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Habs gave up 2 x 1st round picks this year (16 and 17 overall) + an NHL player (Emil Heineman) just to get Dobson so it will be interesting to see over the years who wins this trade. Cush 29
To me Montreal is already a winner, and the Isles “could” be as well. Montreal already have an impressive cupboard of prospects. To trade the potential of the 16th and 17th pic for an established, and barely entering his prime 1st pairing D. is just what the Docotor ordered for Montreal.
Should the Isles use those pics to move up in the draft and they acquire the player they want, they could be winners as well if said prospect ends up being solid.
The potential for a win/win is pretty high.
I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team. I have no idea why as I don’t watch the Islanders but you have to wonder why to some degree. Maybe last year was a blip, Habs fans will be hoping so but the pressure will ramp up for this kid now coming to Montreal riding a newly signed 9.5M contract per year.
As a neutral observer IMO neither team is a winner (or loser) in this yet. That won’t be clear until Dobson starts to play with the Habs and the Islanders get their new winger onboard and playing and make their draft picks (and to your point they pan out or don’t) we just really don’t know yet.
I don’t disagree from a strategy perspective this is a deal that makes sense for Montreal but it’s a risk (as is any trade).
I wounder if the Habs parted ways with one of there 1st round picks
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Worth it IMO1st off FYI everyone if you click “quote” on the person you are replying to it seems to now quote them and open up a reply which is awesome!
2. Not sure if it’s worth it (yet). The 2 x 1st round picks + a player that people are perhaps underestimating is a big price for an RFA IMO.
The player the Habs traded was Emil Heineman – 23 year old Sweedish winger who is 6’2 and 200 lbs and scored 10 goals last year. He could grow into a nice player for the Islanders.
Like I said this will an interesting one to see how each team faired in this trade over the years.
If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
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The habs cupboards are pretty darn full, they are now entering win now mode.
Their top 4 d are now Guhle/Dobson and MAtheson/Hutson….thats pretty darn good…..three of which are really young.
Sure the swedish winger could turn into something more than a 10 goal scorer and who knows what happens to those mid first rounders in a draft that apparently after the 8th pick is pretty meh (so Ive read).
But for now, huge win for the habs.
I hate it.
I hate that I have to type something positive about those sacks of poop.🙁
JT has $2m in deferred compensation
full no move clause the first 2 years
5 team trade list the last 2 years.I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team. I have no idea why as I don’t watch the Islanders but you have to wonder why to some degree. Maybe last year was a blip, Habs fans will be hoping so but the pressure will ramp up for this kid now coming to Montreal riding a newly signed 9.5M contract per year.
As a neutral observer IMO neither team is a winner (or loser) in this yet. That won’t be clear until Dobson starts to play with the Habs and the Islanders get their new winger onboard and playing and make their draft picks (and to your point they pan out or don’t) we just really don’t know yet.
I don’t disagree from a strategy perspective this is a deal that makes sense for Montreal but it’s a risk (as is any trade).
i wouldn’t put much into Dobson plus minus.
at 5v5 he was +3 , hes out with empty net so get a lot of minuses. dumb stathis stats slipped last season, but the team as a whole did
I hate liking this move for the scabs
JT has $2m in deferred compensation
full no move clause the first 2 years
5 team trade list the last 2 years.Yup, all of those are perfectly fine.
The Habs deal with Dobson is a steal. The Habs are on the move up the standings. When you get the best player in the trade, you usually win. The Habs have a good young core in place and with Dobson in the fold, their defense is as good as the Leafs. Leafs window is only open for a couple of more years, with Ottawa, Montreal and Detroit making their move in the Atlantic.
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True the Habs definatley got the best player in this deal right now and it’s not even close. Determining if this is a steal of a deal for them, a fair deal or a bad deal (unlikely IMO) will take years to really figure out since you don’t know what you have in a draft pick for years.
Windows open and close, I’m not convinced the quick ‘rebuild’ vs a complete one isn’t going to be something more and more teams figure out how to do but really it comes down to if players will sign deals that allow teams to do so.
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Leafs getting Marchand?!?!?!? Seems like an overpay, but…I heard 4 x $9m….absolutely horrible imo. Marchand played great in Florida because he was on the 3rd line with other good players, facing lesser comp. Here he will be 2nd or top line facing stiffer comp.
Also, they moved away from marner’s 10.9 or soon to be 13 to spend 9m of it on a 36 year old? WTF.Horrible if true.
Hope its not.I agree …$9 over 4 years is too much. Two years …fine. But year 3 and 4 have to see that number drop. 9,9,5,1 = $6Mx4 …that’d feel a lot better.
Also – Marchand wasn’t really sheltered. His most common match ups against the Leafs were 88 and 91 and against the Oilers were McJesus and Draisatl. That Lundell/Marchand line got some of the most difficult assignments and they generally kicked ass.
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True the Habs definatley got the best player in this deal right now and it’s not even close. Determining if this is a steal of a deal for them, a fair deal or a bad deal (unlikely IMO) will take years to really figure out since you don’t know what you have in a draft pick for years.
Windows open and close, I’m not convinced the quick ‘rebuild’ vs a complete one isn’t going to be something more and more teams figure out how to do but really it comes down to if players will sign deals that allow teams to do so.
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I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team Cush29
The entire Islanders team had a rough year last year…lol
But to me, why the Habs are already winners is because they are getting an establsihed 1st line D, not even in his prime yet. He is certainly not one of the best in the league by any means, but he is a 1st line D nonetheless. Like I said, this could still very well pan out for New-York, but those picks could just as easily both be busts. It’s a very good extablsihed player for just potential. If these where top 10 pics, I would change my tune though.
If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
where are people seeing anything about Marchand and the leafs?
I got texted by a Boston fan, and there were multiple obscure websites reporting it. I’m not really sure how it’s possible, would this not be textbook tampering?!?
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
the leafs trade 2 unknown unprotected 1sts, which is a lot worse.
the habs 2 picks are known. also as per puckpedia those 2 picks are worth #6 overall. if you do the pick math thing.where are people seeing anything about Marchand and the leafs?
I got texted by a Boston fan, and there were multiple obscure websites reporting it. I’m not really sure how it’s possible, would this not be textbook tampering?!?
I just assume tampering isnt really a thing, or nobody really cares. everyone does it and its fine
Two quick observations:
– Tavares on the open market would have received over $7M easy. In fact, some dumb GM would have probably given him $8M. He took a huge paycut to stay in Toronto.
– Montreal is a fantastic place to sit on a patio and watch the pretty ladies walk by. The talent level in this town is much higher than their hockey team.
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