listening to the calls coming in for McTavish.
    If he ever does listen to calls, it’s gonna take a lot more than a basketful of leftover “stuff” that any fan of
    the team making the offer would be willing to get rid of.

    It’s gonna require giving up something that Hawks fans (or fans of any other interested team) do not want to lose.

    #32576

    According to Friedman yesterday, Verbeek is not even listening to the calls coming in for McTavish.
    If he ever does listen to calls, it’s gonna take a lot more than a basketful of leftover “stuff” that any fan of
    the team making the offer would be willing to get rid of.

    It’s gonna require giving up something that Hawks fans (or fans of any other interested team) do not want to lose.

    Killjoy.

    #32588
    BetweenTheDots
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    Besides when i think about Arty and KK playing together, it’s actually the responsibility of one of the forwards to recognize that the defenseman activated and cover for them.

    Not exactly. One of them has to stay back and both their games thrive when they’re the one that “activates”. Not only do they not make sense even one iota as a pairing but they’d also dwarf each other’s development. Arty might be best served learning at the NHL level and have vets whip him into shape while KK needs to stay in Rockford and develop this season before he turns into Adam Boqvist 2.0

    Just gotta say why would either one activate if one they didn’t have the puck or 2 the puck was not on their side of the ice? Then we have much bigger issues with those 2.

    #32735
    Assman22
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    According to Friedman yesterday, Verbeek is not even listening to the calls coming in for McTavish.
    If he ever does listen to calls, it’s gonna take a lot more than a basketful of leftover “stuff” that any fan of
    the team making the offer would be willing to get rid of.

    It’s gonna require giving up something that Hawks fans (or fans of any other interested team) do not want to lose.

    Good, they should keep him but sign him already and get him in camp. They have some nice younger pieces like Carlsson, McTavish, Gauthier, Sennecke, and McQueen (if he gets healthy). Solberg the d-man they took in the 1st round this year will be solid in a few years. Problem right now is they have a big gap between the top 6 geezers mostly in their mid 30’s and the aforementioned young pieces being in early 20’s mostly. Will likely use all that cap space next summer and lots of big name UFA’s going to new teams with the big increase in the cap.

    #32740
    Mr Ricochet
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    I agree with a lot of what you say but i wouldn’t give up a Rinzel or Arty, maybe an Allan or Kaiser I’m selfish that way. It’s so hard to get players with the ability and size and position of those 2.

    Id rather take my chances on the plethora of forwards in the system. Just because the Ducks are bad at negotiating in no way we should do them any favors.

    Offer Crevier and a draft pick for McTavish’s rights then keep Grizz for 7th d-man. The plethora of forwards you speak of are still mostly in juniors/college. McTavish is already a solid NHLer paying for a boner of a franchise. Also brings some sandpaper that this 23-man roster lacks especially the forwards group.

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    Hey Dots, hope all is well in the Dots household. I know you foster kids so your place is always jumpin and no two days are the same. Hope all is well, Dots.

    You know what my problem is if indeed the Hawks went after McTavish? The Hawks have pretty much every possible asset in the system to acquire a McTavish and I don’t think anything less than a Rinzel or Artie would do it. If that’s the case my problem is which one, The Cossack or Rinzel? Yea, Rinzel is profiling as everything KD hoped he’d he’d be. A RS Dman, a strong skater, 1st pairing guy who might be a premium #1 PP guy with great size and he seems to get it between the ears.

    And Artie still has a lotta wild horse that needs to be coached out of him but I believe the majority of scouts would say today that Artie has the higher ceiling between the two. The kids physical traits say he can be a man beast. The kinda player there are few answers for, if any. But, and I always felt this way back to the USHL it’s fair to question his IQ to an extent. His reads seem good, and will get better with NHL ice time, but he hasn’t shown he could be elite on that account.

    I don’t wanna lose either player but a chance to have McT and Frondell as my #1 and #2 centermen for a decade is rare. KD is from the school of building from the back up and be strong down the middle and to target big Dmen and centermen. I thought despite appearing to favor speed/skill KD favors big centerman in a big way. He drafts Misiak, Boisvert, Spellacy, Frondell and gives a big sound centerman in Dickinson term… I believe the Hawks think Desnoyers and Hagens have higher offensive upside than Frondell but KD wanted that big solid and sound 2 may centerman with great size. He passed on two pretty damn good centerman with skill and offensive upside for the money in the bank blood and guts 55 pt centerman.

    We all know he ain’t scared to do something big by that first draft, especially moving Dcat, and we know he likes big blood and guts centerman, and we know he has the assets to acquire most any player in the Bigs, and we know that Verbeek has a problem of some degree with McTavish. I personally believe there ain’t a day that goes by that KD isn’t looking for an opportunity to acquire a McTavish type and the timing of the rebuild is right to add young elite talent, especially centerman.

    I’d pull the trigger but am damn glad I don’t have to be the one to say whether Rinzel of Artie is the one to dangle. …… GMing ain’t easy and I guess it ain’t supposed to be… You gonna give the phenom help? Pull the trigger.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by Mr Ricochet.
    #32743
    BetweenTheDots
    Participant

    Actually Rico the wife and I are finally empty nesters so life is good. Done a lot of traveling since being free for almost 2 years now.

    I’m going to a lot more games this year to watch the kiddies play. Figure i need something to do on the weekends.

    You’re right about gming not being easy, i personally hope that they don’t move either dman, i can see a future where those 2 are big part of us winning in the near future.

    #32746
    Angotti
    Participant

    No way I’m giving up Artie or Rinzel for McTavish. Those two have a ceiling of top pairing defensemen and that is more valuable than a second/third line center on a good team, which is what McTavish is. Also, like I mentioned earlier, Crevier and a pick will not get it done. I’d love for the Hawks to acquire McTavish, but I wouldn’t give up any core pieces in the deal.

    #32748
    CoachFrenchy
    Participant

    Thanks, my friend. I reported it to Bill early this morning around 4 a.m. Thanks for all your concern. Just give us a little time to get the site running properly. Sometimes we run into bugs, but we do our best to fix them as soon as we’re aware. Don’t hesitate to reach out to me in the forum or under my articles. We truly appreciate all of you being here and sharing the love of the game. – Frenchy

    #32749
    Mr Ricochet
    Participant

    Actually Rico the wife and I are finally empty nesters so life is good. Done a lot of traveling since being free for almost 2 years now.

    I’m going to a lot more games this year to watch the kiddies play. Figure i need something to do on the weekends.

    You’re right about gming not being easy, i personally hope that they don’t move either dman, i can see a future where those 2 are big part of us winning in the near future.

    Oh wow, it’s gotta be a shock for you and your wife. Bet half the time you don’t know what to do with yourself. You guys are living the dream!! Well deserved………..

    Maybe KD is waiting for a Kaprisov to be a FA and give him 20 mil per with term. We all talk about adding a Hossa and when that is the time right. McTavish checks a lotta the same boxes as Hossa but he’s 22 AND a centerman. ……. KD is so laser focused he may seem conservative but his first draft day says otherwise. We’ll see but there has to be a time for him to do something really big.

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