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Let’s talk about trades, free agency and the draft.
Devils traded Eric Haula to Nashville for Jeremy Hanzel & a 2025 4th round pick.
https://www.nhl.com/news/erik-haula-traded-to-predators-by-devils
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Not sold on McMann. Should be traded for assets. The Marner money should get you two top 6 wingers. Boeser and Ehlers? Shoring up the 3rd pairing on RD is also important. Whatever they can get in exchange for Rielly, they should do so.
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Not sold on McMann. Should be traded for assets. The Marner money should get you two top 6 wingers. Boeser and Ehlers?
Man I’m not trying to dog on you dude because your McMann take is good but I’m just unsure with a cap going up, players in their prime and combined making 13ish million they are taking the same money OR a pay cut to come to Toronto?
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Not sold on McMann. Should be traded for assets. The Marner money should get you two top 6 wingers. Boeser and Ehlers? Shoring up the 3rd pairing on RD is also important. Whatever they can get in exchange for Rielly, they should do so.
I dont think Boeser and Ehlers solve the playoff problem. Ehlers is good, but more of another Nylander type.
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Chicago re-ups Ryan Donato 4M x 4 years
Rangers re-up Matt Rempe 775K x 2 years
Sens re-sign Fabian Zetterlund 4.275M x 3 years
Dallas re-ups Duchene 4.75 x 4 yearsall fine, Donato had a big sh% jump this season, id expect that to return to normal and he lands somewhere in 20g 20a range.
Fabian Zetterlund was odd for the Sens, not much production, I guess they are banking on him scoring 20 again -
all fine, Donato had a big sh% jump this season, id expect that to return to normal and he lands somewhere in 20g 20a range.
Fabian Zetterlund was odd for the Sens, not much production, I guess they are banking on him scoring 20 again – senstrolltwoI also thought that Sens signing was a bit much, but he is 25 years old and I guess that’s what a 20 goal scoring D man fetches? I feel no guilt for hoping he scores 0 goals and that contract is a boat anchor. lol
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Kraken get Marchment for a 3rd and 4th.
https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1935847269460590821?s=46&t=rzZ_5isvSO5yY-yQssF2uw
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Kraken get Marchment for a 3rd and 4th.
As usual, the Leafs are late to the last supper. Instead of being proactive, they go to an early summer vacation. They better be trying to get something for Marner’s rights or they’re brain dead!
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As usual, the Leafs are late to the last supper. Instead of being proactive, they go to an early summer vacation. They better be trying to get something for Marner’s rights or they’re brain dead!
If they don’t trade Marner’s rights are you going to be mad when they say “they tried” as you requested here?
Also, for the record, Marchment has a 10 team no trade list. How do you know the leafs weren’t on it?
In addition, considering how many people talk about Marchment as the prototypical “power forward” the leafs need (which any team would need) he went for a paltry trade of mid picks. Let’s not overblow this guy’s abilities.I hope we hear of the Knies and JT signings soon though!
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Jeff Marek
An important note about the Marchment/Seattle deal – GM Jim Nill sent Marchment to another ‘no state tax’ team. You don’t want the rep of sending a player somewhere they don’t want to go after they take less to play for you.Every player that gets moved that someone wanted on the Leafs, its because the Leafs are dumb and didnt just go get him.
there are no other reasons
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Not sold on McMann. Should be traded for assets. The Marner money should get you two top 6 wingers. Boeser and Ehlers?
I am going to be positive here in that let’s think about what “far apart” means. I haven’t checked any articles about it or sources to know more details so I am speculating but can it not mean Knies wants a shorter term and leafs want longer? It doesn’t HAVE to be dollar amounts and it’ll be an overpay. It could be maybe the leafs want to give him 5 and he wants 8 or 9. I don’t necessarily believe that 8 x 8 would be a 1 or 2 mil overpay. I think we need to look at the contracts this year with the cap going up in the future in mind. We just gotta hope we don’t have another pandemic to stall it all out again
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Sam Bennett doing his best Wolf of Wall Street saying he’s not fucking leaving……….now you have to factor in that he’s likely hammered and on zero sleep but it does at least tell you he likely wants to stay in Florida (and probably will).
https://x.com/BarDown/status/1935936445153243213
Marchand may leave now that he got another cup, I could see him going for an overpay somewhere I just hope it’s not Toronto because I feel like his play in the playoffs was a bit of magic in a bottle and won’t be repeated.
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Jonathan Toews is about to sign with the Jets (can’t sign until July 1 but apparently has a verbal agreement with them).
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Toews to the Jets is fitting. Good for him if he can play, even a minor role!
As for Marchy, I don’t think he signs in Toronto. Guy has 2 cups so he either Corey Perry’s this bitch and tries for a 3rd and signs cheapo. Or he heads to Utah or somewhere else willing to pay him 8 million over 3 or 4 years. Even 1 year at that is too much.
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I am going to be positive here in that let’s think about what “far apart” means. I haven’t checked any articles about it or sources to know more details so I am speculating but can it not mean Knies wants a shorter term and leafs want longer? It doesn’t HAVE to be dollar amounts and it’ll be an overpay. It could be maybe the leafs want to give him 5 and he wants 8 or 9. I don’t necessarily believe that 8 x 8 would be a 1 or 2 mil overpay. I think we need to look at the contracts this year with the cap going up in the future in mind. We just gotta hope we don’t have another pandemic to stall it all out again
I have no idea what far apart really means either, but my mind just goes, the Leafs want 6.5mx8 and he wants 8.5mx5
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Yeah I can buy that too in which we’d be a little boned in the upcoming season.
I mean, JT isn’t getting 11. Marner isn’t getting 11+. Outside of moving Rielly, the D is pretty well locked for the season. Goalies are locked in. Lots of cap to tinker.
Personally, I believe it takes tinkering. After seeing the Panthers win the cup with like 9 million over the cap and the leafs gave them seemingly the biggest hurdle, tells me the leafs are closer than we think.
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some contract predictions
marchand 8.1 and Puis suter 4.6 = 1 Marner
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some contract predictions
marchand 8.1 and Puis suter 4.6 = 1 Marner
Frankie Corrardo’s predictions are just his name being credited for a bunch of propeller heads in the back doing the work lol.
Also fuck no to 8M for Marchand at 37 years old for me.
From this list, instead of Marner at 13M or more:
Give me Patty Kane at 4M for L1
Bring Connor Brown back home for2M
Hell grab Jamie Benn for 4M
B. Tanev at 1.5 would be great
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Frankie Corrardo’s predictions are just his name being credited for a bunch of propeller heads in the back doing the work lol.
Also fuck no to 8M for Marchand at 37 years old for me.
From this list, instead of Marner at 13M or more:
Give me Patty Kane at 4M for L1
Bring Connor Brown back home for2M
Hell grab Jamie Benn for 4M
B. Tanev at 1.5 would be great
I dont really care whos name is attached to the list, just curious about what some players might land at
you could also get granlund, kane, brown and tanev for less than Marner
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Also Trade Rielly for what ev and sign Ekblad for rough the same $$
This I agree with. He’s the weak link and needs to be exorcised. Get back to 3LD and 3RD. Ekblad fits the 2D hole much nicer than having OEL playing the right side as a lefty. Seems like Treliving is procrastinating right now.
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This I agree with. He’s the weak link and needs to be exorcised. Get back to 3LD and 3RD. Ekblad fits the 2D hole much nicer than having OEL playing the right side as a lefty. Seems like Treliving is procrastinating right now.
Why are the leafs procrastinating? Because you haven’t heard anything? You think the Jets just called Toews up the this morning and was like “hey let’s do this. Here you go” and it was done in a 15 minute phone call?
There’s plenty going on behind the scenes we just don’t see or know.
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Sorry, posted this in the wrong forum:
P.Kane
Mangiapani
B.Tanev
Pius Suter
T. Jeannot
A. Ekblad or Dante FabbroMove on from Marner, Rielly, Jarnkrok, Holmberg, McMann, Krampf, Reaves, Robertson
Knies, Matthews, Patty Kane
Mangiapani, Tavares, Nylander
B. Tanev, Pius Suter, Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, JeannotMcCabe, Tanev
OEL, Ekblad/Carlo
Benoit, Carlo/Dante FabbroStoli
WollFuck you Marner! GLG! Cup 2026!!
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Leafs got picks #64,84,137,153,185 and 217 coming up this Friday and Saturday draft.
Are they going to add or subtract from those numbers.
I wonder the Leafs could get E. Kane + a 3rd round pick in 2026 form the Oliers as a possible cap dump for pick #84This will give the Oilers some cap space to go after Swayman.
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So if the Leafs don’t resign JT, do they move Nylander to #2C?
Knies Matthews Domi/??P.Kane??
McMann Nylander Domi/??P.Kane??
Pacioretty/??Jeannot?? Holmberg/Kampf ??E. Kane??
Lorentz Laughton ??B. Tanev??¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nylander can not play center in the NHL. He’s physically weak, horrible defensively and can’t win face-offs. Nylander is a one dimensional, offensive winger. That’s it. He’s a better Phil Kessel. End of story.
That entire line-up is just one giant mess of a defensive liability after another. Absolute opposite of a Berube team.
Leafs got picks #64,84,137,153,185 and 217 coming up this Friday and Saturday draft.
Are they going to add or subtract from those numbers.
I wonder the Leafs could get E. Kane + a 3rd round pick in 2026 form the Oliers as a possible cap dump for pick #84This will give the Oilers some cap space to go after Swayman.
I would happily trade every single Leafs pick in the draft, and I literally mean every single pick if necessary, if it meant the Leafs could bring in Jenner and McBain to play 2C and 3C. The odds of the Leafs being able to actually draft and develop any players from 64th and beyond is next to zero. I’d rather just go all the way with it and bring in two guaranteed guys in their mid 20s you will play on this team for at least the next 3-5 years so that you still have a crack at success with Matthews still on the team.
Evander Kane, much like Patrick Kane, is a liability at this stage of his career. He’s often injured, wrong side of 30 and way too expensive. I’d take Patrick and Evander Kane at 2 million each but not a penny more. Simply not worth it anymore. If the Oilers couldn’t win a Cup with Evander Kane at 5+ AAV, the Leafs won’t be able to either.
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Out of Floridas last 10 drafts (63 picks) they have 1 player on the team that had any impact on the cup wins. Lundell thats 2015-2024
Wrong again, as you were with the Leafs 1st round record the past 10-12 years.
The problem you have is you absolutely fail to see how Florida has elite asset management skills. When they give something up, they get fair (or greater) value in return. They find free stars all the time.
To start, they used 13th overall, Spencer Knight, to acquire Seth Jones. Eetu Luostarinen was acquired by trading their 3rd round pick of Trocheck. Good drafting turned into good trades. Just like they got Tkachuk for Huberdeau.
Need more examples? Great. There are plenty more.
Acquired Sam Reinthart for peanuts; 7th round pick Devon Levi and a 1st. Notice how when the Leafs trade a prospect and a 1st round pick they get dog shit like Laughton in return? Or a rental that plays 20 games? Not Florida.
Same thing they did to acquire Sam Bennett; Emil Heineman, 2nd round pick + another 2nd round pick. Again, when the Leafs throw away 2nd round picks, they get rentals, they didn’t get Bennett.
Marchand? Conditional 2nd round pick. Not even a fucking 1st.
Carter Verhaeghe? Free. Gustav Forsling? Free.
Even their “mistakes” of signing a goalie to a 10 million dollar contract turned out to not be a mistake, unlike when the Leafs did it with Tavares.
When the Leafs can hit that many home runs in trades, waiver wire and UFA signings, then they can afford to absolutely suck balls at drafting. Unfortunately, the Leafs absolutely suck at all three.
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lol jfc constant ranty guy cant help himself
who fucking cares about all that. point being they didnt have to reply on good drafting to win.Who cares about the actual facts when you can bullshit yourself into believing things that aren’t really true. Tracks coming from you. No need to reply on the facts.
Laughton is NOT dog poop.
Only Leafs haters and Flyers fans would say that.No, he’s dogshit. He’s another Kampf from Oakville. Literally 0 playoff goals for a 1st round pick and a 1 year rental.
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that’s your opinion which means NOTHING. I think he will do fine.
Who says he’s a 1 year rental. Only you who says that.No, that’s the facts. He was acquiring to be a 3rd line center. Ended up on the 4th line center. Then 4th line LW.
He did nothing in the regular season and scored, I repeat, ZERO GOALS in 13 playoff games. ZERO.
He’s only here because the Flyers retained salary. If he gets an extension, you think he’s going to play for 1 million again? Only way he does that is if he indeed sucks again.
Objective facts are that he sucked.
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He did absolutely nothing that warranted surrendering a 1st round draft pick.
He’s the type of player you can sign as a UFA on July 16th at a bargain rate.
While Marchand went for a conditional 2nd round pick.
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He did absolutely nothing that warranted surrendering a 1st round draft pick.
He’s the type of player you can sign as a UFA on July 16th at a bargain rate.
Not going to make excuses here as Tre really wanted him. Like he’s not going to pot you 27 goals each year but will be sound defensely.
He’ll that in total points.
I just like what Laughton.
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Aaron
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If they don’t trade Marner’s rights are you going to be mad when they say “they tried” as you requested here?Also, for the record, Marchment has a 10 team no trade list. How do you know the leafs weren’t on it?
In addition, considering how many people talk about Marchment as the prototypical “power forward” the leafs need (which any team would need) he went for a paltry trade of mid picks. Let’s not overblow this guy’s abilities.I hope we hear of the Knies and JT signings soon though!
Dallas had to dump salary, they werent getting full value for him in a trade….so it impacted what they got.
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Chris Johnston mentioned that the Leafs may pivot to Mikael Granlund, for example, if Tavares walks.
CJ added the Leafs and Tavares are still “wide apart” on money. If the Leafs go long-term, that might help bridge the gap, but neither side is there yet. Both sides understand they’ll have to move, and with a week before July 1st, Tavares is still more likely to re-sign than not.
another problem is, if they dont sign Tavares… they could pivot to a worse player.
it always seems like other teams get an quick easy deal done… 80 point player Duchene signs for a ham sandwich and bottle of rum, Leafs and JT are far apart .. same ol stuff
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senstrolltwo
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Chris Johnston mentioned that the Leafs may pivot to Mikael Granlund, for example, if Tavares walks.CJ added the Leafs and Tavares are still “wide apart” on money. If the Leafs go long-term, that might help bridge the gap, but neither side is there yet. Both sides understand they’ll have to move, and with a week before July 1st, Tavares is still more likely to re-sign than not.
another problem is, if they dont sign Tavares… they could pivot to a worse player.
it always seems like other teams get an quick easy deal done… 80 point player Duchene signs for a ham sandwich and bottle of rum, Leafs and JT are far apart .. same ol stuff
I believe Duchene is also getting paid by Nashville for the next 4 years…another $2.5m per. So he’s gonna make about $7m per season in total.
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if JT was getting money from another contract, the leafs and JT would still be “wide apart”, thats how it works
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if JT was getting money from another contract, the leafs and JT would still be “wide apart”, thats how it works …Sensie
Truth. Are you saying that if JT is getting an allowance from his mom the Leafs won’t get a discount?!
Seriously though …..Duchene at 4.5M in Dallas gets to shove ~2.9M in his pocket every year. Leafs will have to go ~$6M x 4 for JT to do the same.
Also ..I’m sure Tree is pointing out Nelson is a year younger (and will age/skate better) then JT so that 7.5M comp needs to be viewed accordingly. Fine, you’re a year older so maybe 7.5M x 2 is the comp ..now stick 3 years on the end at $4M, $1M, and $1M …and now you get that down to $21M over 5 yrs. Maybe you have to bump it a bit to account for tax differences.
My limits for JT would be something like …
5×4.6 (8,8,4,2,1)
4×5.5 (8,8,4,2)
3×6.3 (7.5,7.5,4)If he doesn’t like it so be it ….he did nothing significant in the playoffs and is declining. You can rent JT’s at the deadline without destroying your cap for years.
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senstrolltwo
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sure, but he certainly could have gotten more regardlessSure I guess. But its easier to make a deal when you are already pulling in $2.5- 3m per year without a contract.
Also, I dont believe Dallas has high taxes.
In JT’s situation, he has to agree to a deal thats competitive to what he could get on the open market while also making sure the structure doesnt get him into tax trouble again.
The leafs also have Marner and knies to deal with as well.So a little more complicated I guess.
