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Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
No one argues that Marner isn’t an exceptional hockey player. He’s a two-time first team all-star. He’s 5th in franchise scoring and 3rd in P/G (1.13) behind only Gilmour (1.15) and Matthews (1.16).
Marner was overpaid on his first contract extension and was insistent on, again, being overpaid on his next. You can claim it’s wrong or incorrect, but his peers took significantly less than he did. We can also claim that he’s compensating for taxes – but again, $61m of his $65.5m was paid out in signing bonus money that can be deferred or redirected somewhat. Did he still get dinged in taxes more than someone in Dallas or Florida? Yeah, he did. But so it goes. When we look at Marner’s $10.9m contract over 6 years and compare that to Rantanen’s $9.25m, which was signed two weeks later, you start to realize you got hosed in the Marner contract. Obviously other immediate comparables were Aho @ $8.5m, Eichel @ $10m, Kucherov @ $9.5m or Panarin @ $11.6m. A solid middle-ground in that mix is probably $9.5m.
But while this is speculation I think that Mitch was never truly happy in Matthews’ shadow. There were comments by his father or his agent which were direct shots at Matthews and either subtly, or not so much, throwing shade on the team’s franchise player. He said he was already done 2 years ago. If you make $11m and don’t accept the criticism that comes with your failures, you are the problem. For all that Matthews has not excelled in games 5-7 either, he was worn that mantle of failure and accepted it – he doesn’t get bombastic with the media or run away or check out and want to leave. He does get to hold the excuse that he was playing injured all season – and any of us who watched it could see it clear as day from game 1 against Montreal throughout the season that he wasn’t right.
That said, if he doesn’t manage to stay healthy enough to step up and lead by example, this will a wasted rebuild.
I’ve said before that the team will miss Marner – and they will – but you’re bitching about something Shanahan fucked them on over a year ago. Like it or not, Mitch was on the way out and he knew it – and he told the Leafs about it, apparently. At this point they need to balance the roster with a better mix of toughness to support the skilled guys. If the team itself is harder to play against they probably don’t miss Mitch’s contributions as much. I’m not saying they’ve done this for the record. I’m not a gigantic fan of their offseason moves so far – or lack thereof – but they are putting themselves in a position where they can.
Is this site working yet?
If so, avoid trading for Kadri unless Calgary retains 25% salary and it cost us scraps to get him.
Which isnt gonna happen.Was off on vacation for a week and didn’t crack open the laptop once just read all the goings on etc. on my phone.
I’m not sure what’s worse UG’s constant whining like the little bitch he is about things that can’t change or that are just plain flat out made up bullshit or trying to use this site on a mobile phone.
I used to be able to log in on my phone but can’t even do that anymore. lol
Marner left on his accord…no fans “made” him leave….that’s a moronic statement.
But with that said, the leafs and Matthews will miss his reg season presence for sure and as of now, marner’s money doesnt seem to have been spent as well as hoped.
Now, I say this on July 7th…..well before Free agency comes to a close and the reg season starts….so alot can still change. Still so earlyAs with every single year, I usually dont judge the leafs until 20 games into the season…this year I’ll give them 30…..but I truly only care about what they do in the playoffs.
I expect marner to have an adjustment period as well (which Im sure the marner haters will use as a “see I told you he wouldnt get as many points”) but then he’ll continue to get lots of reg season points once adjusted. The true test for him will be in the playoffs – games 5 – 7.At the end of the day, marner turned down $13.5m per from the leafs. He chose to leave, not built for Toronto.
Moving on.Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.fire shapkins
Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.Let’s revisit this come mid September. At least they kick some Yankee butts a series ago.
Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.fire shapkins
Then hire him back and make him wear a paper bag over his head.
No one argues that Marner isn’t an exceptional hockey player. He’s a two-time first team all-star. He’s 5th in franchise scoring and 3rd in P/G (1.13) behind only Gilmour (1.15) and Matthews (1.16).
No, there are definitely some that do.
Marner was overpaid on his first contract extension and was insistent on, again, being overpaid on his next. You can claim it’s wrong or incorrect, but his peers took significantly less than he did. We can also claim that he’s compensating for taxes – but again, $61m of his $65.5m was paid out in signing bonus money that can be deferred or redirected somewhat.
