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in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Ya its been fun watching the Jays. The 2015 team had the raw talent to sustain winning all season…..Im worried, this team doesnt have that to sustain all year….that they may cool off.
But if they can get a big lead in the AL and only cool off to go 37 – 34 the rest of the season…that should be enough to get into the playoffs.
Plus they get varsho back and sure Santander (but he’s been garbage) and maybe one of these years Vladdy goes on a hot streak when it counts, along with getting another starter…..they may be able to do some damage. We’ll see.
Been fun so far though…just enjoying the ride.The culture starts with winning, its simply not all about taxes….sure it may help but if you have a winning culture with a good locker room, players will go there.
Tampa, dallas and florida all had low tax rates for decades, its only until they started winning constantly that they began attracting so many players.
Nothing will change here in toronto until they begin to win in the playoffs.
I think that’s probably fair – the culture of taking less to win starts with knowing how to win and what it takes to do it.
When I think of a winning culture, there are teams that struggle but maintain a “winning culture” through their tougher periods. As an example, and I realize this predates the cap, so it’s not an apples:apples comparison, but the idea is presented – as the Canadiens dynasty from the late 70s faded away after another decade of continually good play and the team transitioned from a Hall of Fame lineup to a lineup that featured guys like Richer, Skrudland or Naslund – all good, but none worthy of standing in Lafleur’s shadow – but the guys who had known what it took to win – Robinson or a younger Carbonneau who had learned from that group – carried the torch forward. As much as Patrick Roy in 92-93 is a legend, I don’t think that team wins the cup without the culture of winning that was established in the 1970s by Bowman’s group.
That’s ultimately Toronto’s largest challenge, I think. He may have been an asshole but when they started the rebuild with Babcock and Lamoriello at the top, you had guys who understood the culture change and “being a good pro”. They were the only stewards the Leafs had. I mean they got Hainsey in 2017, who had won a cup – but the larger voices that led the team over the years were Marleau, Thornton, Spezza and of course Tavares. It’s not intended as an offense to any of their legacies, but none of them would have implanted a winning culture change – none of them had won anything.
You replace Lamiorello with Dubas and Babcock with Keefe and you move further away from that winning culture. And to be clear – I am not saying that Lamiorello was great or that Babcock wasn’t an asshole – I’m noting that they both carried more of a cultural influence than anyone else in the organization. Obviously I don’t _know_, but I believe that stuff carries a lot of weight.
in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
Back in 2008 top players were making decent cash $7 -$9m (for that time)….no one was flocking to florida to play
In 2001 – 2003 top players were making $9 to $11.5m…..no one was flocking to florida to play.
Winning…changes everything.
Of course there are loop holes and tax breaks or lower taxes that players can take advantage of now to save money…of course that helps (along with weather)…not disputing that. But winning is the honey that attracts the bears and ants. If florida, tampa and dallas were garbage losing teams you think players would sign for less to play there?
Nope.
They take less, because they win….and they’ve built winning cultures…or even cultures that may be a “team first” culture. Which seems to be the exact opposite of what was built in Toronto.
Toronto got cocky and lazy….they thought everyone would want to play here cause its the “mecca of hockey”….so they seem to stop building a winning brand…they missed the boat and even homegrown talent got greedy or simply didnt want to stay and play.
But winning…can change that.
This notion that its all about taxes is BS…it helps….but so does winning and having a team first winning culture.And of course the league will never do anything help northern teams (except pittsburgh), for sure its all about the southern teams…need new fans.
Do you actually believe Marner would have stayed here for $12 million? He’d be $14.5-$15.
$7-$9 is nothing more than upper average now.
2001-03 was a different era without a cap.
It’s a pretty basic thing to factor. Star players essentially want $7+ million take home post taxation. Yes, other factors matter, but that one is huge.
in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
New contracts. You can’t redo existing contracts
in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
Yes, so starting in 2026 all new contracts will have this restriction. Existing contracts are grandfathered.
New contracts. You can’t redo existing contracts
???? thank you
You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
yes contracts signed under the new cba
Yes, so starting in 2026 all new contracts will have this restriction. Existing contracts are grandfathered.
And thank you
Wonder if that will hurt keeping someone like Matthews around.
Meh… just hammered out the numbers quick and it would cost him about $1 million and that’s only if every game was in Toronto, I did it very generally so I’m guessing it wouldn’t be too bad of an adjustment for the leafs to make with bonuses to out of country players
You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
Not as bad as I thought it would be like I mentioned. I’m sure a banker/investor/etc could play the game beautifully
You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
what will the cap be in 2028? around 120 mil?
If AM signed for the same cap % as his current deal, that would be 16.68m
so call it 17, would he sign for that?guess it depends what Mcdavid does
You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
Not as bad as I thought it would be like I mentioned. I’m sure a banker/investor/etc could play the game beautifully
True, but I’m sure they’re also currently doing that, so any change to the CBA will still have a pretty serious impact on the tax gymnastics they’re able to do.
You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
what will the cap be in 2028? around 120 mil?
If AM signed for the same cap % as his current deal, that would be 16.68m
so call it 17, would he sign for that?guess it depends what Mcdavid does
They sign matching $15M contracts, and share the C:-)
True, but I’m sure they’re also currently doing that, so any change to the CBA will still have a pretty serious impact on the tax gymnastics they’re able to do.
Meh, then they’ll just start doing synchronized swimming taxes
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