Im sure the leafs will overpay whoever they sign in the 2 weeks
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My limits for JT would be something like …
5×4.6 (8,8,4,2,1)
4×5.5 (8,8,4,2)
3×6.3 (7.5,7.5,4)If he doesn’t like it so be it ….he did nothing significant in the playoffs and is declining. You can rent JT’s at the deadline without destroying your cap for years.
im the same, those numbers are fine, but wouldnt do something like 7mx3, just move on. stick to your numbers
also I could see him getting UFA offers like 7 or 8m x 4 or 5 years
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Lawsie
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if JT was getting money from another contract, the leafs and JT would still be “wide apart”, thats how it works …Sensie
Truth. Are you saying that if JT is getting an allowance from his mom the Leafs won’t get a discount?!
Seriously though …..Duchene at 4.5M in Dallas gets to shove ~2.9M in his pocket every year. Leafs will have to go ~$6M x 4 for JT to do the same.
Also ..I’m sure Tree is pointing out Nelson is a year younger (and will age/skate better) then JT so that 7.5M comp needs to be viewed accordingly. Fine, you’re a year older so maybe 7.5M x 2 is the comp ..now stick 3 years on the end at $4M, $1M, and $1M …and now you get that down to $21M over 5 yrs. Maybe you have to bump it a bit to account for tax differences.My limits for JT would be something like …
5×4.6 (8,8,4,2,1)
4×5.5 (8,8,4,2)
3×6.3 (7.5,7.5,4)$6m over 4 years is the highest I would go…maybe 5 x 5….but I’d prefer 4 years max. Its the leafs, so they’ll have to do 5 years.
$7m per is simply too high….I feel the same with Marchand….$8m per would be a waste of Marner’s cap.
As I mentioned in the other blog…stack the D
“I think P Kane stays in Detroit, but he would be a great add.
Get some depth in the bottom 6…add Tanev, P Suter
Grab some 1 year contract peeps
Sign Ekblad
Keep Morgan (probably no choice) and load up on D
Sign P Kane, tanev, P suter, and 1 year deals, bring up cowan
On D have:
Ekblad and Carlo/Tanev?
Mccabe and Tanev/Carlo
Rielly and OEL
Benoit.
Shelter Rielly, boost his confidence and trade value.
Trade him next off season.This allows the team to rest Tanev and OEL more often and really stacks our D for once.”
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E. Kane is being trade to the Canucks ????
I was hoping the Leafs could snag himEvander Kane sucks ass at that cap hit. He missed the entire season and that’s probably the only reason he was decent in the playoffs. His body has been through a lot of damage. He’s not worth that cap hit anymore.
Leafs dodged a bullet. But if Canucks are willing to take shit players so Morgan Rielly to Vancouver can happen.
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Evander Kane sucks ass at that cap hit. He missed the entire season and that’s probably the only reason he was decent in the playoffs. His body has been through a lot of damage. He’s not worth that cap hit anymore.
Leafs dodged a bullet. But if Canucks are willing to take shit players so Morgan Rielly to Vancouver can happen.yeah keep dreaming. he ain’t going anywhere for now.
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a 4th rounder for this year draft.oh! man.
Yup and no salary retained. The oilers must have someone on their radar….that and clearing cap space for Bouchard.
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dmnted
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a 4th rounder for this year draft.oh! man.
Yup and no salary retained. The oilers must have someone on their radar….that and clearing cap space for Bouchard.
I think it’s just that they need the cap space badly to sign Bouchard because Dry Saddle jumps from 8.5 last year to 14M this year.
I heard it on Spittin’ Chicklets when Biz was chriping Whitney but it’s kinda true – Oilers are about to enter their “Core 4” era.
Mc Jesus – 12.5
Nurse – 9.25
Bouchard – 10M?
I mean at least it’s 2 F and 2 D but still this is going to put them in a tight spot. Hearing they are going to also try to trade Arvidsson just to clear space and I read that an offer sheet for Bouchard may occur.
Nice to read about these things and it not be about the Leafs for a change. lol
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yeah keep dreaming. he ain’t going anywhere for now.
Unless Vancouver trades Hughes to NJD, then I could possibly see a 3 way deal involving Rielly with possibility of Hamilton going to the Leafs.Hughes will not stay in Vancouver long term. And I don’t blame him. One of the worst places in North America to live and he wants to play with his brothers.
They’re going to need Rielly, home town boy, to replace part of his production.
Rielly to Vancouver or Seattle can be done, just a matter of the Leafs actually having the balls to push Rielly out the door.
Doubt very much New Jersey would trade Hamilton to Toronto, don’t think they could afford to fit him anyway.
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I think it’s just that they need the cap space badly to sign Bouchard because Dry Saddle jumps from 8.5 last year to 14M this year.
I heard it on Spittin’ Chicklets when Biz was chriping Whitney but it’s kinda true – Oilers are about to enter their “Core 4” era.Mc Jesus – 12.5
Nurse – 9.25
Bouchard – 10M?
I mean at least it’s 2 F and 2 D but still this is going to put them in a tight spot. Hearing they are going to also try to trade Arvidsson just to clear space and I read that an offer sheet for Bouchard may occur.
Nice to read about these things and it not be about the Leafs for a change. lolWell at least two of their core 4 will be the best players in the league, ones that do well in the playoffs and at least their team has consistently made it past the 2nd round.
They have $16m in cap space…$10 of that will be eaten up by bouchard.
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Well at least two of their core 4 will be the best players in the league, ones that do well in the playoffs and at least their team has consistently made it past the 2nd round.
They have $16m in cap space…$10 of that will be eaten up by bouchard.
Unless they do a bouchard for Dobson trade? – FakeDon’t like ruin my high bro….I was trying to make myself feel better! lol
Sadly you are right though, 2 of the core 4 (hell Bouchard was a monster 2 years ago in the playoffs too, Nurse is, well Nurse) if the Leafs core had gotten to the cup finals back to back years I’d be all aboard the run it back train!
I do feel like Bouchard is going to be overpaid regardless where he goes, he has a cannon but his Defensive game is m’eh at beast IMO.
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dmnted
ParticipantHe has a NMC, so he will need to approve the trade destination.
They will also need the cap space for a goalie. I’d say between 6.5M to 8M depending who they target.They wont be spending that kind of money on a goalie. They could move out pickard ($1m) or either skinner ($2.6m) and spend about $5m on a goalie.
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dmnted
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Not if they trade for Swayman or Gibson.Why would the oilers be interested in either? Gibson sucks, swayman is ok but too expensive.
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Why would the oilers be interested in either? Gibson sucks, swayman is ok but too expensive.
Besides, Im sure there would be cap retention unless the oilers are unloading a contract of their own the other way.-FakeTo answer your ? as to why – it’s the Oilers! The same Oilers who thought Soupy was the solution to their goaltending woes….I could totally see them going after either of those guys (Gibson or Swayman) to be honest. Not sure what other options are out there and available – maybe they can get Vancouver to trade them Demko since they have Lankinen and Silovs as well.
Demko will be going into his final year of his current deal at 5M.
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Why would the oilers be interested in either? Gibson sucks, swayman is ok but too expensive.
Besides, Im sure there would be cap retention unless the oilers are unloading a contract of their own the other way.cause they need a goalie and I think the only way for the Oilers to get one is to trade for one.
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dmnted
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cause they need a goalie and I think the only way for the Oilers to get one is to trade for one.
Those were some names that were mentioned. The other was the Utah goalie.A trade is definitely an option, or they could sign Jake Allen or someone via FA. Maybe Allen on a 3 year x $4.5 – 5m deal and trade one of their current goalies.
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Cush29
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To answer your ? as to why – it’s the Oilers! The same Oilers who thought Soupy was the solution to their goaltending woes….I could totally see them going after either of those guys (Gibson or Swayman) to be honest. Not sure what other options are out there and available – maybe they can get Vancouver to trade them Demko since they have Lankinen and Silovs as well.Demko will be going into his final year of his current deal at 5M.
Demko could be an option…not sure Vancity would want him in Edmonton though…but who knows.
I could see the oilers going after Jake allen…..maybe a on a 3 year deal.
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interesting wrinkle
PuckPedia
With word that in new CBA contracts will be limited to 7 years to re-sign or 6 years w/ new team, there’s a big choice for ‘26 free agents:Sign 8 years with their current team from July 1 until next June 30, otherwise they can only sign for 6 years if they go to market July 1
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Sounds like the new CBA is going to reduce the percentage of a contract that a signing bonus can be. Is this not going to make it EVEN HARDER for Canadian teams to attract US talent?!? Not only are they not addressing the tax advantages the US has over Canada, they’re making it damn near impossible to attract US players north of the border.
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Finally figured out how to get account deleted at HB!
I have been banned now – and read the message that said if I get caught logging in under different user an or something like that, so an alt – I risk permanent account deletion.
So, if I can figure out how to create an alt I can announce that I am in the site under an alt and hope they delete account as result.
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anyone see this
Frank Seravalli: If it’s an 8 year deal for Matthew Knies, it’s going to be north of 10; it’s probably going to end up being a 5 year deal – DFO Rundown
ok then.
peterka just got 5 x 7.7 ..so I guess around that thenGuenther in Arizona might be the perfect comparison for Knies. Age, numbers, ….it’s all very close. He signed 8 x 7.14 before the season (early extension). Peterka, a year older then both so there’s one less year of control, slightly better resume because of the extra year, and he gets 7.7 x 5 from Zona’ too.
Leafs need to prioritize signing guys earlier rather than waiting for them to build their resumes and for the Cap to go up.
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senstrolltwo
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anyone see thisFrank Seravalli: If it’s an 8 year deal for Matthew Knies, it’s going to be north of 10; it’s probably going to end up being a 5 year deal – DFO Rundown
ok then.
peterka just got 5 x 7.7 ..so I guess around that thenThere is no world where knies should get more than Peterka on a 5 year deal, if so than Tre needs to be removed.
Knies had one 50+ pt season with 29 goals
Peterka has had two, along with two seasons of 27 and 28 goals WITHOUT playing with Matthews.
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There is no world where knies should get more than Peterka on a 5 year deal, if so than Tre needs to be removed.
Knies had one 50+ pt season with 29 goals
Peterka has had two, along with two seasons of 27 and 28 goals WITHOUT playing with Matthews.
Knies should get 5 x 7m max.oh I agree
But also, at the time Marner shouldnt have gotten 10.9 when all the comps were under 10
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I “think” ..if they’re comparing the Peterka contract to Knies that the true comps would be 6 x $7M. RFA years worth less than UFA years and Peterka was selling 3 RFA and 2 UFA years. Knies is selling 4 RFA years plus additional UFA years. I’d say Leafs end up doing a 3 yr deal or 6+. 6 or 7 would make sense for both b/c Knies would be 28 or 29 for his next big ticket. Or maybe he takes an 8 yr deal while it’s still available and he’d still be 29/30 when he’s able to negotiate the next one.
6x7M or 7×7.5M or 8×8 ish
But, leafiness and taxes probably end up changing the logic.
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really wish the Leafs were able to get Dobson
25yo top pair rhd ..good defense.The leafs have no trade stock, anything they had was moved for a 4th dman and 4th line center.
Besides, I cant see Islanders moving their top Dman to Toronto even if TO had the assets.Nurse could be on the move as well.
8 years for Frederic?
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oh I know that, but another reason for me to question Tre moves.
Would be nice if they could move Rielly and get some assets. but thats a dream world
Imagine the market for a LHD over 30 that can’t run your PP, sucks defensively, randomly performs great if he’s feeling it and generally is a guy who skates around doing nothing at 7.5mil?
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oh I know that, but another reason for me to question Tre moves.Yup his and Dubas’ moves. Dubas kinda screwed Tre with not much in the cupboard and Tre moved out what little we had for depth players.
I really dont know if Tre can properly “change” the DNA of the leafs. Overpaying for Marchand or Bennett is simply not the answer….specially Marchand. I dont want to see him on the leafs, as he wont be utilized as successfully as he was in Florida. In florida he was a 3rd liner playing with other really good 3rd liners against weaker lines. In Toronto, they’ll have him on the 2nd or top line….rendering him much less effective. -
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yes, johnny hometown discount!!
8.3 aav market Value, thats my boy JT
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yes, johnny hometown discount!!
8.3 aav market Value, thats my boy JT
WOW. UG going to blow his mind with this deal.
I thought his AAV would be higher by 1~2 M.
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WOW. UG going to blow his mind with this deal.
I thought his AAV would be higher by 1~2 M.
Now find a 2LW to play with him. ????????oh yeah that donkey will hate it, so thats how you know its a solid signing
I thought it would have to be 5 or 6 years to get it close to 5.Mitch will want 15 or 16 now from the leafs since JT left 2 mil on the table, Mitch is running fast to scoop it up
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Elliot reporting Dobson to Montreal with an extension of 9.5M x 8 years.
https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938655064299573658
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Elliot reporting Dobson to Montreal with an extension of 9.5M x 8 years.https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938655064299573658
Wow
FACK OFF!!! NOOOOOO
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You really think this signing puts the Habs in a better place than the Leafs? I don’t, not right now anyway.As always time will tell.
I dont yet know whats going the other way to the Islanders…but ya…this is a great add.
Still so early (not even July 1st)…but Im Shania’ing……the leafs dont impress me much.
Cant wait to listen to the media splurge all over Montreal all season…..and stupid florida.
Gross.(Im being dramatic with the “catapult” thing….but I do think this drastically improves the habs)
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wounder if the Habs parted ways with one of there 1st round picks
2 of them!
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Habs gave up 2 x 1st round picks this year (16 and 17 overall) + an NHL player (Emil Heineman) just to get Dobson so it will be interesting to see over the years who wins this trade. Cush 29
To me Montreal is already a winner, and the Isles “could” be as well. Montreal already have an impressive cupboard of prospects. To trade the potential of the 16th and 17th pic for an established, and barely entering his prime 1st pairing D. is just what the Docotor ordered for Montreal.
Should the Isles use those pics to move up in the draft and they acquire the player they want, they could be winners as well if said prospect ends up being solid.
The potential for a win/win is pretty high.
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Leafs getting Marchand?!?!?!? Seems like an overpay, but…I heard 4 x $9m….absolutely horrible imo. Marchand played great in Florida because he was on the 3rd line with other good players, facing lesser comp. Here he will be 2nd or top line facing stiffer comp.
Also, they moved away from marner’s 10.9 or soon to be 13 to spend 9m of it on a 36 year old? WTF.Horrible if true.
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I wounder if the Habs parted ways with one of there 1st round picks
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Worth it IMO1st off FYI everyone if you click “quote” on the person you are replying to it seems to now quote them and open up a reply which is awesome!
2. Not sure if it’s worth it (yet). The 2 x 1st round picks + a player that people are perhaps underestimating is a big price for an RFA IMO.
The player the Habs traded was Emil Heineman – 23 year old Sweedish winger who is 6’2 and 200 lbs and scored 10 goals last year. He could grow into a nice player for the Islanders.
Like I said this will an interesting one to see how each team faired in this trade over the years.
If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
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The Habs deal with Dobson is a steal. The Habs are on the move up the standings. When you get the best player in the trade, you usually win. The Habs have a good young core in place and with Dobson in the fold, their defense is as good as the Leafs. Leafs window is only open for a couple of more years, with Ottawa, Montreal and Detroit making their move in the Atlantic.
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Habs gave up 2 x 1st round picks this year (16 and 17 overall) + an NHL player (Emil Heineman) just to get Dobson so it will be interesting to see over the years who wins this trade. Cush 29
To me Montreal is already a winner, and the Isles “could” be as well. Montreal already have an impressive cupboard of prospects. To trade the potential of the 16th and 17th pic for an established, and barely entering his prime 1st pairing D. is just what the Docotor ordered for Montreal.
Should the Isles use those pics to move up in the draft and they acquire the player they want, they could be winners as well if said prospect ends up being solid.
The potential for a win/win is pretty high.
I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team. I have no idea why as I don’t watch the Islanders but you have to wonder why to some degree. Maybe last year was a blip, Habs fans will be hoping so but the pressure will ramp up for this kid now coming to Montreal riding a newly signed 9.5M contract per year.
As a neutral observer IMO neither team is a winner (or loser) in this yet. That won’t be clear until Dobson starts to play with the Habs and the Islanders get their new winger onboard and playing and make their draft picks (and to your point they pan out or don’t) we just really don’t know yet.
I don’t disagree from a strategy perspective this is a deal that makes sense for Montreal but it’s a risk (as is any trade).
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I wounder if the Habs parted ways with one of there 1st round picks
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Worth it IMO1st off FYI everyone if you click “quote” on the person you are replying to it seems to now quote them and open up a reply which is awesome!