That’s exactly what he’s compensating for and he couldn’t get big signing bonuses like Matthews and Tavares did to avoid the taxes. Nobody seems to give a fuck about that reality.
Did he still get dinged in taxes more than someone in Dallas or Florida? Yeah, he did. But so it goes.
Yes, he did. That’s not just some ho hum situation. It’s a difference of literally tens of millions of dollars.
But while this is speculation I think that Mitch was never truly happy in Matthews’ shadow.
Indeed, pure speculation. Speculation was also that Babcock got fired because he refused to play them together and that they were very close. Speculation is mostly bullshit because it can be created by any media, especially the one that owns the team and needs to weave PR webs of bullshit so idiots believe lies.
There were comments by his father or his agent which were direct shots at Matthews and either subtly, or not so much, throwing shade on the team’s franchise player.
Prove it, let’s see this evidence. And actual, real proof that he truly attacked or insulted Matthews, not some bullshit Twitter spat or a line taken out of context that’s twisted and interpreted to fit a narrative.
He said he was already done 2 years ago.
Again, prove it. If he was “done” why not take a trade out of town years earlier? Because it’s bullshit.
If you make $11m and don’t accept the criticism that comes with your failures, you are the problem.
He faced the media after every loss and accepted the criticism. He wasn’t the problem. The problem is that management can’t identify the actual garbage players on this team and keeps bringing them back while scapegoating Marner disproportionately.
For all that Matthews has not excelled in games 5-7 either, he was worn that mantle of failure and accepted it –
He accepted that he keeps being given excuses? He accepted it the same way everybody else did. He stood there with a stupid face and shrugged his shoulders.
he doesn’t get bombastic with the media or run away or check out and want to leave.
Another bullshit claim.
He does get to hold the excuse that he was playing injured all season – and any of us who watched it could see it clear as day from game 1 against Montreal throughout the season that he wasn’t right.
So he holds zero accountability? He was injured but still played for Team USA. He couldn’t sit that out? He couldn’t sit out after that tournament ended to give the Leafs more deadline cap space and heal for the playoffs? The pattern here is simple. Hate Marner, excuse everyone else. Tavares played like shit vs. Florida but who cares? Nylander has dry hair? Who cares. Matthews can’t show up for big games? Who cares. But if Marner does any of those things? Circle the wagons.
That said, if he doesn’t manage to stay healthy enough to step up and lead by example, this will a wasted rebuild.
This has already been a wasted rebuild. This team will implode in the next 2 years with Matthews being traded or walking as a UFA. This team is finished. The only reason to delay that blow up is they don’t have 1st round picks until 2028.
I’ve said before that the team will miss Marner – and they will – but you’re bitching about something Shanahan fucked them on over a year ago. Like it or not, Mitch was on the way out and he knew it – and he told the Leafs about it, apparently. At this point they need to balance the roster with a better mix of toughness to support the skilled guys. If the team itself is harder to play against they probably don’t miss Mitch’s contributions as much. I’m not saying they’ve done this for the record. I’m not a gigantic fan of their offseason moves so far – or lack thereof – but they are putting themselves in a position where they can.
This isn’t only Shanahan’s fault. The management team after Shanahan is just as retarded. Treliving ruined Calgary, he’s about to do the same here. This is his MO. He’s a bad GM who was hired as a puppet assistant to Shanahan, the same way that Dubas was a glorified assistant under Shanahan. These are bad managers, ALL OF THEM, and the results speak for themselves. The team is worse and won’t get better when or where it matters. Florida will destroy them for the foreseeable future.
Marner is talented but UG’s crying is making him gone so fucking worth it that I’m loving it lol
I was enjoying the cry fest a few days ago but UG is fucking relentless. He needs to STFU about it already. It’s done. Marner is gone.
Marner is talented but UG’s crying is making him gone so fucking worth it that I’m loving it lol
I’m sure he’ll find another topic to bitch about.
I’m gonna need some cheese and crackers with all the whining going on.
Everytime line 1 is on the ice and doesn’t score by the time they go back to the bench this upcoming season UG is going to say “see?! The leafs would have scored if Marner was still here!”
UG how about you STFU already. He’s traded.
Go spew your Marner jizz fest in the Vegas thread. Marner #93 Vegas Golden Knights.
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