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ose players would have to be suspended no matter who they are. It’s the current standard. I’m guessing the bigger names who magically get that to happen like you’re saying though. I’ve heard the NHLPA have recently started pushing to have the overall suspension dropped though. I kind of wonder that myself, being charged isn’t being found guilty, still, could be a media frenzy though.
I agree it’s the standard – what I don’t know is if it is appropriate (assuming it’s an unpaid suspension) or legal from a contractual perspective. It’s pretty common practice in many organizations / companies etc. that an investigative suspension is a paid one.
Now this has a criminality element to it as the players were charged with a criminal offense so perhaps that makes it different and there is language in the CBA or a contract etc. that says the league/team can suspend them (with or without pay) if a criminal charge is laid against the ’employee’ (player).
It’s the difference between being charged of a criminal offence vs convicted of one that is the crux the the debate in some ways.
Think about say a police officer, if they are charged with an offense they are either moved to an administrative role and continue to work or suspended with pay pending the end result of the court case and/or the determination / ruling from the Police Services board. (Yes police officers being suspended with pay is something that is in itself a hot topic quite often but the concept behind it is sound in that it’s to protect those who are wrongfully accused from losing pay due to false complaints made with malice intent etc.).
To that end the NHLPA would be underserving their players by not fighting against any ability to have one of their ‘members’ suspended without pay for being charged with an offence.
One suggested way to try and remedy the issue with police who are allowed to keep being paid after being charged with an offence and until the court cases are heard (sometimes for years) I have read about was to make the individual pay back any and all money they received if they are convicted. If I was arguing for some language to be fair to both the NHLPA and the League/teams that might be the suggestion I make. I mean if a player was charged with an offence and they thought there was a possibility that they may be convicted they would then simply know that they should put aside money they are being paid while going through the court process so they have it to pay back if convicted.
Was it immoral? To some no, but to many yes.
Was it disgusting? To some no, but to many yes.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
She agreed to go back to have sex with McLeod. He texted the rest of the group to come up and join in. Most decided to stay away, some decided to come to the room and four of those decided to have sex with her. I don’t think there was any evidence that he invited them up at her request.
The players maintained that she was enthusiastic. The Crown argued that she was drunk and fearful and that any consent was invalid. The judge concluded that the Crown didn’t meet its burden of proof and they were acquitted.
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when the players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?[/quote]
Ya thats not it at all.
Its fucking 2025….so many women have onlyfans accounts or post provocative pics on social media.It mainly stems from a drunk inviting ONE guy to her room and that one guy texting friends to come up and then her being or feeling pressured to continue.
If she wanted a gang bang, then this most likely isnt a story.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes? – Atomic Wedgie
She agreed to go back to have sex with McLeod. He texted the rest of the group to come up and join in. Most decided to stay away, some decided to come to the room and four of those decided to have sex with her. I don’t think there was any evidence that he invited them up at her request.
The players maintained that she was enthusiastic. The Crown argued that she was drunk and fearful and that any consent was invalid. The judge concluded that the Criwn didn’t meet its burden of proof and they were acquitted.
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her. – CC [/quote]
I am guessing that when talking about her being the aggressor he was referring to the testimony of a witness (player that was not charged) that was called by the prosecution who allegedly said something to the effect of (was reported as this being the testimony):
“She went onto the floor and started masturbating and asked guys to come have sex with her,” Steenbergen says. “She said, ‘Can one of you guys come over and f–k me?’”
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Legit, if ANY player in the NHL had charges brought against them, they would be immediately suspended. There probably is a “out” clause in every pro sports contract for cases like this. Players in the NBA and NFL get suspended all the time for legal issues.
I also don’t think the players would be successful in suing the league for lost wages. The NHLPA is obviously fighting for them, and they may land some kind of settlement, but that’s about the best they can hope for IMO.
Do I think these players should have the opportunity to return to the NHL? Yes. Will I be pissed if the Leafs inquire about any of them? Also yes. Will I ridicule Oiler fans relentlessly if they stoop to the level of signing any one of these guys. Absolutely, yes.
If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Legit, if ANY player in the NHL had charges brought against them, they would be immediately suspended. There probably is a “out” clause in every pro sports contract for cases like this. Players in the NBA and NFL get suspended all the time for legal issues.
I also don’t think the players would be successful in suing the league for lost wages. The NHLPA is obviously fighting for them, and they may land some kind of settlement, but that’s about the best they can hope for IMO.
Do I think these players should have the opportunity to return to the NHL? Yes. Will I be pissed if the Leafs inquire about any of them? Also yes. Will I ridicule Oiler fans relentlessly if they stoop to the level of signing any one of these guys. Absolutely, yes.
This is just retarded. Pissed just at the idea of them inquiring? Just asking questions?
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod at league minimum than with Kampf. Same goes with Formenton at league minimum over Jarnkrok. Foote is better than having no RHD at all on the 3rd pair and he’s better than Myers too. Dube is a small skill guy but he’d fit in the top-6. He’s got a better history of scoring than Maccelli does, that’s for damn sure.