2. Not sure if it’s worth it (yet). The 2 x 1st round picks + a player that people are perhaps underestimating is a big price for an RFA IMO.
The player the Habs traded was Emil Heineman – 23 year old Sweedish winger who is 6’2 and 200 lbs and scored 10 goals last year. He could grow into a nice player for the Islanders.
Like I said this will an interesting one to see how each team faired in this trade over the years.
If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
WELL HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO QUOTE button!!!
The habs cupboards are pretty darn full, they are now entering win now mode.
Their top 4 d are now Guhle/Dobson and MAtheson/Hutson….thats pretty darn good…..three of which are really young.
Sure the swedish winger could turn into something more than a 10 goal scorer and who knows what happens to those mid first rounders in a draft that apparently after the 8th pick is pretty meh (so Ive read).
But for now, huge win for the habs.
I hate it.
I hate that I have to type something positive about those sacks of poop.🙁
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I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team. I have no idea why as I don’t watch the Islanders but you have to wonder why to some degree. Maybe last year was a blip, Habs fans will be hoping so but the pressure will ramp up for this kid now coming to Montreal riding a newly signed 9.5M contract per year.
As a neutral observer IMO neither team is a winner (or loser) in this yet. That won’t be clear until Dobson starts to play with the Habs and the Islanders get their new winger onboard and playing and make their draft picks (and to your point they pan out or don’t) we just really don’t know yet.
I don’t disagree from a strategy perspective this is a deal that makes sense for Montreal but it’s a risk (as is any trade).
i wouldn’t put much into Dobson plus minus.
at 5v5 he was +3 , hes out with empty net so get a lot of minuses. dumb stathis stats slipped last season, but the team as a whole did
I hate liking this move for the scabs
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JT has $2m in deferred compensation
full no move clause the first 2 years
5 team trade list the last 2 years.Yup, all of those are perfectly fine.
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JT has $2m in deferred compensation
full no move clause the first 2 years
5 team trade list the last 2 years.Yup, all of those are perfectly fine.
Agreed.
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The Habs deal with Dobson is a steal. The Habs are on the move up the standings. When you get the best player in the trade, you usually win. The Habs have a good young core in place and with Dobson in the fold, their defense is as good as the Leafs. Leafs window is only open for a couple of more years, with Ottawa, Montreal and Detroit making their move in the Atlantic.
This quote button is like an early Christmas in July!
True the Habs definatley got the best player in this deal right now and it’s not even close. Determining if this is a steal of a deal for them, a fair deal or a bad deal (unlikely IMO) will take years to really figure out since you don’t know what you have in a draft pick for years.
Windows open and close, I’m not convinced the quick ‘rebuild’ vs a complete one isn’t going to be something more and more teams figure out how to do but really it comes down to if players will sign deals that allow teams to do so.
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Leafs getting Marchand?!?!?!? Seems like an overpay, but…I heard 4 x $9m….absolutely horrible imo. Marchand played great in Florida because he was on the 3rd line with other good players, facing lesser comp. Here he will be 2nd or top line facing stiffer comp.
Also, they moved away from marner’s 10.9 or soon to be 13 to spend 9m of it on a 36 year old? WTF.Horrible if true.
Hope its not.I agree …$9 over 4 years is too much. Two years …fine. But year 3 and 4 have to see that number drop. 9,9,5,1 = $6Mx4 …that’d feel a lot better.
Also – Marchand wasn’t really sheltered. His most common match ups against the Leafs were 88 and 91 and against the Oilers were McJesus and Draisatl. That Lundell/Marchand line got some of the most difficult assignments and they generally kicked ass.
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This quote button is like an early Christmas in July!
True the Habs definatley got the best player in this deal right now and it’s not even close. Determining if this is a steal of a deal for them, a fair deal or a bad deal (unlikely IMO) will take years to really figure out since you don’t know what you have in a draft pick for years.
Windows open and close, I’m not convinced the quick ‘rebuild’ vs a complete one isn’t going to be something more and more teams figure out how to do but really it comes down to if players will sign deals that allow teams to do so.
Just smoked a bowl on a shaded front porch, grabbed my phone, opened the page, saw this post first, tried it out and oh boy ????❤️
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I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team Cush29
The entire Islanders team had a rough year last year…lol
But to me, why the Habs are already winners is because they are getting an establsihed 1st line D, not even in his prime yet. He is certainly not one of the best in the league by any means, but he is a 1st line D nonetheless. Like I said, this could still very well pan out for New-York, but those picks could just as easily both be busts. It’s a very good extablsihed player for just potential. If these where top 10 pics, I would change my tune though.
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If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
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where are people seeing anything about Marchand and the leafs?
I got texted by a Boston fan, and there were multiple obscure websites reporting it. I’m not really sure how it’s possible, would this not be textbook tampering?!?
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cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
the leafs trade 2 unknown unprotected 1sts, which is a lot worse.
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where are people seeing anything about Marchand and the leafs?
I got texted by a Boston fan, and there were multiple obscure websites reporting it. I’m not really sure how it’s possible, would this not be textbook tampering?!?
I just assume tampering isnt really a thing, or nobody really cares. everyone does it and its fine
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Two quick observations:
– Tavares on the open market would have received over $7M easy. In fact, some dumb GM would have probably given him $8M. He took a huge paycut to stay in Toronto.
– Montreal is a fantastic place to sit on a patio and watch the pretty ladies walk by. The talent level in this town is much higher than their hockey team.
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Two quick observations:
– Tavares on the open market would have received over $7M easy. In fact, some dumb GM would have probably given him $8M. He took a huge paycut to stay in Toronto.
– Montreal is a fantastic place to sit on a patio and watch the pretty ladies walk by. The talent level in this town is much higher than their hockey team.
It is. Lots of beautiful ladies in Montreal.
The same could be said of Toronto and Ottawa as well
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If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
I feel like it COULD be similar to Phaneuf. In that he had a really high ceiling in his first few years then tapered off to just a “good” D-man. I hope it doesn’t but that’s kind of where my mind went on this trade. Wouldn’t be the first time a young d-man got traded and kind of slid in his career.
BJ’s getting a couple centers the last couple days. Just depth.
JT signing is DNA change. He could have got 7 million on the open market but he wants to win in his hometown. He took a real discount. Show Knies if he wants to be here then to take what’s offered and win.
I keep hearing via media how “depth” is the reason Florida won the cup but it seems glossed over that the reason they had depth was because they had 9 million on LTIR before the playoffs so they could acquire the depth. Where are the panthers without Jones/Marchand? Leafs are way closer than we think as fans if this is the benchmark.
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This upcoming year will the last year of LTIR abuse.
It’s going to be horrifying to watch teams abuse it one last time.
Unless the Leafs do it.
I had heard briefly by Pierre Lebrun that some clauses would go into effect for the upcoming season. I’m surprised if the LTIR one isn’t one of them.
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Great move from JT but don’t expect the same from Knies. Tavares has earned over $111M n his career and this is his last contract. Knies has earned less than $2M and this contract will set the basis for future deals.
So he has to take 9 million and no in between? I would hope Knies takes something like 6mil x 4 years
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This upcoming year will the last year of LTIR abuse.
It’s going to be horrifying to watch teams abuse it one last time.
Unless the Leafs do it.
Those morons don’t know what LTIR is outside of a guy with a bad cough who makes 1.5mil.
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This upcoming year will the last year of LTIR abuse.
It’s going to be horrifying to watch teams abuse it one last time.
Unless the Leafs do it.
Those morons don’t know what LTIR is outside of a guy with a bad cough who makes 1.5mil.
Dude: are you really forgetting the Riley Nash deal?
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My guess is that he’ll get more than most fans would like but less than what he was looking for. My point is simply that you can’t compare his situation with JT’s decision to sign a sweetheart deal.
If he isn’t signed by July 1, I predict an offer sheet, which will force the Leafs’ hand.
In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s what Knies’ agent is banking on.
Pun intended.
How’s the Left Coast, Cupsie? We are headed out there in about a month – Sunshine Coast.
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It’s pretty sweet here on Salt Spring. The place is gorgeous and quite chill. Half the population looks like they came straight here from Woodstock. Not many restaurants but lots of nice food trucks. Winter was pretty quiet but the place is jumping now. We’ve got a great view looking across to Vancouver Island and there are trails just across the street for the pup.
I’ve started golfing at sweet nine hole course 5 minutes away.
Not being able to get a family doctor sucks.
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Here is one of the places I saw it, not sure how legit the sporting news is.
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Great move from JT but don’t expect the same from Knies. Tavares has earned over $111M n his career and this is his last contract. Knies has earned less than $2M and this contract will set the basis for future deals.
Knies isnt worth more than $7m per over 5 years.
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If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
I feel like it COULD be similar to Phaneuf. In that he had a really high ceiling in his first few years then tapered off to just a “good” D-man. I hope it doesn’t but that’s kind of where my mind went on this trade. Wouldn’t be the first time a young d-man got traded and kind of slid in his career.
BJ’s getting a couple centers the last couple days. Just depth.
JT signing is DNA change. He could have got 7 million on the open market but he wants to win in his hometown. He took a real discount. Show Knies if he wants to be here then to take what’s offered and win.
I keep hearing via media how “depth” is the reason Florida won the cup but it seems glossed over that the reason they had depth was because they had 9 million on LTIR before the playoffs so they could acquire the depth. Where are the panthers without Jones/Marchand? Leafs are way closer than we think as fans if this is the benchmark.
Yeah I get Florida, TB and Vegas all abused this rule in the CBA and anyone can use it, okay that’s fine but it’s being closed because why have all these “winners” win only because they cheated?The habs got a number 1, hes pretty great. Imo
But i hope you are right in that i hope he turns into a phaneuf. The habs need a phaneufI actually believe the panthers were $19m over the cap.
What a joke.Why didnt the leafs do that?
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Two quick observations:
– Tavares on the open market would have received over $7M easy. In fact, some dumb GM would have probably given him $8M. He took a huge paycut to stay in Toronto.
– Montreal is a fantastic place to sit on a patio and watch the pretty ladies walk by. The talent level in this town is much higher than their hockey team.
LOL, it very much is. I go there often, but I am always amazed at the female gene pool they have going on over there.
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If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
cough**the Kessel trade**cough….
that what that trade makes me think of somewhat.
Except the leafs werent close to being a playoff team and those picks were unprotected.
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Not expecting much from the Leafs this weekend. Sure, they might do something with the bottom 6, but nothing spectacular. Hopefully, they can get a team to bite on Marner’s rights, so we actually get a return on this wanker. JT’s signing is OK, although I was hoping that they could have acquired a good defensive Centre, with a 20 goal pedigree that could have pushed JT to the 3rd Centre position. Maybe it’s too soon to tell, but there is a hole that needs filling at the 3C position. I imagine when Marner walks, they’ll look at someone like Ehlers to play in the top 6. I was hoping for Boezer but the price may be too high.
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Not expecting much from the Leafs this weekend. Sure, they might do something with the bottom 6, but nothing spectacular. Hopefully, they can get a team to bite on Marner’s rights, so we actually get a return on this wanker. JT’s signing is OK, although I was hoping that they could have acquired a good defensive Centre, with a 20 goal pedigree that could have pushed JT to the 3rd Centre position. Maybe it’s too soon to tell, but there is a hole that needs filling at the 3C position. I imagine when Marner walks, they’ll look at someone like Ehlers to play in the top 6. I was hoping for Boezer but the price may be too high.
Im hoping for Ekblad if available or Nate Schmidt/provorov, along with Tanev, P suter and P Kane (if he doesnt sign in Detroit). Ekblad would be our number 1 Dman and push Morgan down to 3rd line, our D would be great.
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Not expecting much from the Leafs this weekend. Sure, they might do something with the bottom 6, but nothing spectacular. Hopefully, they can get a team to bite on Marner’s rights, so we actually get a return on this wanker. JT’s signing is OK, although I was hoping that they could have acquired a good defensive Centre, with a 20 goal pedigree that could have pushed JT to the 3rd Centre position. Maybe it’s too soon to tell, but there is a hole that needs filling at the 3C position. I imagine when Marner walks, they’ll look at someone like Ehlers to play in the top 6. I was hoping for Boezer but the price may be too high.
I didn’t see any UFA 2nd line centers so I’ll take JT. The good news maybe it’s a trade for like Robertson,Minten or something and JT can slide to the wing/3rd. I like his new salary for when he does begin to slide. It won’t be an anchor.
JT still put up 38 goals last year. Not saying he does the same but he was definitely a 2nd line center in the NHL.
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Yawn……this draft blows. Next year…..Atlanta! Or not.
I always feel the draft is overrated. Usually a big trade on the weekend like the Dobson one but the actual draft is quite mid.
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Assuming Knies comes back at about ~ 7M the Leafs would have about 20.5M to spend with defence and g’tending filled out and …
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XXX-Laughton-XXXI don’t hate that top 6 to start. If Marner is walking and Marchand is too long/expensive then save your bullets for the trade deadline to add to the top 6. Spend a bunch on some really good 3rd liners. Maybe improve the D. Weaponize that cap space.
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Assuming Knies comes back at about ~ 7M the Leafs would have about 20.5M to spend with defence and g’tending filled out and …
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XXX-Laughton-XXXI don’t hate that top 6 to start. If Marner is walking and Marchand is too long/expensive then save your bullets for the trade deadline to add to the top 6. Spend a bunch on some really good 3rd liners. Maybe improve the D. Weaponize that cap space.
They have Reaves, Jarnkrok, Kampf to help fill that out already. Holmberg is RFA and so is Robertson. They pretty much have a roster IF they wanted to. I hope and believe they will make some changes but they have a lot of guys to take spots for the moment.
Personally, I can see Kampf,Jarnkrok moved. Maybe Reaves? Open up space for bringing back the likes of Patches and space for Cowan.
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Assuming Knies comes back at about ~ 7M the Leafs would have about 20.5M to spend with defence and g’tending filled out and …
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XXX-Laughton-XXXI don’t hate that top 6 to start. If Marner is walking and Marchand is too long/expensive then save your bullets for the trade deadline to add to the top 6. Spend a bunch on some really good 3rd liners. Maybe improve the D. Weaponize that cap space.
They have Reaves, Jarnkrok, Kampf to help fill that out already. Holmberg is RFA and so is Robertson. They pretty much have a roster IF they wanted to. I hope and believe they will make some changes but they have a lot of guys to take spots for the moment.
Personally, I can see Kampf,Jarnkrok moved. Maybe Reaves? Open up space for bringing back the likes of Patches and space for Cowan.
I can’t see anyone being interested in Reaves. If he retires his cap hit is a problem, but otherwise he’s either walking into LTIR or a Marlie that costs us $200k against the cap.
Kampf played in 1 playoff game, was -2 at 5v5 in the game, and his line was outshot 8-3. I can’t see them wanting him back. I know as a fan I don’t – for a defensive specialist, he loses too many battles and contributes too little.
Similarly it’s the second year in a row where Robertson was sat in the playoffs. I didn’t think he was awful this year, but while he isn’t good at defense, overall his line was better with him than they were without. It’s obvious the Leafs don’t want him and if I were him, I’d want out, too.
Jarnkrok . . . I mean, geez. He’s been pretty unimpressive. 30 playoff games with the Leafs, 1 goal, 3 assists and -4 at 5v5. He loses almost all his battles. Whatever it takes to jettison him, I’m for.
And Holmberg is a (sort of) tough call. You see these moments in his game where you think he might have more but then you realize he’s 26 and 95% of the time when tries to be fancy, it doesn’t work out and then he gets steamrolled for his efforts. He’s almost like a momentum machine for the other team. Realistically I think you can do better than him just about anywhere, but if they have loyalty, he could be a Marlie sitting on the depth charts.
I sincerely feel they need to get rid of all of those guys and just get a new bottom-6 that compliments Lorentz and Laughton and fits in with a higher level of compete and battle. I want them to win more puck battles than they lose – and our current bottom-6 loses WAY more puck battles than they win. And it should be noted that I am giving Laughton a fuckton of rope in this based on his previous play because he didn’t really impress in the blue & white last year.
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Friegebomb!
Marner to Vegas ….working on trade with Leafs to get rights.
Maybe just a pick next year ….Roy or Howden wouldn’t suck. Something bigger …Karlsson coming this way?
Maybe a 3rd so they can sign him to an 8 year deal and then trade him 3 years from now.
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Friegebomb!
Marner to Vegas ….working on trade with Leafs to get rights.
Maybe just a pick next year ….Roy or Howden wouldn’t suck. Something bigger …Karlsson coming this way?
