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MH, decent enough chance KK doesn’t live up to his draft status but the kid has the traits to be a useful NHL player.
I agree.
To be fair though, you neglected to quote/respond to the info I supplied before that last part, supporting the fact that KK is still very young (compared to Hjalmarsson and Keith).(imho) keep giving him chances until/unless he totally busts out. I don’t want another Forsling situation.
MH, decent enough chance KK doesn’t live up to his draft status but the kid has the traits to be a useful NHL player.
I agree.
To be fair though, you neglected to quote/respond to the info I supplied before that last part, supporting the fact that KK is still very young (compared to Hjalmarsson and Keith).(imho) keep giving him chances until/unless he totally busts out. I don’t want another Forsling situation.
There’s a very real chance of that happening regardless as there are only 6 real spots open on the Hawks backend. It is very likely that at least one of the D-men gets traded and turns into a really good player for another team. That’s one of the main issues with having so many draft choices and building everything through the draft. Inevitably, someone is going to be left out and traded, or leave as a FA and lord help us all when that happens.
There’s a very real chance of that happening regardless
Yes, I just think if it were to be KK the pain would be even greater due to
his draft position and because they traded away DeBrincat to pick KK.If you traded/waived Allan or Crevier (just for example) and they improved a ton at age 24 or 25, it’d be kinda random (which could be said of Forsling to be fair).
But, giving up on the #7OA pick too early and watching him greatly succeed would be a serious kick in the sack and damaging criticism of management.There’s a very real chance of that happening regardless
Yes, I just think if it were to be KK the pain would be even greater due to
his draft position and because they traded away DeBrincat to pick KK.If you traded/waived Allan or Crevier (just for example) and they improved a ton at age 24 or 25, it’d be kinda random (which could be said of Forsling to be fair).
But, giving up on the #7OA pick too early and watching him greatly succeed would be a serious kick in the sack and damaging criticism of management.Very true, although I personally don’t really take draft position into account much. I go more by draft class. If a team can get one good and one serviceable player out of each draft (regardless of where they are picked), I call that a win. The Hawks have Rinzel and Nazar out of that draft. You are also looking at Greene and Thompson, so lots of bullets that can hit the target. 2023 obviously has Bedard and a ton of good possibles. The one I’m most nervous about is last years with Arty. I love him but he’s really a boom or bust type pick. Boisvert and Vanacker both seem like good players, but I’ve got my concerns with how their games will translate. As always, time will tell.
Some good and bad news from the scribes:
Anderson is out the rest of the preseason. He’s having a procedure to correct a chronic issue.
Slaggert skated before practice, but will not play in the games this weekend.
Spellacy likely to be ready to go for this weekend. Should get a practice in before hand.
Also, it sounds like Arty had a bit of a struggle today understanding one of the drills.
Blashill said that Group 1 today was indeed the group most likely to start the year in the NHL, but added there are some guys in group 2 that can still push for playing time. (Nightingale ran Group 2 today).
I think this guy would fit in well here, hahaha
Chunk, typed out a lengthy quote in your response to Bedard and playing wing specifically but the bastard software jacked me…….. In a nutshell I fail to realize as much as I should we got a new set of eyes with his own way of doing things behind the bench in Blashill. Every assumption we had as far as slotting and trust in players is being looked at by new eyes.
I understand the Hawks want Bedard to be a centerman but as is Bedard has never shown he won’t be a liability without the puck in every zone, not even glimpses. I hope Blashill’s fresh, and unbiased as one can be about Bedard. eyes will see that and move the kid to wing. IMO we get the worst version of Bedard as a centerman. He’s horrid without the puck and the energy he uses with centerman responsibilities depletes his offense. Him playing center keeps him farthest from his offensive ceiling.
I’m encouraged in Game 1 under Blashill he indeed had at least one shift I saw with Nazar centering Bedard and I think Moore. … That’s a good sign IMO.
Chunk, typed out a lengthy quote in your response to Bedard and playing wing specifically but the bastard software jacked me…….. In a nutshell I fail to realize as much as I should we got a new set of eyes with his own way of doing things behind the bench in Blashill. Every assumption we had as far as slotting and trust in players is being looked at by new eyes.