If the Leafs have the opportunity to improve the team by signing these guys for cheap contracts, they’d be stupid not too and so would anybody being pissy about the team improving over a bunch of bullshit they were NOT GUILTY for.
This is just retarded. Pissed just at the idea of them inquiring? Just asking questions?
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod at league minimum than with Kampf. Same goes with Formenton at league minimum over Jarnkrok. Foote is better than having no RHD at all on the 3rd pair and he’s better than Myers too. Dube is a small skill guy but he’d fit in the top-6. He’s got a better history of scoring than Maccelli does, that’s for damn sure.
If the Leafs have the opportunity to improve the team by signing these guys for cheap contracts, they’d be stupid not too and so would anybody being pissy about the team improving over a bunch of bullshit they were NOT GUILTY for.
~Ignorant dumbassFormenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
Formenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Yes, he’s younger, he’s bigger, he’s a fast skater, he’s still in his prime and he costs 25% of what Jarnkrok costs. Formenton was out of the league for a contract dispute and then this shit popped up, not because he’s a bad player. He came from the London Knights system, he’s a solid player on the 4th line and has scored 18 before so he can score too. Jarnkrok is broken, old, small, overpaid and useless in the playoffs. I’ll take the cheaper, younger, bigger, faster skater every day.
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
Yes, Kane and Bowman were such a massive, giant distraction that they went to the Cup Final. Twice. Fucking retard.
You can organize the boy scout plastic Stanley Cup parade.
Formenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Yes, he’s younger, he’s bigger, he’s a fast skater, he’s still in his prime and he costs 25% of what Jarnkrok costs. Formenton was out of the league for a contract dispute and then this shit popped up, not because he’s a bad player. He came from the London Knights system, he’s a solid player on the 4th line and has scored 18 before so he can score too. Jarnkrok is broken, old, small, overpaid and useless in the playoffs. I’ll take the cheaper, younger, bigger, faster skater every day.
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
Yes, Kane and Bowman were such a massive, giant distraction that they went to the Cup Final. Twice. Fucking retard.
You can organize the boy scout plastic Stanley Cup parade.
You keep calling me a retard like I give a fuck about your dumbass opinion. If you’re the original UG, you’ve been like this going on 20 years. Go to anger management or something.
And, as always, the Leafs aren’t going to do anything that you suggest, so keep yelling at clouds.
Hello to all, making another post while on here. 😛
I’ve been online since 1995 & was 1 of the 1st folks whom where a undocumented case of chat addiction. Futher to that I have been a admin on forums, voice chat clients & etc. I still moderate for some semi popular youtube channels & twitch channels besides being a user on them. I have seen/observed MANY things over that time.
With that said, here’s the thing: Online & Offline society has changed soo much over the last decade if not 2 decades now.
Peaple whom have old school ideals that they where instilled into them by there parents in the past can not see the truths/realities that are in front of them in this day & age. ” Innocence ” is something that is RARE to find in a person period. It has been vanquished from society for at least a decade by bad parenting/social influence & etc. Today, most of societies mindset is ” Guilty till proven innocent ” & even IF your found to be innocent … your STILL punished by society cause of it.As for “evidence” … as I have seen/observed/experienced even myself on youtube … audio/video/photo’s can be edited/manipulated ( another bad thing about AI controlled apps ) to make someone to look guilty or say something they didn’t & push legal actions onto them in a vindictive manner. This in turn makes it harder to validate ” evidence ” for legal matters. This is where someone whom is a expert in human vocal mannerisms-body language is important to catch all the signs of someone being dishonest about something.
Futher to what the quoted person said … females have changed in MANY ways this last decade, they have became VERY deceptive & manipulated in what there intentions are. I’ll give you a prime example. A sex trafficing ring in hamilton was busted a few years ago .. guess who was the leader of it … a 17 y.o female. NOT a guy … a female AND on top of that a minor !! They know as a female & even more so them being a minor .. they can get away with just about anything without any concequences & ANY male no matter there age WILL be held response able.
At the end of the day, no matter the age/gender/sexual orientation .. no one should be allowed to physically/mentally/sexually abuse another individual. And if persons is given a chance to reform, does so sucessfully & shows they have … they should be given a second chance in life. If we should look at anything in this situation, it was how it was handled by team canada & futher to better procegures to collect evidence in events like this moving forward.
Have a great day folks.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
Ya thats not it at all.
Its fucking 2025….so many women have onlyfans accounts or post provocative pics on social media.It mainly stems from a drunk inviting ONE guy to her room and that one guy texting friends to come up and then her being or feeling pressured to continue.
If she wanted a gang bang, then this most likely isnt a story.[/quote]
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
Yes, McLeod’s lawyer argued that it was her idea to invite the whole team up. She denied it and the judge didn’t come to a y conclusion on the point. The judge didn’t conclude however that was a willing participant in the sex with the other four and did
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
But did they say thank you when she was done? Did they offer her an iced tea or a snickers. Those may not be crimes but the lack of gang bang etiquette is disqualifying.
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