Maybe a 3rd so they can sign him to an 8 year deal and then trade him 3 years from now.
Friedman saying Nic Roy included ..if it gets done. Big 3C fits.
Ya, hopefully he gets Vegas’d in a year or two and ends up in Shitsville.
Apparently he veto’d a few trades over the last year. Isles offered Dobson …Canes Rantanen. I think he’s been planning to end up in Vegas since last summer.
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Just with UFAs and moving out dead weight for draft capital or prospects, except B. Tanev use McMann or some other shit for him.
Knies, Matthews, P.Kane
Marchand, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, ROY, B. Tanev
Jeannot, Laughton, LorentzMcCabe, Tanev
Provorov, Carlo
OEL, SavardResign: Knies 8x$8.5 get it done long term and never think about it again.
Out: Rielly, Jarnkrok, Kampf, Holmberg, McMann, Reaves = $17.7M + $21.5M in actual Cap Space = $39.2M
In: P. Kane 2x$4m, Marchand 2x$8m, Tanev 1x$3.5 (UFA next season), Jeannot 4x$3m, Provorov 5x$7.5m, Savard 2x$4m = $28MTthe team is much stronger without Greedy Mitch and an actual home town deal from JT.
Works for me!
If we get Roy from Vegas, works fucking perfectly for me!!!
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Friedman saying Nic Roy included ..if it gets done. Big 3C fits.
Ya, hopefully he gets Vegas’d in a year or two and ends up in Shitsville.
Apparently he veto’d a few trades over the last year. Isles offered Dobson …Canes Rantanen. I think he’s been planning to end up in Vegas since last summer
Great, a 3rd line winger (he sucks at FOs, 47%) who has a big body and rarely uses it (less playoff hits than Marner). Sounds like a great playoff flop (2 goals, 4 points in his last 18 playoff games), 1st round exit strategy. Another Laughton with a bigger cap hit.
He’ll get closer to a Cup in Vegas than the Leafs will without him, just like Kadri, another player idiots ran out of town.
Just hoping the Leafs hit one diamond in the rough this year.. Not greedy.. Just one
Leafs are fantastic at drafting guys that are 5 years away from being 5 years away.
Better off trading every single pick they have in this draft for two-way, 2nd and 3rd line centers.
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Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
There is talk amongst league executives that Leafs have asked for Nicolas Roy and Nicolas Hague in return. It will be interesting to see if this happens.Fuck ya, Hague is a Toronto boy and 6’6″ 230lbs, lets goooo!
So then Leafs go with
Knies, Matthews, P. Kane
Marchand, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, B. Tanev
Jeannot, Laughton, LorentzMcCabe, Tanev
Hague, Carlo
Benoit, OELBOOM! Thank you and fuck you Marner.
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Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
There is talk amongst league executives that Leafs have asked for Nicolas Roy and Nicolas Hague in return. It will be interesting to see if this happens.Fuck ya, Hague is a Toronto boy and 6’6″ 230lbs, lets goooo!
So then Leafs go with
Knies, Matthews, P. Kane
Marchand, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, B. Tanev
Jeannot, Laughton, LorentzMcCabe, Tanev
Hague, Carlo
Benoit, OELBOOM! Thank you and fuck you Marner.
Forget marchand. What a waste of money he would be on the leafs.
Hes effective as a 3rd liner on a mi e with other good third liners. On the leafs, he’d play second line against tougher comp and wouldnt be as effective.
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Forget marchand. What a waste of money he would be on the leafs.
Hes effective as a 3rd liner on a mi e with other good third liners. On the leafs, he’d play second line against tougher comp and wouldnt be as effective.
Use the $8-9m on something else.I would live Marchand on a Tavares type deal but I do not want him at $8 mil
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Friegebomb!
Marner to Vegas ….working on trade with Leafs to get rights.
Maybe just a pick next year ….Roy or Howden wouldn’t suck. Something bigger …Karlsson coming this way?
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Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
There is talk amongst league executives that Leafs have asked for Nicolas Roy and Nicolas Hague in return. It will be interesting to see if this happens.Would have to get rid of Rielly or Benoit because the Leafs are already full on LHD and he’s an RFA with arbitration rights.
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I can’t see the Leafs getting both Roy and Hague, but that would be about the best scenario you could hope for.
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Forget marchand. What a waste of money he would be on the leafs.
Hes effective as a 3rd liner on a mi e with other good third liners. On the leafs, he’d play second line against tougher comp and wouldnt be as effective.
Use the $8-9m on something else.Agreed. Marchand can go cash in somewhere else.
He took a discount to stay with the bruins and now that he has this cup, why should he take another discount somewhere else? I’m sure someone will pay him $8 million but not the leafs (I hope). I do think if he wants to stay in Florida he takes a discount though.[/quote]
I don’t mind a bit of an overpay but not for 4 years
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I can’t see the Leafs getting both Roy and Hague, but that would be about the best scenario you could hope for.
Way more likely it’s one or the other, not both but more likely Roy because they have to clear his cap space, among others, to sign Marner.
Marner is going to look great holding that Cup over his head in Vegas.
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I can’t see the Leafs getting both Roy and Hague, but that would be about the best scenario you could hope for.
Marner is going to look great holding that Cup over his head in Vegas.
He’s WAY more likely to get run out of Vegas than he is to raise a cup there. Better make sure his NMC is rock solid.
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According to the reliable “some guy on X”, LA and the Ducks also interested. Seems like the only way any value would be coming back.
There is no chance he’s going to the hellscape that is California when the benefits of living and playing in Vegas are far better.
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Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
There is talk amongst league executives that Leafs have asked for Nicolas Roy and Nicolas Hague in return. It will be interesting to see if this happens.Would be a good bit of business if they get anything more than a 3rd rounder for his rights. Could we get Vegas to take Reaves or Kampf back too ….please?
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There is no chance he’s going to the hellscape that is California when the benefits of living and playing in Vegas are far better.
-Uggie
Just wanted to thank you for the mirth you have provided the past few days.
A guy who lives on Nobleton thinking that multi-millionaires can’t enjoy life in Vancouver or California has me laughing hysterically.
Keep watching Fox News, and keep allowing your failures in life to fuel your ridiculous posts.
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According to the reliable “some guy on X”, LA and the Ducks also interested. Seems like the only way any value would be coming back.
There is no chance he’s going to the hellscape that is California when the benefits of living and playing in Vegas are far better.
From a moron whos probably never been to cali.
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He’s WAY more likely to get run out of Vegas than he is to raise a cup there. Better make sure his NMC is rock solid.
Still don’t believe Vegas is going to pay him the money he wants.
They are heavy team and I doubt they are interested in very skilled, but soft player.
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-Uggie
Just wanted to thank you for the mirth you have provided the past few days.
A guy who lives on Nobleton thinking that multi-millionaires can’t enjoy life in Vancouver or California has me laughing hysterically.
Keep watching Fox News, and keep allowing your failures in life to fuel your ridiculous posts.[/quote]. ????
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Forget marchand. What a waste of money he would be on the leafs.
Hes effective as a 3rd liner on a mi e with other good third liners. On the leafs, he’d play second line against tougher comp and wouldnt be as effective.
Use the $8-9m on something else.[/quote]Agreed. Marchand can go cash in somewhere else.
He took a discount to stay with the bruins and now that he has this cup, why should he take another discount somewhere else? I’m sure someone will pay him $8 million but not the leafs (I hope). I do think if he wants to stay in Florida he takes a discount though.
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Forget marchand. What a waste of money he would be on the leafs.
Hes effective as a 3rd liner on a mi e with other good third liners. On the leafs, he’d play second line against tougher comp and wouldnt be as effective.
Use the $8-9m on something else.Agreed. Marchand can go cash in somewhere else.
He took a discount to stay with the bruins and now that he has this cup, why should he take another discount somewhere else? I’m sure someone will pay him $8 million but not the leafs (I hope). I do think if he wants to stay in Florida he takes a discount though.
I don’t mind a bit of an overpay but not for 4 years[/quote]
I wouldn’t do 4 years at that number either. I assume that’s coming from his camp. I like the idea of signing him over someone like Boeser but I’m thinking his value should be something more like $9M for two years then you tack on a couple low # yrs to lower the AAV. Maybe that get’s you down to 3x7M or 4x6M. If he doesn’t take it …move on.
Frankly I don’t hate the top 6 starting off like ..
Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-JT-McMannSpend some money on building up the bottom 6 on top of Laughton and Roy. Maybe shake up the D with a puck mover.
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Nice contract with Knies
Yup, the summer of Brad continues. Can’t wait for tomorrow.
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Nice contract with Knies
Yes, Knies AAV is $7.75 X 6 years. Sounds reasonable at this point.
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I concur.
Do we hear that Marner right have been trade to Vegas??????
Treliving has been negotiating with them
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Ok, I’m coming around on signing Marchand. Leafs need to bump Kampf and Jarnkrok off the ship after bonus day and if they do they’ll have about 19M to spend on a top 6 FWD and 4 bottom 6 replacements. Nab Roy as one of the pieces and you’ve still got 16M to spend. Sign Marchand to bigger money, shorter term (b/c they really don’t need to back end it and lower the AAV). Spend some money on good 1 yr deals on the 4th line.
If the dust settles this week and the lineup looks like …
Marchand-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Domi-Laughton-Roy
3 Heavy forechecking types…….I’m good. Maybe drop Laughton down a line and spend on another good 3rd liner.
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Hauge to Preds… Guess there is no trade for Marners rights
Hague was just a possibility, Roy was always the guy that it was probably going to be. With the return from Nashville, Vegas is loaded at center, Roy is gonna have to be moved to make room for Marner. That is assuming they’re actually pursuing him, but it certainly seems that way.
Doing a sign and trade also kinda gets Vegas off the hook for tampering allegations.
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Hague trade brings in Sissons (another bottom 6C). Roy to Toronto seems more likely.
hope it happens with Marner involved. But I could see it happening as a trade also on its own.
Preds are going to suck for a while, why are they paying 3rd pair that much?
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Hague trade brings in Sissons (another bottom 6C). Roy to Toronto seems more likely.
Pietrangelo will need to be on the LTIR as Vegas only has 757K on their cap and + 10% over during the summer.
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Ok, I’m coming around on signing Marchand. Leafs need to bump Kampf and Jarnkrok off the ship after bonus day and if they do they’ll have about 19M to spend on a top 6 FWD and 4 bottom 6 replacements. Nab Roy as one of the pieces and you’ve still got 16M to spend. Sign Marchand to bigger money, shorter term (b/c they really don’t need to back end it and lower the AAV). Spend some money on good 1 yr deals on the 4th line.
If the dust settles this week and the lineup looks like …
Marchand-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Domi-Laughton-Roy
3 Heavy forechecking types…….I’m good. Maybe drop Laughton down a line and spend on another good 3rd liner.
Sorry but marchand on the top line just isnt a good idea, the only reason he was effective with the panthers was because he was on the 3rd line.
$6m for marchand or he can piss off. Leafs will be screwed if they sign him for anything more than that…..he’s 37 for crying out loud.
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Hague trade brings in Sissons (another bottom 6C). Roy to Toronto seems more likely.
hope it happens with Marner involved. But I could see it happening as a trade also on its own.
Preds are going to suck for a while, why are they paying 3rd pair that much?
Ya, not sure. They look like they’re doing the Blackhawks thing (surrounding elite young players with overpaid vets) but without the elite young players. Someone needs to rescue Josi.
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Sorry but marchand on the top line just isnt a good idea, the only reason he was effective with the panthers was because he was on the 3rd line.
$6m for marchand or he can piss off. Leafs will be screwed if they sign him for anything more than that…..he’s 37 for crying out loud.
I hope to hell marchand is not a leaf.Id be fine with Marchand also, I dont care so much now about where he plays. its about lining up for the playoffs. His line played against tough matchups wasnt just softies.
Leafs just need to build out 3 lines that are tough to play against.
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Hague trade brings in Sissons (another bottom 6C). Roy to Toronto seems more likely.
Vegas will have to trim more salary to get marner under the cap, even at $12 x 4
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Ok, I’m coming around on signing Marchand. Leafs need to bump Kampf and Jarnkrok off the ship after bonus day and if they do they’ll have about 19M to spend on a top 6 FWD and 4 bottom 6 replacements. Nab Roy as one of the pieces and you’ve still got 16M to spend. Sign Marchand to bigger money, shorter term (b/c they really don’t need to back end it and lower the AAV). Spend some money on good 1 yr deals on the 4th line.
If the dust settles this week and the lineup looks like …
Marchand-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Domi-Laughton-Roy
3 Heavy forechecking types…….I’m good. Maybe drop Laughton down a line and spend on another good 3rd liner.
Sorry but marchand on the top line just isnt a good idea, the only reason he was effective with the panthers was because he was on the 3rd line.
$6m for marchand or he can piss off. Leafs will be screwed if they sign him for anything more than that…..he’s 37 for crying out loud.
I hope to hell marchand is not a leaf.Saw you post this a few times. Marchand/Lundell played against top lines (most common match up for Marchand was Nylander/Tavares and McDavid/Draisatl). His line generally won their minutes. He’s still got it. I’d bet on him being an elite top 6 F for another year or two then he backslides. If he goes short term I’d have no problem with them giving him 8+ but if he wants a 3rd and 4th year then those years need to bring the AAV down.
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Hague trade brings in Sissons (another bottom 6C). Roy to Toronto seems more likely.
Vegas will have to trim more salary to get marner under the cap, even at $12 x 4
Pietrangelo to LTIR and Roy traded gets them to 12.5M in space for Marner.
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Sorry but marchand on the top line just isnt a good idea, the only reason he was effective with the panthers was because he was on the 3rd line.
$6m for marchand or he can piss off. Leafs will be screwed if they sign him for anything more than that…..he’s 37 for crying out loud.
I hope to hell marchand is not a leaf.Id be fine with Marchand also, I dont care so much now about where he plays. its about lining up for the playoffs. His line played against tough matchups wasnt just softies.
Leafs just need to build out 3 lines that are tough to play against.
37 years old. Hes not the answer for $8 – $9m and hes simply not a top/2nd line player on a playoff team that wants to win the cup (sure he could fill in on the 2nd, but its not the best place for him).
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Leafs have $13m in cap and desparately need to improv their bottom 6.
Wasting $8m – 9m on Marchand is simply not a good idea and honestly doesnt move the needle much come playoff time as it would take cap away from getting quality bottom 6 players.
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37 years old. Hes not the answer for $8 – $9m and hes simply not a top/2nd line player on a playoff team that wants to win the cup.
Just another player the leafs will miscast.Leafs need the player who elevate in the playoffs. Id hope that Tre wouldnt hand out a stupid deal. if its too much, then sure pass and move on.
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Leafs have $13m in cap and desparately need to improv their bottom 6.
Wasting $8m – 9m on Marchand is simply not a good idea and honestly doesnt move the needle much come playoff time as it would take cap away from getting quality bottom 6 players.
Sign P Kane if you can, get some quality players for the bottom 6 on short term deals. Save most of the cap for next off seasonKane is also 36
Leafs have 14.5 in space, if you dont count Myers. But could also move a couple players to make more room.
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Jarnkrok becomes 775k on a 1 yr deal around noon tomorrow (Cap hit stays at 2.1) so he should be easy to move. Kampf less so but he’ll be ~ 1.7M over two years in cash so there’s hope.
Leafs look like this to me so far …
XXX-Math-Nyl
Kni-Tava-XXX
Dom-Roy-McM
XXX-Lau-XXXIf they find homes for Kampf and Jarnkrok then they’ll have about $16.2M to fill things out (and that includes the overage salaries for Patches, Reaves and Benning).
Maybe they can move the rights to Robertson and Holmberg for stuff too.
Probably enough to add Marchand, a middle six RW, and a pair of torpedo’s to play on the fourth line. I like Jeannot on the 4th if he’s willing to be $2M or less and short term.
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Leafs have $13m in cap and desparately need to improv their bottom 6.
Wasting $8m – 9m on Marchand is simply not a good idea and honestly doesnt move the needle much come playoff time as it would take cap away from getting quality bottom 6 players.
Sign P Kane if you can, get some quality players for the bottom 6 on short term deals. Save most of the cap for next off seasonKane is also 36
Leafs have 14.5 in space, if you dont count Myers. But could also move a couple players to make more room.
Yes Kane is a year younger and would be about 2 – 3 million cheaper….and probably spend less time in the penalty box.
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Jarnkrok becomes 775k on a 1 yr deal around noon tomorrow (Cap hit stays at 2.1) so he should be easy to move. Kampf less so but he’ll be ~ 1.7M over two years in cash so there’s hope.