I understand the Hawks want Bedard to be a centerman but as is Bedard has never shown he won’t be a liability without the puck in every zone, not even glimpses. I hope Blashill’s fresh, and unbiased as one can be about Bedard. eyes will see that and move the kid to wing. IMO we get the worst version of Bedard as a centerman. He’s horrid without the puck and the energy he uses with centerman responsibilities depletes his offense. Him playing center keeps him farthest from his offensive ceiling.
I’m encouraged in Game 1 under Blashill he indeed had at least one shift I saw with Nazar centering Bedard and I think Moore. … That’s a good sign IMO.
I’m not really advocating for any move of Bedard to wing, but just stating what I think will end up happening. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Bedard can greatly improve his defense. Marian Hossa is exhibit A. I just think Frondell is going to be a really good one and that will open the gates for Bedard to concentrate on being a point producing monster. It’s mostly a situational thing in my mind. There will end up being guys that are better equipped to handle that position.
There are plenty of guys that started out big point producers and were horrid defensively that ended up much better in the latter area without sacrificing too much on the former.
Chunk, I agree Lev has never really shown an above average IQ to me and that’s going back to watching him in the USHL and NCAA and that continues in pro. He ain’t a goof 3 times a game brain fart guy but he’s average IQ to me, although I’d say he has solid IQ in the 1/2 court Ozone game. …. And I was alerted to watch this kid from Belarus in the preseason of his first USHL season. Guys who collected a paycheck from the USHL were high on him. I didn’t quite get it the first couple times seeing him that yr but it didn’t take long to think his excellent size/skill traits that are difference making. ….. To me it would always be how far his between the ears game developed cuz this kid ain’t only really big, can really skate, has real skill in his hands and as hard as it is sometimes to see athleticism in hockey players, especially compared to other sports, you can see it with Artie.
It might have even been while he was at Michigan St that I thought at worst Artie would be a Ristoleinen. His floor. Big, rangy, athletic Dman with offensive chops but it’s between the ears that limits him. IMO Risto is a very useful player but reading a lotta Meltzer and even when he was with BUFF the fancy stat folks did not like him……. Again, Risto is a pretty useful player but it’s fair to hope the 2nd overall will be better than that.
Very true, although I personally don’t really take draft position into account much.
I agree totally with icing the best team, going with who is better, earning TOI, and moving forward with the rebuild as is best, regardless of draft position.
re: KK, I’m specifically saying it would sting a lot more if they:
1) began the tank by trading away a 30-40 goal scorer entering his prime and,
2) used the acquired #7OA pick to draft a D-man and,
3) they spent years waiting for him to develop and,
4) they gave up on him a year or so too early and,
5) then he got good at NHL hockey soon after…..*if* all 5 of those happened (the first 3 already happened)
…that would be a harsh indictment of management, scouting, player development in RFD and CHI, et, etc.You could pass it off as “well KK 7OA and Rinzel 25OA same draft class, 1 hit 1 miss”, but man, you better be sure KK sucks before giving up.
He is still young (as I pointed out w/ the age comparisons a few posts ago)but he’s average IQ to me
Yeah, Arty is not surprising to the upside so far.
Hopefully things click, even in minor ways, this coming season at RFD and/or CHI.Regarding a Korchinski trade…
I remember a comment from CBJ GM Wadell after he traded #6 OA Jiricek a year or two ago. Paraphrasing he said you can’t fall in love with your draft picks. If it’s time to let one go, let him go.
Not saying it’s time to trade KK, but I hope KFC exhibits this type of attitude down the road when necessary.
Regarding a Korchinski trade…
I remember a comment from CBJ GM Wadell after he traded #6 OA Jiricek a year or two ago. Paraphrasing he said you can’t fall in love with your draft picks. If it’s time to let one go, let him go.
Not saying it’s time to trade KK, but I hope KFC exhibits this type of attitude down the road when necessary.
Easy to trade away a player you didn’t draft. Besides Jiricek expressed his unhappiness with the org.
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