Leafs look like this to me so far …
XXX-Math-Nyl
Kni-Tava-XXX
Dom-Roy-McM
XXX-Lau-XXXIf they find homes for Kampf and Jarnkrok then they’ll have about $16.2M to fill things out (and that includes the overage salaries for Patches, Reaves and Benning).
Maybe they can move the rights to Robertson and Holmberg for stuff too.
Probably enough to add Marchand, a middle six RW, and a pair of torpedo’s to play on the fourth line. I like Jeannot on the 4th if he’s willing to be $2M or less and short term.
I dont see any issues in moving these low end guys. They are certainly NHL players with a bit of cost certainty. The cap is going up so Kampf’s deal won’t hinder a team taking him on. So hopefully some basic moves in the coming weeks.
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Jarnkrok becomes 775k on a 1 yr deal around noon tomorrow (Cap hit stays at 2.1) so he should be easy to move. Kampf less so but he’ll be ~ 1.7M over two years in cash so there’s hope.
Leafs look like this to me so far …
XXX-Math-Nyl
Kni-Tava-XXX
Dom-Roy-McM
XXX-Lau-XXXIf they find homes for Kampf and Jarnkrok then they’ll have about $16.2M to fill things out (and that includes the overage salaries for Patches, Reaves and Benning).
Maybe they can move the rights to Robertson and Holmberg for stuff too.
Probably enough to add Marchand, a middle six RW, and a pair of torpedo’s to play on the fourth line. I like Jeannot on the 4th if he’s willing to be $2M or less and short term.
I tend to think it’s more like:
Knies-Matthews-1RW
2LW-Tavares-Nylander
Domi-3C-McMann
4LW-Laughton-4RWI think most people are roughly of the opinion that Kampf, Jarnkrok and Robertson are probably not back. Ironically Jarnkrok was one of the best defensive forwards in the playoffs but he just contributed so little offensively, that his decent xGA and GA numbers were still lost minutes. REgardless, the above leaves about $20.7m (noting that it excludes a 13F or 7D, which you do need to have room to support) -I’m not sure if the Leafs have any carry-over bonuses attributable, but Reaves & Benning net out to $300k after buried salaries.
I don’t think Marchand is going to be available. I think Florida can swing both him and Bennett and they let Ekblad hit the market.
The top options on the right side are probably Boeser ($8.5m) or Kane ($4m?) and on the left side are probably Ehlers ($8.5m) and Mangiapane ($4m)
Internal promotion of Domi to 1RW is a possibility. Playing with Matthews and Knies might offer him more protection defensively.
I like the opportunity here to really revamp the entire bottom 6 into a more checking/physical entity – which would sort of leave Domi out of that mix. Guys like Tanev ($2m), Lorentz ($1.5m), Faksa ($1.5m), Jeannot ($1.5m), Bjugstad ($2.5m), Suter ($4.5m) could remake the bottom 6 into a more effective group – but that 1RW spot is going to be a big gap. If we could get a guy like Mangiapane on 2LW, it might an affordable option. Guys like Drouin or Skinner are affordable options but they are defensive liabilities who probably are the opposite of what Tavares/Nylander would need.
I’d be suitably happy if they managed to sign Ekblad and got Rielly to waive his NMC, but that doesn’t feel plausible.
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Nice breakdown M.P.
I’ve been a big proponent of breaking up JT/Willie …for me they don’t work when it matters. I’ve always been of the opinion that JT’s one of those guys that works best with a pair of grindy mobile wingers. Okposo, Moulson, etc…. I’d give him Knies and McMann (or someone new) and let them role. Nylander is dying for an excuse to be that guy that looked like the best player in the world for 4 months (pre-contract). He wants more minutes, more responsibility, etc… put him with Matthews and play them 22 mins per night. I like the idea of Marchand barking in both their ears. I think/hope that Marchand and Nylander help elevate 34.
For me that’s how I’d draw up the top 6 for the playoffs.
I still think Laughton has some 3rd line in him. Him, Domi, Roy could be good. Love your 4th line options …Jeannot and Tanev would be instant energy every time they’re on the ice. Laughton could centre them or add a 4th line PK/Banger.
I’m with you ..I don’t see Rielly waiving so I’m expecting the D to look the same.
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Nice breakdown M.P.
I’ve been a big proponent of breaking up JT/Willie …for me they don’t work when it matters. I’ve always been of the opinion that JT’s one of those guys that works best with a pair of grindy mobile wingers. Okposo, Moulson, etc…. I’d give him Knies and McMann (or someone new) and let them role. Nylander is dying for an excuse to be that guy that looked like the best player in the world for 4 months (pre-contract). He wants more minutes, more responsibility, etc… put him with Matthews and play them 22 mins per night. I like the idea of Marchand barking in both their ears. I think/hope that Marchand and Nylander help elevate 34.
For me that’s how I’d draw up the top 6 for the playoffs.
I still think Laughton has some 3rd line in him. Him, Domi, Roy could be good. Love your 4th line options …Jeannot and Tanev would be instant energy every time they’re on the ice. Laughton could centre them or add a 4th line PK/Banger.
I’m with you ..I don’t see Rielly waiving so I’m expecting the D to look the same.
Jt’s best years came with bouncing pucks off Matt Moulson’s ass on the PP and playing with a cream puff waiver wire guy like Parenteau because he was in his prime. Next best was Marner feeding him the puck. At his price and expected role, I think we should all be fine with 60 points and a lessened burden.
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Nice breakdown M.P.
I’ve been a big proponent of breaking up JT/Willie …for me they don’t work when it matters. I’ve always been of the opinion that JT’s one of those guys that works best with a pair of grindy mobile wingers. Okposo, Moulson, etc…. I’d give him Knies and McMann (or someone new) and let them role. Nylander is dying for an excuse to be that guy that looked like the best player in the world for 4 months (pre-contract). He wants more minutes, more responsibility, etc… put him with Matthews and play them 22 mins per night. I like the idea of Marchand barking in both their ears. I think/hope that Marchand and Nylander help elevate 34.
For me that’s how I’d draw up the top 6 for the playoffs.
I still think Laughton has some 3rd line in him. Him, Domi, Roy could be good. Love your 4th line options …Jeannot and Tanev would be instant energy every time they’re on the ice. Laughton could centre them or add a 4th line PK/Banger.
I’m with you ..I don’t see Rielly waiving so I’m expecting the D to look the same.
I’m not sold that we’re getting Roy. I guess we’ll see what happens. I figure if Vegas really was tampering and it can be proven – and the league will investigate it at their own discretion, not at the Leafs’ request – then they might be better off just not giving the Leafs anything since they could be punished even more for tampering. For instance Friedman said that the league investigated the Leafs for tampering when they signed Tavares – it wasn’t at the Islanders’ request, they just did it. So Treliving could be trying to play some hardball with McCrimmon – but if the end punishment were something like $5m, some draft picks and public embarrassment – as well as the termination of the Marner contract – why ALSO give up Roy? If Vegas is in the clear and didn’t do anything then why give up Roy to negotiate with Marner when they can sign him tomorrow?
Anyway, we’ll see.
One name I didn’t throw in the mix, but I really should have because I’d love him back on Toronto is Connor Brown . . . he’s probably a $2.5 – $3m player, but he can shift up and down the lineup and is an excellent penalty killer.
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Nice breakdown M.P.
I’ve been a big proponent of breaking up JT/Willie …for me they don’t work when it matters. I’ve always been of the opinion that JT’s one of those guys that works best with a pair of grindy mobile wingers. Okposo, Moulson, etc…. I’d give him Knies and McMann (or someone new) and let them role. Nylander is dying for an excuse to be that guy that looked like the best player in the world for 4 months (pre-contract). He wants more minutes, more responsibility, etc… put him with Matthews and play them 22 mins per night. I like the idea of Marchand barking in both their ears. I think/hope that Marchand and Nylander help elevate 34.
For me that’s how I’d draw up the top 6 for the playoffs.
I still think Laughton has some 3rd line in him. Him, Domi, Roy could be good. Love your 4th line options …Jeannot and Tanev would be instant energy every time they’re on the ice. Laughton could centre them or add a 4th line PK/Banger.
I’m with you ..I don’t see Rielly waiving so I’m expecting the D to look the same.
I’m not sold that we’re getting Roy. I guess we’ll see what happens. I figure if Vegas really was tampering and it can be proven – and the league will investigate it at their own discretion, not at the Leafs’ request – then they might be better off just not giving the Leafs anything since they could be punished even more for tampering. For instance Friedman said that the league investigated the Leafs for tampering when they signed Tavares – it wasn’t at the Islanders’ request, they just did it. So Treliving could be trying to play some hardball with McCrimmon – but if the end punishment were something like $5m, some draft picks and public embarrassment – as well as the termination of the Marner contract – why ALSO give up Roy? If Vegas is in the clear and didn’t do anything then why give up Roy to negotiate with Marner when they can sign him tomorrow?
Anyway, we’ll see.
One name I didn’t throw in the mix, but I really should have because I’d love him back on Toronto is Connor Brown . . . he’s probably a $2.5 – $3m player, but he can shift up and down the lineup and is an excellent penalty killer.
Watching Friedman right now …he says he thinks Marner-Roy trade will happen b/c they want an 8 yr deal. He says Vegas is just getting some other stuff done before they get Marner done. I’m not putting much into the tampering (probably just media noise). It makes sense b/c Vegas/Marner want 8 yrs and need his rights. They have to move about $3M to get it done so Roy makes sense.
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Watching Friedman right now …he says he thinks Marner-Roy trade will happen b/c they want an 8 yr deal. He says Vegas is just getting some other stuff done before they get Marner done. I’m not putting much into the tampering (probably just media noise). It makes sense b/c Vegas/Marner want 8 yrs and need his rights. They have to move about $3M to get it done so Roy makes sense.
I have no aversion to Roy – he’s a big bodied 3C who can play defense and knows how to ramp up his physicality in the playoffs. He feels like a Berube type of player. I hope it happens.
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Going into the FA period is going to be interesting. I feel like the Leafs have had a hole in the top-6 since Tavares arrived. This is our history of top-6 lines:
A look at the leafs top-6 over the years (numbers in brackets are GF/60 – GA/60):
2018
Hyman – Tavares – Marner (3.9 – 2.8)
Marleau – Matthews – Kapanen (4.5 – 3.7)2019
Hyman – Matthews – Marner (4.2 – 3)
Kerfoot – Tavares – Nylander (3.1 – 3.1)2020
Hyman – Matthews – Marner (4.3 – 1.7)
Galchenuyk – Tavares – Nylander (3.9 – 2.5)2021
Bunting – Matthews – Marner (6.6 – 3.4)
Kerfoot – Tavares – Nylander (3.5 – 3.5)2022
Bunting – Matthews – Nylander (4.7 – 1.6)
Jarnkrok – Tavares – Marner (3.4 – 2.7)2023
Knies – Matthews – Marner (3.4 – 1.8)
Bertuzzi – Tavares – Nylander (2.6 – 2)2024
Knies – Matthews – Marner (3.6 – 2.3)
Pacioretty – Tavares – Nylander (3.7 – 2.7)We can draw conclusions how we want, but the absence of a clear top-6 2LW has been prevalent the entire time. I’m not being unfair, I don’t think, to note that deploying 38 year old Marleau on the 2nd line – especially at a $6.25m cap hit (in 2017 – by contrast that’s an $8m contract now, which makes the rumours about Marchand a little crazy). But Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, a 36 year old Pacioretty coming off 3 straight injury shortened seasons . . . personally I never liked Galchenyuk, but he did post decent numbers – and I’ve never been a fan of Bertuzzi’s.
Yet this team has managed to post positive GF/60 – GA/60 rates in the top-6 every year. The most striking thing is that the best GF and GA years were actually with Bunting – both in GF/60 in 2021 and GA/60 in 2022.
So now we go into this FA period with likely absences in the top-6 RW and LW. It should prove to be an interesting time and probably the one we’ll judge Treliving for the most. I think most of us have liked his work to date, but this is sort of his proving ground.
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Leafs acquire Matias maccelli from utah for a conditional 3rd round pick
Looks like 3rd liner.
i dont know much of anything about this person
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Leafs acquire Matias maccelli from utah for a conditional 3rd round pick
Looks like 3rd liner.
i dont know much of anything about this person
New coach didn’t like him. Young playmaking winger that does a lot of busy work without a lot of impact. Kerfoot-esque. A 24 year old potential 50 point getter is fine for a 3rd though. Duck it
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Leafs acquire Matias maccelli from utah for a conditional 3rd round pick
Looks like 3rd liner.
i dont know much of anything about this person
I had to look him up. He played 3rd line for the mammoth, once scored 17 goals, scored 8 last year…24 year old finn with a $3.4m cap hit. Which seems pretty high.
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Leafs acquire Matias maccelli from utah for a conditional 3rd round pick
Looks like 3rd liner.
i dont know much of anything about this person
It’s a bit of a strange acquisition – he’s not a big guy and doesn’t play physical. He’s not much of a board presence and doesn’t kill penalties. He did score 17 a couple of years ago and I recall people were making noise about him, but nothing really stands out in my opinion. I guess he can shift up and down the lineup, so he’s a decent line 2/3 guy, but my bet would be that he’s less of a line 2 guy.
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It’s a bit of a strange acquisition – he’s not a big guy and doesn’t play physical. He’s not much of a board presence and doesn’t kill penalties. He did score 17 a couple of years ago and I recall people were making noise about him, but nothing really stands out in my opinion. I guess he can shift up and down the lineup, so he’s a decent line 2/3 guy, but my bet would be that he’s less of a line 2 guy.
Waste of 3.4 AAV in cap space. Jake McBain is sitting right there in Utah with no contract and this is the garbage that Treliving brings in to win the playoffs? Treliving is huffing glue.
Matias / Kampf / Jarnkrok. <— Almost 8 million for this bullshit line.
Out in the 1st round.
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At least we still have a MM on the roster. Brad is just filling out the roster with 1 year deals to bring in McDaddy next year:-)
You know who else is a UFA next year? Jack Eichel.
Which means Vegas could steal McDavid if they wanted too, if they let Eichel walk.
And they could have 20-24 million in cap space to do it too.
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It’s a bit of a strange acquisition – he’s not a big guy and doesn’t play physical. He’s not much of a board presence and doesn’t kill penalties. He did score 17 a couple of years ago and I recall people were making noise about him, but nothing really stands out in my opinion. I guess he can shift up and down the lineup, so he’s a decent line 2/3 guy, but my bet would be that he’s less of a line 2 guy.
Waste of 3.4 AAV in cap space. Jake McBain is sitting right there in Utah with no contract and this is the garbage that Treliving brings in to win the playoffs? Treliving is huffing glue.
Matias / Kampf / Jarnkrok. <— Almost 8 million for this bullshit line.
Out in the 1st round.
You need a Snickers.
I doubt that Kampf and Jarnkrok are still there – at the very least I’d expect Kampf moved out.
Maccelli is a playmaking forward who can play either wing. I do read that the Leafs are hoping he’s a top-6 option and there’s an awful lot of analysts who believe he could fill that role quite nicely. *IF* they brought in a legitimate top-6 winger for a 2029 2nd round pick, that’s tidy work. If he turns out to be a 3rd line player, it’s not exactly the worst deal they could have made – but I’ve said before I want more grit and competitiveness in our bottom-6 and this guy isn’t that.
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You need a Snickers.
I doubt that Kampf and Jarnkrok are still there – at the very least I’d expect Kampf moved out.
Maccelli is a playmaking forward who can play either wing. I do read that the Leafs are hoping he’s a top-6 option and there’s an awful lot of analysts who believe he could fill that role quite nicely. *IF* they brought in a legitimate top-6 winger for a 2029 2nd round pick, that’s tidy work. If he turns out to be a 3rd line player, it’s not exactly the worst deal they could have made – but I’ve said before I want more grit and competitiveness in our bottom-6 and this guy isn’t that.
I never doubt the Leafs ability to retain and acquire garbage players so Jarnkrok and Kampf, still being on the team, is still a very real possibility especially because they should have been thrown to the side years ago and they’re both still here.
Malgin 2.0 is what this guy is. A tiny, defensively useless, barely offensively effective winger is not what this team needs, especially in the playoffs which this guy has ZERO games of experience.
He has no spot in the top-six if the goal is to improve the team. He’s a LW which means he’s not playing on the 1st line because Knies is there at 7.75 AAV and he’s not going anywhere. So that means he goes down to the 2nd line with two most irresponsible defensively players in the top-six, Tavares and Nylander. This guy is already a career -27. Playing with Tavares and Nylander, in the playoffs, will be a defensive disaster.
Tarasenko just got traded to Minnesota for future considerations. I’d rather have him, at least he played under Berube when they won the Cup, than this piece of shit.
If this guy cost a conditional 7th round pick and his salary was 900K, I could live with the deal. But at 3.4 AAV, it shows a serious lack of judgement from Leafs management. This is not the type of move that indicates any kind of DNA is actually changing. This is moving chairs on the Titanic.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
I hope our new MM has a spectacular year just to picture him punching the air in his typical rage.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
You’re happy with this trade?
Tarasenko just got traded to Minnesota for future considerations. I’d rather have him, at least he played under Berube when they won the Cup, than this piece of shit.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
I hope our new MM has a spectacular year just to picture him punching the air in his typical rage.
A fantastic waste of cap space “savings”.
You think this guy does better than Tarasenko who just got traded for future considerations?
I’d rather have the guy with 121 games of playoff experience, 49 playoff goals, 79 playoff points, won a Cup with Berube as his coach and actually has a chance to be an acquisition that improves the Leafs playoff chances.
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I hope our new MM has a spectacular year just to picture him punching the air in his typical rage.
If he actually gets to play an 80 game season and puts out 50P he’s worth his salary for a 2nd/3rd line guy at the age of 24. He’s only signed for this season and he’s RFA at the end, this is not worth even a second of emotional concern lol.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
Has anyone figured out if UG and Jewel are the same person?
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You’re happy with this trade?
Tarasenko just got traded to Minnesota for future considerations. I’d rather have him, at least he played under Berube when they won the Cup, than this piece of shit.
Dude if you even care about this you probably masturbated way too aggressively as a teen (or maybe still?) and created some severe psychological damage that you should go talk to a shrink about.
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Has anyone figured out if UG and Jewel are the same person?
And how does Drexel fit into this jackass threesome?
Actually, Drexel didn’t bother me nearly as much as the other two.
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imagine crying over Tarasenko who makes 4.75m scored 11 goals.. and won a cup with stl, 7 years ago
If the Leafs are going to waste cap space on soft wingers, they’re better off doing it with guys who at least have a chance of of proven playoff success. He also won a Cup with the Panthers 2 years ago.
Or maybe you enjoy watching the Leafs keep make the same mistakes and lose every year when it matters.
Enjoy Malgin 2.0.
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UGs biggest concern when we all moved on from Mitchy-pooh was how do you replace his 102pts. Well, we just got roughly 50 for $3.5M, so now we have $9Mish to get another 52 I guess. Seems very doable.
The Panthers has zero players even remotely close to 100pts, and they won the Cup. You need 4 lines that can score to be successful, you figure after watching this team for the last almost decade one could figure that out.
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Has anyone figured out if UG and Jewel are the same person?
And how does Drexel fit into this jackass threesome?
Actually, Drexel didn’t bother me nearly as much as the other two.
Drexel was less dumb
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imagine crying over Tarasenko who makes 4.75m scored 11 goals.. and won a cup with stl, 7 years ago
Hey, he fetched the much sought after prospect Future Considerations. The Wild are going to miss him.
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imagine crying over Tarasenko who makes 4.75m scored 11 goals.. and won a cup with stl, 7 years ago
If the Leafs are going to waste cap space on soft wingers, they’re better off doing it with guys who at least have a chance of of proven playoff success.
Or maybe you enjoy watching the Leafs keep make the same mistakes and lose every year when it matters.
Enjoy Malgin 2.0.
He’s an RFA next year when there’re real FA options hitting the market. I have no problem with team taking some chances on guys with expiring contracts.
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UGs biggest concern when we all moved on from Mitchy-pooh was how do you replace his 102pts. Well, we just got roughly 50 for $3.5M, so now we have $9Mish to get another 52 I guess. Seems very doable.
The Panthers has zero players even remotely close to 100pts, and they won the Cup. You need 4 lines that can score to be successful, you figure after watching this team for the last almost decade one could figure that out.
Wrong again. Barkov and Tkachuk have both had seasons of 95-100 points in their career. You’re lying to yourself to try and make this garbage player seem better than he is. He had 8 goals and 18 points last year, -13. That’s not a guarantee for 50 points. It’s also not a guarantee that even if he does get 50 points that they’ll be worth anything in the playoffs or if he’s a minus. But I bet you thought Malgin would score 50 points too.
You need stronger, two-way players to be successful. This guy is another tiny, weak, defensive liability playing with Tavares and Nylander. You figure watching this team lose the same way every year you’d learn a fucking thing by now.
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imagine crying over Tarasenko who makes 4.75m scored 11 goals.. and won a cup with stl, 7 years ago
If the Leafs are going to waste cap space on soft wingers, they’re better off doing it with guys who at least have a chance of success in the playoffs.
Or maybe you enjoy watching the Leafs keep make the same mistakes and lose every year when it matters.
Enjoy Malgin 2.0.
id wait for the summer to play out and see where the Leafs Land before shitting your pants.
If they move on from some of Kampf, Yarnk, Roberston and HombergLooking at Malgin vs Macelli i dont see the comp. Malgin was 26 points per 82, Maccelli has 34 assists per 82 (48p), much more of a playmaker
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id wait for the summer to play out and see where the Leafs Land before shitting your pants.
If they move on from some of Kampf, Yarnk, Roberston and HombergLooking at Malgin vs Macelli i dont see the comp. Malgin was 26 points per 82, Maccelli has 34 assists per 82 (48p), much more of a playmaker
You should look closer. Tiny, one-way, wingers with 0 playoff experience is a waste of cap space for what this team needs to have real playoff success.
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if taking Roberson spot, thats fine. but still need more
Jordan Schmaltz
#LeafsForever faithful a couple quick notes on newly acquired Matias Maccelli, the pride of Turku Finland. A silky smooth highly skilled left winger that is just one season removed from a 57 point campaign. He fell out of favor last season with the coaching staff in Utah and found himself soul searching for his confidence to go along with finding favorable ice time as he battled injury in the eye of the storm. When he’s at his best he controls the play by hanging onto pucks and extending plays with his elite first step in and out of cutbacks. A magician with the puck that plays really well in “high ice” of the offensive zone, spreading out a defense generating grade A’s. The change of scenery could do this kid wonders. He’s such a talent. I hope they let him play his game in Toronto. A guy that slots in the middle 6 and takes a fella like Nick Robertson’s spot. Will be cheering for MM. Love his game too.. -
You should look closer. Tiny, one-way, wingers with 0 playoff experience is a waste of cap space for what this team needs to have real playoff success.
Good thing they’re not keeping an over priced Marner then. He disappears in games 5 through 7 when the refs put their whistles away and the games become truly physical.
At least the new guy puts up 50% of the points at 25% of the cost assuming his new salary will be at least $14 mill.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
You’re happy with this trade?
Tarasenko just got traded to Minnesota for future considerations. I’d rather have him, at least he played under Berube when they won the Cup, than this piece of shit.
I don’t expect a star but a 24 year old fast skating playmaker at 3.4 is fine for the price. If he fails, they can let him go as an RFA or try to trade him at seasons end. He’s the right age and has a decent track record for 2nd/3rd line scoring. He might be a flop, it’s perfectly possible, but the cost was almost nothing outside of cap and it isn’t a huge cap hit.
More like a single than a home run, but sometimes you need to take chances when you don’t have any prospects you expect to make the jump outside of one guy.
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You should look closer. Tiny, one-way, wingers with 0 playoff experience is a waste of cap space for what this team needs to have real playoff success.
Good thing they’re not keeping an over priced Marner then. He disappears in games 5 through 7 when the refs put their whistles away and the games become truly physical.
At least the new guy puts up 50% of the points at 25% of the cost assuming his new salary will be at least $14 mill.
Must be why Marner helped win 3 games against Florida with a GWG, and two primary assists on GWGs (one in Game 6).
Marner is going to look great holding the Cup over his head in Vegas, just like Kadri did in Colorado.
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Must be why Marner helped win 3 games against Florida with a GWG, and two primary assists on GWGs (one in Game 6).
Marner is going to look great holding the Cup over his head in Vegas, just like Kadri did in Colorado.
BWAHAHAHAHA, bros acting like the 4 foot pass Marner made in game six couldn’t have been made by literally anyone in the NHL.
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I don’t expect a star but a 24 year old fast skating playmaker at 3.4 is fine for the price. If he fails, they can let him go as an RFA or try to trade him at seasons end. He’s the right age and has a decent track record for 2nd/3rd line scoring. He might be a flop, it’s perfectly possible, but the cost was almost nothing outside of cap and it isn’t a huge cap hit.
More like a single than a home run, but sometimes you need to take chances when you don’t have any prospects you expect to make the jump outside of one guy.
This guy fills none of the boxes the Leafs need to succeed in the playoffs. Even if he does reach his potential of 50 points as some are praying for, he doesn’t have the attributes or the skills the Leafs need to beat the Panthers. I don’t see a one-way, tiny, winger like this on the Panthers.
If they’re talking to Utah, they must be aware that Jack McBain exists. Make a bigger trade to acquire a guy like that who actually fills what the Leafs need.
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BWAHAHAHAHA, bros acting like the 4 foot pass Marner made in game six couldn’t have been made by literally anyone in the NHL.
and who cares at this point, Mitch made his choice. cant really take the heat. wants all the money and no criticism, not a winner
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https://x.com/tictactomar/status/1939738810364858666?s=46
We got our new Mitch Marner…… lite
Welcome to the top line MM
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Must be why Marner helped win 3 games against Florida with a GWG, and two primary assists on GWGs (one in Game 6).
Marner is going to look great holding the Cup over his head in Vegas, just like Kadri did in Colorado.
week argument. Marner was dodging a hit and shoveled it to Matthews.
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BWAHAHAHAHA, bros acting like the 4 foot pass Marner made in game six couldn’t have been made by literally anyone in the NHL.
He got the puck because of his excellent positioning, quick reaction time, spun quickly to shield the puck, took a bump under pressure to make the play and got it to Matthews swiftly for a 1 on 1 chance.
He made it look easy, because he’s that good, but he got the primary assist in Game 6 for a reason no matter how badly you want to take it away from him.
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To UG – everything looks elite. Like literally skating a lane you’re suppose to – then a puck is there – turning and tapping it 2 feet. It looked amazing to him…remember he can’t skate and doesn’t even have a JrC level understanding of the game he watches. So ya – that was a super impressive play for that little guy to watch.
He the guy who marvels at how fast the game when he squeezes his fat ass into a seat in the nosebleeds…these guys smash puck fast ma – he can be heard yelling
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I don’t expect a star but a 24 year old fast skating playmaker at 3.4 is fine for the price. If he fails, they can let him go as an RFA or try to trade him at seasons end. He’s the right age and has a decent track record for 2nd/3rd line scoring. He might be a flop, it’s perfectly possible, but the cost was almost nothing outside of cap and it isn’t a huge cap hit.
More like a single than a home run, but sometimes you need to take chances when you don’t have any prospects you expect to make the jump outside of one guy.
Exactly. A nice young 50P guy signed for a year. If he works out great and if not oh well. GMs need to take a gamble once in awhile and safe ones are not worth getting upset about.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
truth
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Exactly. A nice young 50P guy signed for a year. If he works out great and if not oh well. GMs need to take a gamble once in awhile and safe ones are not worth getting upset about.
8 goals, 18 points, -13.
Great gamble.
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Must be why Marner helped win 3 games against Florida with a GWG, and two primary assists on GWGs (one in Game 6).
Marner is going to look great holding the Cup over his head in Vegas, just like Kadri did in Colorado.
Who fucking cares?
They lost the series so nobody did enough.
So if you’re the free agent and want to stay it’s either offer up the big offer to the team or see you later.
Btw if you think Colorado won the cup because of Kadri you are just fucking flat out stupid lol
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hr has Mitch at 183cm and Micelli at 180cm
one of these players is tinylol well 3cm is 1-1/4” ????
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hr has Mitch at 183cm and Micelli at 180cm
one of these players is tinylol well 3cm is 1-1/4” ????
Must his hair. add some mouse or gel or brill cream and it make your hair that much bigger. lol
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hr has Mitch at 183cm and Micelli at 180cm
one of these players is tinyOne of these players mitigates it by being a Selke nominated 100 point player and has more career playoff points than anybody else on the team.
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Ekblad staying in Florida. Pivot to Provorov if you can move Carlo or just get Marchand for $7-8Mx2.
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so 24yo
per 82
14g-34a-48phad 57p 2 seasons ago.
low risk bet. just the cap hit. not sure how he fits Leafs systemIt’s a 2027 3rd that upgrades to a 2029 2nd if Maccelli scores 51 points next year and Toronto makes the playoffs.
Ugh…so the trade gets worse. Brad cant seem to make a good trade……well too early to tell on this one. Gotta wait until the season.
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One of these players mitigates it by being a Selke nominated 100 point player and has more career playoff points than anybody else on the team.
He’s a heck of a magician too, his disappearing acts are legendary.
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UG could quite literally be the leafs GM himself and he’d criticize all his moves online lol
Has anyone figured out if UG and Jewel are the same person?
I just assume they are.
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Who fucking cares?
They lost the series so nobody did enough.
They got closer than anybody else. That means with the correct adjustments (get rid of Tavares and Rielly) you can succeed.
So if you’re the free agent and want to stay it’s either offer up the big offer to the team or see you later.
Cap went up by a lot. Leafs are wasting a lot of money on garbage players. But get rid of one of the best players to “save” money so you can waste it on more trash like Matias Maccelli?
Btw if you think Colorado won the cup because of Kadri you are just fucking flat out stupid lol
7 playoff goals, 15 points in 16 games, 2 GWGs. And the Leafs got…? Kerfoot? Good trade. Bet they were hoping he would score 50+ points like you’re hoping Maccelli does. Keep lying to yourself. Or maybe it’s just the brain damage.
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hr has Mitch at 183cm and Micelli at 180cm
one of these players is tinylol well 3cm is 1-1/4” ????
And thats alot!!!
So I keep telling my GF.
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Ugh…so the trade gets worse. Brad cant seem to make a good trade.
Small price to pay if he puts up 50+ points for $3.5M, the 64th pick in 2029 is likely to be a dude.
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Small price to pay if he puts up 50+ points for $3.5M, the 64th pick in 2029 is likely to be a dude.
Actually, it’ll probably be the 68th pick by then.
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Ugh…so the trade gets worse. Brad cant seem to make a good trade.
Small price to pay if he puts up 50+ points for $3.5M, the 64th pick in 2029 is likely to be a dude.
I edited my post…..its too early to tell if its a bad trade…gotta wait until the season gets going.
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Must his hair. add some mouse or gel or brill cream and it make your hair that much bigger. lol
Lol the brylcreem reference was a beaut, if we want the 67’ team back maybe they should start making the whole bloody team use it for real lol
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Ekblad staying in Florida. Pivot to Provorov if you can move Carlo or just get Marchand for $7-8Mx2.
Carlo was just acquired, he’s not going anywhere, even though he’s not that great. Leafs are already short on RHD as it is. They can’t afford to be down to just 1, Tanev will be in a wheelchair sooner rather than later.
Leafs will have to make Marchard very, very overpaid to come and it probably won’t be on a 2 year deal either unless they want a sky high cap hit.
At 37-41, not sure what Marchand will have left in the tank at that price to be worth it.
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And thats alot!!!
So I keep telling my GF.
That’s what she keeps telling me, as she pats me on the back lol
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MAaccelli looks to the leafs 2nd line winger….according to Luke Fox of Sportsnet
Worst case, he’s Malgin.
Best case, he’s Kerfoot.
Same shit, different pile.
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MAaccelli looks to the leafs 2nd line winger….according to Luke Fox of Sportsnet
I can see that being the initial goal. JT is the net guy, Nylander is the shooter, and the thing that line has always been missing is an effective passer which is pretty much what Maccelli is.
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I can see that being the initial goal. JT is the net guy, Nylander is the shooter, and the thing that line has always been missing is an effective passer which is pretty much what Maccelli is.
What that line will be missing is directions to their own defensive zone.
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Barkov? The fuck are you talking about.
Big reason Marner seems “greedy” is because 14 million in Toronto is terribly taxed. He’ll make 12 in Vegas and be way ahead.
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I think they move Domi and add Marchand and Mangiapane.
Hope they dont offer anymore than $6m per for Marchand….simply not worth it. IMO
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Barkov? The fuck are you talking about.
Oh, wow, an honest mistake confusing Barkov and Ekblad. Almost as dumb as most of the shit you post.
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8×6.1m for Ekblad just laughable
3 goals, 33 points, history of concussions. Leafs dodged a bullet. They would have had to pay 9-10 to get him to leave that paradise situation.
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Hoping the Leafs get Patty Kane on the top line to feed Matthews and Knies.
This new kid fits on the 2 or 3 LW but Mangiapani would look nice there too.
If they get this Roy kid for 3 C, the will be one strong LD away from solid…if they can kick Rielly and his blow habit out.
And pick up Jeannot for the dirty games to replace ReavesKnies, Matthews, P. Kane
Mangiapani, Tavares, Nylander
New MM, Roy, Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, JeannotThat’s a nice balanced line up with some edge.
McCabe, Tanev
Provorov, Carlo
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
probably, send someone to ltir, give brad 3x6m
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I think they move Domi and add Marchand and Mangiapane.
Hope they dont offer anymore than $6m per for Marchand….simply not worth it. IMO
Way more concerned about term than AAV
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Hope they dont offer anymore than $6m per for Marchand….simply not worth it. IMO
No chance he signs that, when he can take less to stay in Florida and clear more.
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8×6.1m for Ekblad just laughable
3 goals, 33 points, history of concussions. Leafs dodged a bullet. They would have had to pay 9-10 to get him to leave that paradise situation.
I didnt mean leafs missed out.
never thought he was on the Leafs radar.but id have swapped him out for Rielly
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but id have swapped him out for Rielly
I wouldn’t have because the price would have been way too high to pull him away from Florida.
I’d rather trade Rielly to Vancouver and get a RHD like Tyler Myers for half the price.
Then hope you can sign a vet like Brent Burns on a cheap home town retirement contract to have him play sheltered minutes and the PP.
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I didnt mean leafs missed out.
never thought he was on the Leafs radar.but id have swapped him out for Rielly
Rielly is unmoveable, he’ll play out the rest of his contract in the Blue and White. But, if Tre somehow moved him and replaced him with Provorov, he’d be an instant legend.
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No chance he signs that, when he can take less to stay in Florida and clear more.
Panthers would still have to trade somebody like Rodrigues to have enough space for Marchand who probably wants at least 7.
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Rielly is unmoveable, he’ll play out the rest of his contract in the Blue and White. But, if Tre somehow moved him and replaced him with Provorov, he’d be an instant legend.
Not true. Seattle or Vancouver could take him and he’d waive to go there. Just a matter of actually pressuring him to do it.
This idiot management team probably still thinks he’s part of a winning solution.
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Actually winning is a massive advantage.
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Hope they dont offer anymore than $6m per for Marchand….simply not worth it. IMO
No chance he signs that, when he can take less to stay in Florida and clear more.
Good, then stay in Florida.
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Rielly is unmoveable, he’ll play out the rest of his contract in the Blue and White. But, if Tre somehow moved him and replaced him with Provorov, he’d be an instant legend.
oh I know, but im not going to type that out for every MR post where I trade him
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I didnt mean leafs missed out.
never thought he was on the Leafs radar.but id have swapped him out for Rielly
Rielly is unmoveable, he’ll play out the rest of his contract in the Blue and White. But, if Tre somehow moved him and replaced him with Provorov, he’d be an instant legend.
He’s not “unmoveable”, he needs to have a good year. Almost any contract can be moved.
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Panthers would still have to trade somebody like Rodrigues to have enough space for Marchand who probably wants at least 7.
I’d bet Marchand is willing to take far less than $7M to run it back again.
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Ekblad for 8 years at $6m? Fack.
Leafs have morgan for what 5 more at $7.5m
Shitty.Yeah, but Morgan does funny commercials.
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8×6.1m for Ekblad just laughable
Is it? The guy just had 20 game suspension for drugs. Think this guy with a history of some injuries isn’t going to hold up. Not like he’s worth 10 million imo.
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I’d bet Marchand is willing to take far less than $7M to run it back again.
Don’t think it’s that far less than 7. He’s 37 so it’s a risk for anybody to sign him long term. He left Boston because they wouldn’t give him 8+.
Considering he’s on a juggernaut team, the weather and the state itself is fantastic, I’d say his bottom dollar is 6.5 AAV for 3/4 years.
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8×6.1m for Ekblad just laughable
Is it? The guy just had 20 game suspension for drugs. Think this guy with a history of some injuries isn’t going to hold up. Not like he’s worth 10 million imo.
The drugs part is a non-issue. Tainted supplements happen. There’s an outside chance they did it on purpose to get under the cap at the deadline but that’d be very difficult to prove.
The real issue is he hasn’t played a full season in 7 years and only 3 times in his entire career. Long history of concussions. And he only had 3 goals and 33 points last year.
For his situation in Florida, it’s a fantastic fit. But anywhere else, it would have been a disaster contract.
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The Panther sign Ekblad for 6.1M cap hit for 8 years. WOW damn good deal if he stays healthy.
What does Marchand do now??Whatever he can to remain a Panther.
I’m not opposed to the Leafs throwing money at him, but not for more than 2 years. He’d be a force in the locker room to change the compete level of this team.
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The Panther sign Ekblad for 6.1M cap hit for 8 years. WOW damn good deal if he stays healthy.
What does Marchand do now??No tax strikes again. Fuck Zito.
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EF expects the Marner to Vegas trade to happen today. Let’s just get this done and move on to the next chapter.
So they can bring in Roy, a big body who doesn’t use it (less playoff hits than Marner) and can’t actually play center because his FO% sucks (47.7%).
Looking like a wild card, 1st round exit kind of season.
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So they can bring in Roy, a big body who doesn’t use it (less playoff hits than Marner) and can’t actually play center because his FO% sucks (47.7%).
Looking like a wild card, 1st round exit kind of season.
That’s literally the point of my post. Marner decided long ago that he wasn’t going to remain a Leaf, so let’s get it done and over with. We can bitch till we’re blue in the face about how the Leafs mismanaged the situation, but that accomplishes nothing. But you seem like the kinda guy that screams at clouds, so go off.
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The Panther sign Ekblad for 6.1M cap hit for 8 years. WOW damn good deal if he stays healthy.
What does Marchand do now??No tax strikes again. Fuck Zito.
Winning strikes again.
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EF expects the Marner to Vegas trade to happen today. Let’s just get this done and move on to the next chapter.
It has to happen today…tomorrow he’s an FA
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That’s literally the point of my post. Marner decided long ago that he wasn’t going to remain a Leaf, so let’s get it done and over with. We can bitch till we’re blue in the face about how the Leafs mismanaged the situation, but that accomplishes nothing. But you seem like the kinda guy that screams at clouds, so go off.
Leafs would be better off with Colton Sissons than Roy in terms of getting an actual 3rd line two-way C.
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EF expects the Marner to Vegas trade to happen today. Let’s just get this done and move on to the next chapter.
So they can bring in Roy, a big body who doesn’t use it (less playoff hits than Marner) and can’t actually play center because his FO% sucks (47.7%).
Looking like a wild card, 1st round exit kind of season.
So pretty much the same thing the leafs have been the whole time (outside of twice) Marner was here.
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EF expects the Marner to Vegas trade to happen today. Let’s just get this done and move on to the next chapter.
So they can bring in Roy, a big body who doesn’t use it (less playoff hits than Marner) and can’t actually play center because his FO% sucks (47.7%).
Looking like a wild card, 1st round exit kind of season.
You can always choose to not watch or talk about it.
Roy averages 218 hits / 82 games in the playoffs by the way.
Marner averages 118 / 82 playoff games and let’s be honest – no one has ever felt one of his hits.
But Roy isn’t equivalent to Marner and that’s not the comparison that’s being drawn out.
Roy’s 82 game playoff average:
10G, 23A, 3 GWG, 14:26 ATOI, 49.9% FO%, 49 Blocks, 211 hits, 46 Takeaways, 49 Giveaways
Kampf’s 82 game playoff average:
9G, 7A, 2 GWG, 14:15 ATOI, 54.3% FO%, 21 blocks, 136 Hits, 21 Takeaways, 30 Giveaways
That’s a decent upgrade in an area where we need more physical presence.
Nic Roy has had 3 deep playoff runs of 19 games or more; on the entire Leafs team these are the players who have had more games in a single playoff:
Carlo – once
OEL – once
Jarnkrok – once
Tanev – once
Reaves – onceThat’s it. I’ll take the experience and the acumen. I’m still not sure this thing is happening, but if it does – I’d rather get something than nothing and Roy is a decent 3C option.
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So pretty much the same thing the leafs have been the whole time (outside of twice) Marner was here.
Compared to last year, will be worse. Instead of building, the Leafs are now deconstructing, losing pace with Florida that is going to be pretty much exactly the same while the Leafs go backwards.
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I’d rather get something than nothing and Roy is a decent 3C option.
He’s bad at FOs. He’s a bad center. His last 2 most recent playoff runs were rather meh, 2 goals and 4 points in his last 18 playoff games, one brutal 5 min major vs. the Oilers in OT. There’s a reason Vegas is giving up on him. He’s the next Laughton.
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Panthers would still have to trade somebody like Rodrigues to have enough space for Marchand who probably wants at least 7.
I’d bet Marchand is willing to take far less than $7M to run it back again.
They can’t afford more than $1M with some bonuses that count against next year. He’s gone.
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They can’t afford more than $1M with some bonuses that count against next year. He’s gone.
They have 4.9 AAV, 9.4 if they dump Rodrigues and Boqvist.
It’s manageable.
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And there goes Marner.
Leafs officially idiots.
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$12M x 8 isn’t bad. Maybe renege on the trade and keep Marner, lol.
I would have accepted that in Toronto
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$12M x 8 isn’t bad. Maybe renege on the trade and keep Marner, lol.
Maybe when Toronto doesn’t have an insane tax rate, that could happen.
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I would have accepted that in Toronto
1000% I would have too. But he never would have signed that to remain a Leaf, he wanted to cash out. He’s gonna get roasted in Vegas.
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Maybe when Toronto doesn’t have an insane tax rate, that could happen.
Well, look at that, one thing we can actually agree on.
Sorry for your loss.
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They can’t afford more than $1M with some bonuses that count against next year. He’s gone.
They have 4.9 AAV, 9.4 if they dump Rodrigues and Boqvist.
It’s manageable.
They’ll have to be creative (and so will Marchand) b/c if they dump Rodrigues they’ll have 7.9M with 10F, 6D and 1G. A goalie, a 7th dman, and an 11th fwd is going to eat up $3M minimum so Marchand would have to be under $5M. They’ll just sign someone else if he wants to get paid and they’ll add another big name at the deadline to fit under the cap.
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I would have accepted that in Toronto
1000% I would have too. But he never would have signed that to remain a Leaf, he wanted to cash out. He’s gonna get roasted in Vegas.
He’ll be traded within 3 years
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They’ll have to be creative (and so will Marchand) b/c if they dump Rodrigues they’ll have 7.9M with 10F, 6D and 1G. A goalie, a 7th dman, and an 11th fwd is going to eat up $3M minimum so Marchand would have to be under $5M. They’ll just sign someone else if he wants to get paid and they’ll add another big name at the deadline to fit under the cap.
Not too creative, they’d just have to make the deal longer to lower the cap hit so they can squeeze in league minimum veterans like Pacioretty looking to win a Cup on a stacked team.
They’ll have no problems getting the lower line-up filler if they keep all their big fish.
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Ekblad staying in Florida. Pivot to Provorov if you can move Carlo or just get Marchand for $7-8Mx2.
Pivot to Provorov.. Bump Benoit down…Sign Ehlers…Dump Jarncock, Domi and Kampf…. Marchand will be 3-4 years…and I dont want him for that term at 7-8…
Agreed.
And fuck Marner. He could have a hometown hero in Toronto…greed killed him.
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He’ll be traded within 3 years
Vegas doesn’t mess around. They know what they want, then get it, then they discard what they’re bored with.
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Looks like Marchand is going back Florida.
Big surprise.
Kyper is saying Kadri is coming back to Toronto.
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Florida only has 4.9’million left in cap space after signing ekblad and 18 guys signed. Going to be tough for them to sign Marchand too.
Friedman is reporting that they are closing in on a 6 year $32m deal – so $5.3m . . . 6 YEARS? He’s 37 now, so it’s a 35+ contract that isn’t really buriable and will count against the cap for all 6 years – if he retires at 40, there’s 3 years of $5.3m against the cap. Yeesh. That’s a . . . commitment.
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Vegas doesn’t mess around. They know what they want, then get it, then they discard what they’re bored with.
Exactly why the Leafs, with their infinite budget, should have thrown the boat at McPhee to jump ship as President of Hockey Ops.
Instead, we got a retarded Shanahan for 10 years and now his flunky assistant GM who ran Calgary into the ground and is going to do the same here.
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Big surprise.
Kyper is saying Kadri is coming back to Toronto.
Hyper also said he doesn’t know how Marchand doesn’t wind up with the Leafs, so he’s an idiot.
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Someone get some mental health peeps to AA’s health
Kinda late
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Friedman is reporting that they are closing in on a 6 year $32m deal – so $5.3m . . . 6 YEARS? He’s 37 now, so it’s a 35+ contract that isn’t really buriable and will count against the cap for all 6 years – if he retires at 40, there’s 3 years of $5.3m against the cap. Yeesh. That’s a . . . commitment.
If they win one more Cup in the next 3 years, they won’t care. Cap will probably be at 115-120 million by year 4 or 5.
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Hyper also said he doesn’t know how Marchand doesn’t wind up with the Leafs, so he’s an idiot.
Well he was probably right because Marchand used the Leafs as leverage so the Panthers gave him a 6 year deal. If they didn’t, he’d probably abuse the Leafs for a 3 year, 7.5+ AAV deal.
Players, if they’re smart, always use the Leafs and the media as a leverage point and it usually works.
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They’ll have to be creative (and so will Marchand) b/c if they dump Rodrigues they’ll have 7.9M with 10F, 6D and 1G. A goalie, a 7th dman, and an 11th fwd is going to eat up $3M minimum so Marchand would have to be under $5M. They’ll just sign someone else if he wants to get paid and they’ll add another big name at the deadline to fit under the cap.
Not too creative, they’d just have to make the deal longer to lower the cap hit so they can squeeze in league minimum veterans like Pacioretty looking to win a Cup on a stacked team.
They’ll have no problems getting the lower line-up filler if they keep all their big fish.
6 years for a 37 yr old is pretty damn creative. lol … Sounds like they got the AAV down to 5.25ish.
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Fuck, Provorov staying in CBUS.
Poo
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Lorentz stays!!!
This is good stuff. 3 years @ $1.35m.
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Looks like Marchand is going back Florida.
Big surprise.
Kyper is saying Kadri is coming back to Toronto.
Currently dusting off my 2017 Kadri jersey!
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Fuck, Provorov staying in CBUS.
Dodged a bullet. He sucks for 30 points at that price. We already have Rielly.
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Get a load of this idiot.
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Marchand for 6 years is hilarious.
Won’t matter. They stay the best in the Division and in the East, probably win at least 1 more Cup in the next 3 years.
Leafs getting worse, Tampa Bay isn’t a problem for them, nobody else in the division is even close.
Leafs will get bounced in the 1st and 2nd round until Matthews leaves next as a UFA.
The only issue for the Panthers is if Bob plays his age at 37+. But once they clear his 10 AAV, they’ll easily be able to afford another goalie.
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No QO for Holmberg
Addition by subtraction then paying 3.25 AAV for his replacement.
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Get a load of this idiot.
What kind of load?
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Marchand for 6 years is hilarious.
Won’t matter. They stay the best in the Division and in the East, probably win at least 1 more Cup in the next 3 years.
Leafs getting worse, Tampa Bay isn’t a problem for them, nobody else in the division is even close.
Leafs will get bounced in the 1st and 2nd round until Matthews leaves next as a UFA.
The only issue for the Panthers is if Bob plays his age at 37+. But once they clear his 10 AAV, they’ll easily be able to afford another goalie.
The leafs have been bounced for 9 years straight in the 1st or 2nd round. So no difference.
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The leafs have been bounced for 9 years straight in the 1st or 2nd round. So no difference.
Only now we dont have to watch marner float for the final 3 games of a playoff round.Wrong. Panthers are going to be the same and the Leafs took them to 7. If they dumped Tavares and Rielly, brought in two-way centers to play 2C and 3C via trade, they could have had a chance.
This team is just going to be stitched together with pieces of scrap held together with chewing gum.
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Get a load of this idiot.
What kind of load?
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With Barkov seemingly signing for roughly $6M, the Cats are going to find a way to keep Marchand.
Tell me again how no tax states aren’t a massive advantage?
Get a load of this idiot.
I mean word was that Marner wanted $14m to stay here but is willing to take $12m in Vegas where they also don’t have state tax – which pretty much equates to the tax difference between the two places.
Bettman is – and always has been – a lying prick. These are the areas with the lowest overall tax rates: Dallas, Seattle, Vegas, Nashville, Tampa Bay and Florida. Now a nice climate is hard to beat – but LA has a great climate and everyone isn’t clamouring to go there with one of the higher tax rates. Winning is important and that is likely why Nashville and Seattle aren’t attracting a ton of talent – but as much as I thought Trotz was a decent coach, he’s proving to be an inept GM; and now that Ron Francis is out in Seattle, let’s see if Jason Botterill can do much – but he didn’t impress anyone very much in Buffalo.
But if you can put together a winning team, attracting talent sure is a lot easier where the money goes 20% further.
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The leafs have been bounced for 9 years straight in the 1st or 2nd round. So no difference.
Only now we dont have to watch marner float for the final 3 games of a playoff round.Wrong. Panthers are going to be the same and the Leafs took them to 7. If they dumped Tavares and Rielly, brought in two-way centers to play 2C and 3C via trade, they could have had a chance.
This team is just going to be stitched together with pieces of scrap held together with chewing gum.
Not wrong at all. The leafs have lost every single year in the 1st round except two over the past 9 years.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR.So no change.
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Wrong. Panthers are going to be the same and the Leafs took them to 7. If they dumped Tavares and Rielly, brought in two-way centers to play 2C and 3C via trade, they could have had a chance.
This team is just going to be stitched together with pieces of scrap held together with chewing gum.
We all knew, (except for you), that this year was going to be a step back while we wait for 97 to arrive July 1, 2026.
Edit: this is a /s
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Wrong. Panthers are going to be the same and the Leafs took them to 7
Even the Leafs took them to game seven does not means they been almost as good as Panthers.
It is not for the first time the Leafs taking teams to game 7, but outcome is always the same.If they played better defense in Game 3 (which is what you get if you remove Tavares and Rielly and replace them with two-way 2C and 3C) they can win that game and the series.
They won 3 games. No matter how you want to describe it, they were closer than anybody else. And now they just blew it away.
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I mean word was that Marner wanted $14m to stay here but is willing to take $12m in Vegas where they also don’t have state tax – which pretty much equates to the tax difference between the two places.
Bettman is – and always has been – a lying prick. These are the areas with the lowest overall tax rates: Dallas, Seattle, Vegas, Nashville, Tampa Bay and Florida. Now a nice climate is hard to beat – but LA has a great climate and everyone isn’t clamouring to go there with one of the higher tax rates. Winning is important and that is likely why Nashville and Seattle aren’t attracting a ton of talent – but as much as I thought Trotz was a decent coach, he’s proving to be an inept GM; and now that Ron Francis is out in Seattle, let’s see if Jason Botterill can do much – but he didn’t impress anyone very much in Buffalo.
But if you can put together a winning team, attracting talent sure is a lot easier where the money goes 20% further.
It’s actually closer to 16.5 AAV in Toronto for 12 AAV in Vegas. 14 AAV in Toronto would have been a discount for Marner.
No surprise he didn’t go to California. He can visit from Vegas but he’s way better off in every way in Vegas. Good for him.
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So no change.
Besides, next year has a better FA class.
Panthers will still have to dump salaryYes, because the UFA class has always won the Leafs Cups in the past.
You simply do not learn. Ever.
They can dump Rodrigues. They’ll be fine.
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We all knew, (except for you), that this year was going to be a step back while we wait for 97 to arrive July 1, 2026.
Edit: this is a /s
You must be joking, right? You think McDavid is going to leave a team he went to the Cup Final TWICE with to join this shit show of a team?
Better yet, why would he come to Toronto when he could also go to Vegas?
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If they played better defense in Game 3 (which is what you get if you remove Tavares and Rielly and replace them with two-way 2C and 3C) they can win that game and the series.
They won 3 games. No matter how you want to describe it, they were closer than anybody else. And now they just blew it away.Yes, I can agree with this, but if Florida played better in the first two games the result can be different either.
There is a huge difference between to take team to game 7 and win the series, but Leafs had the chance in game 3 and they blew it.
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It’s actually closer to 16.5 AAV in Toronto for 12 AAV in Vegas. 14 AAV in Toronto would have been a discount for Marner.
No surprise he didn’t go to California. He can visit from Vegas but he’s way better off in every way in Vegas. Good for him.
Well players are paid game by game so it’s not a full difference like that, Leaf players only get paid 43 games in Ontario for instance and they aren’t high income earners anywhere else. Also, a notable difference for players on the leafs is they get a notable additional income for marketing which we get zero info about.
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Well players are paid game by game so it’s not a full difference like that, Leaf players only get paid 43 games in Ontario for instance and they aren’t high income earners anywhere else. Also, a notable difference for players on the leafs is they get a notable additional income for marketing which we get zero info about.
There are multiple factors why players may take less money and no state tax is the only one of them.
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We all knew, (except for you), that this year was going to be a step back while we wait for 97 to arrive July 1, 2026.
Edit: this is a /s
You must be joking, right? You think McDavid is going to leave a team he went to the Cup Final TWICE with to join this shit show of a team?
Better yet, why would he come to Toronto when he could also go to Vegas?
Yes, that is precisely what /s means.
But to answer your question, the Oilers made it to back to back Cup Finals because they’re in the shittiest division in the shittiest conference in the league. They also have two of the most clutch players in history, so he could bring that to Toronto and drag us there too.
Hard to go deep in the playoffs when you’re in a division with literal dynasties like Tampa and Florida. Our burden to bear.
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The leafs have been bounced for 9 years straight in the 1st or 2nd round. So no difference.
Only now we dont have to watch marner float for the final 3 games of a playoff round.Wrong. Panthers are going to be the same and the Leafs took them to 7. If they dumped Tavares and Rielly, brought in two-way centers to play 2C and 3C via trade, they could have had a chance.
This team is just going to be stitched together with pieces of scrap held together with chewing gum.
So the Panthers presently have a cap of $95.933m, which is over the cap. They have 12 forwards signed, 6 defenseman and 1 goalie. They traded for Tarasov but he’s an RFA – assume he’s around $1m. Samoskevich is also unsigned.
I’d guess Rodrigues is going to be traded to fit in a goalie ($1m) and Samoskevich ($1.5m), leaving them with about $70k and no spares on their roster of 20. The first non-LTIR injury is going to be a bitch. We watched Dubas try and run that gauntlet.
Bottom line: Florida is getting older, they have played a lot of hockey and they are losing pieces and putting themselves into precarious positions to try and hold it together. It’s a bold strategy and they have all the right character assholes to win again, but I’m not sure if it’ll hold together again.
Quite sincerely Mitch Marner’s presence wasn’t what took us to game 7 – Marner had 1 point in the final 4 games of the series. He had decent results killing penalties – but truthfully the whole team did an admirable job there, led largely by Laughton and Lorentz, but credit is due to Marner there.
In those final 4 games, Domi had 3 points, McMann 2, and then Patches, Marner, Lorentz, Matthews and Robertson each had 1. Marner isn’t the solution, he’s been part of the problem.
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If they played better defense in Game 3 (which is what you get if you remove Tavares and Rielly and replace them with two-way 2C and 3C) they can win that game and the series.
They won 3 games. No matter how you want to describe it, they were closer than anybody else. And now they just blew it away.Yes, I can agree with this, but if Florida played better in the first two games the result can be different either.
There is a huge difference between to take team to game 7 and win the series, but Leafs had the chance in game 3 and they blew it.
It is possible they could win the whole series if it did not happen, but not guaranteed of course, knowing how Florida playing in elimination games.Well if Florida could play better, so could the Leafs. It goes both ways. The Leafs won the first two games because they played confident and executed on the PP.
This team is taking a huge step back and won’t have what it takes to take steps forward. UFAs won’t save them. They never have before, they probably never will.
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Well if Florida could play better, so could the Leafs. It goes both ways. The Leafs won the first two games because they played confident and executed on the PP.
This team is taking a huge step back and won’t have what it takes to take steps forward. UFAs won’t save them. They never have before, they probably never will.I remember the first two games, Bob let in all pucks were directed to net.
The Leafs could play better in game 5 and 7, but I doubt result would be different.
The next year the gap between these two team will be get even bigger, I agree with this.
For Leafs it is not enough to get better, but they need Florida become worse, which may not happen to my sorry.
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There are multiple factors why players may take less money and no state tax is the only one of them.
The owner doesn’t own any casinos but he does have vineyards… free wine is coming Mitch’s way lol
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Yes, that is precisely what /s means.
But to answer your question, the Oilers made it to back to back Cup Finals because they’re in the shittiest division in the shittiest conference in the league. They also have two of the most clutch players in history, so he could bring that to Toronto and drag us there too.
Hard to go deep in the playoffs when you’re in a division with literal dynasties like Tampa and Florida. Our burden to bear.
Vegas and LA in that division is not that weak of a division.
Pretty sure if one had to bet, it’s that McDavid is tired of carrying the entire team on his back. If he leaves the Oilers, Vegas makes a lot of sense and he won’t have to do EVERYTHING by himself. He had great chemistry on that OT winner for Canada with Marner.
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Marner isn’t the solution, he’s been part of the problem.
You’re very, very wrong about that. Involved in all 3 GWG vs Florida and defensively held the 1st line in check. That’s a fact.
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Well if Florida could play better, so could the Leafs. It goes both ways. The Leafs won the first two games because they played confident and executed on the PP.
This team is taking a huge step back and won’t have what it takes to take steps forward. UFAs won’t save them. They never have before, they probably never will.I remember the first two games, Bob let in all pucks were directed to net.
The Leafs could play better in game 5 and 7, but I doubt result would be different.
The next year the gap between these two team will be get even bigger, I agree with this.
For Leafs it is not enough to get better, but they need Florida become worse, which may not happen to my sorry.They set a record for most games played in a 3 year span.
They could become tired. Complacent. Injured. Bob is 37. If the Leafs made the right choices, they could take advantage of all those factors.
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They set a record for most games played in a 3 year span.
They could become tired. Complacent. Injured. Bob is 37. If the Leafs made the right choices, they could take advantage of all those factors.Yes, they had the golden opportunity in game three and chance to win the series, but they blown it.
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$12M x 8 isn’t bad. Maybe renege on the trade and keep Marner, lol.
Maybe when Toronto doesn’t have an insane tax rate, that could happen.
Ontario has a good tax rate for millionaires.
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Unholy_Goalie wrote:
They set a record for most games played in a 3 year span.
They could become tired. Complacent. Injured. Bob is 37. If the Leafs made the right choices, they could take advantage of all those factors.Yes, they had the golden opportunity in game three and chance to win the series, but they blown it.
Replace Tavares with Jenner and McBain. Replace Rielly with Myers. That’s a better DNA change than this bullshit they’re trying to pull now.
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No word on the MM return, eh?
BobMac said Roy 1 for 1.
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Ontario has a good tax rate for millionaires.
Marner just cant handle Toronto.
Hes a little bitch.Wrong. Literally the worst in the NHL, except NYR but most of those guys get around it by living in Jersey anyway.
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He’s got enough whine.So I’m just browsing Amazon just to see some “starting prices” and I see some blue, leafs, Mitch Marner socks are on for $24.99.
Let’s see how long this price lasts lol
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Cardinal point does the financial planning for many nhlers. Yes there’s a couple of nuances to adjust the tax rate but taxes are a significant variable for these players.
The cap has become large enough that the issue is growing. The league will have to do something. My best guess is that this 4 yr CBA will be the last with a hard cap. They’ll soften it up allowing wealthy to spend above the Cap.
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
Buy stock in the Florida Panthers?
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
Trade everyone. Start rebuilding now.
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It’s really quite amazing it’s all come to this point when people like me were saying FIVE YEARS AGO that this wasn’t working. And as I was told, repeatedly by the hockey Kreskins in here, “stfu you dumb internet donkey, Dubas knows what he’s doing, it’s gonna work out”.
But seriously…..could the Leafs management have possibly cocked this up worse than they have??
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
Seriously though …I’m a big believer that Knies and Nylander can, and will, elevate. Nylander’s been crying for more and now Berube’s got every reason to give him 22+ mins per night. We’ll find out soon whether he can level-up like he did when he was playing for a new contract. Knies is a beast ..skating, size …all of it. Hopefully he evolves into one of the best PF’s in the game. Matthews needs to find his health and shake off whatever was buggin’ him last year.
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
Trade everyone. Start rebuilding now.
Cant.
Stuck with Matthews for at least two more years and we dont have our first round pick for a couple of years.
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
Nothing. Maybe sign Kane to a two year deal
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
I like the idea of going after Mangiapane & Tanev and probably Connor Brown . . .but that leaves something like this:
Knies – Matthews – Maccelli
Mangiapane – Tavares – Nylander
Tanev – Roy – Brown
Lorentz – Laughton – McMannI’m not sure Domi fits in. I mean this lineup offers over $7m in cap room – and it assumes that Domi, Jarnkrok and Kampf all find new homes – although I’ve always loved what Domi brings in terms of passion. But something like Tanev – Roy – Brown would offer speed, checking, tenacity and some size/physicality. A 4th of Lorentz – Laughton – McMann would also have some size, cycle ability, solid forecheck, decent speed on the wings and work ethic.
The problems ultimately – line 1 doesn’t get any more competitive; line 2 doesn’t get much better defensively; there’s not a ton of goals in the bottom-6 still, but probably as many as we have had – they would likely be scored on less and it creates a lot of PK options throughout the lineup.
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So what, if anything, do the Leafs do tomorrow?!?
I like the idea of going after Mangiapane & Tanev and probably Connor Brown . . .but that leaves something like this:
Knies – Matthews – Maccelli
Mangiapane – Tavares – Nylander
Tanev – Roy – Brown
Lorentz – Laughton – McMannI’m not sure Domi fits in. I mean this lineup offers over $7m in cap room – and it assumes that Domi, Jarnkrok and Kampf all find new homes – although I’ve always loved what Domi brings in terms of passion. But something like Tanev – Roy – Brown would offer speed, checking, tenacity and some size/physicality. A 4th of Lorentz – Laughton – McMann would also have some size, cycle ability, solid forecheck, decent speed on the wings and work ethic.
The problems ultimately – line 1 doesn’t get any more competitive; line 2 doesn’t get much better defensively; there’s not a ton of goals in the bottom-6 still, but probably as many as we have had – they would likely be scored on less and it creates a lot of PK options throughout the lineup.
I do think Macelli makes Domi the odd man out.
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It’s actually closer to 16.5 AAV in Toronto for 12 AAV in Vegas. 14 AAV in Toronto would have been a discount for Marner.
No surprise he didn’t go to California. He can visit from Vegas but he’s way better off in every way in Vegas. Good for him.
Well players are paid game by game so it’s not a full difference like that, Leaf players only get paid 43 games in Ontario for instance and they aren’t high income earners anywhere else. Also, a notable difference for players on the leafs is they get a notable additional income for marketing which we get zero info about.
Well yeah, but additional income is not additional cap space. In fact, the additional income allows the Leafs to support other teams, including the ones offering players the huge tax break. Even if it is only 43 games worth it is still significant.
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Also, I was lead to believe that sign and trades never happen.
I know.
Tell me about it …..
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So whats left to sign tomorrow?
Looks like some teams will be overpaying for FA’s to get to the cap floor.Bouchard – 4 x 10.5m
B. Tanev …. 3 yr 6M … 2m cap hit
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Well yeah, but additional income is not additional cap space. In fact, the additional income allows the Leafs to support other teams, including the ones offering players the huge tax break. Even if it is only 43 games worth it is still significant.
Huh? How are the leafs supporting other teams? The leafs can’t hand opposition teams money openly, unless there are acceptable payouts from tv contracts etc? (Sincere question there)
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Well yeah, but additional income is not additional cap space. In fact, the additional income allows the Leafs to support other teams, including the ones offering players the huge tax break. Even if it is only 43 games worth it is still significant.
Huh? How are the leafs supporting other teams? The leafs can’t hand opposition teams money openly, unless there are acceptable payouts from tv contracts etc? (Sincere question there)
FFS, it takes me 15 minutes to respond because the browser I was using doesn’t get along with this site, it “toggles” me logged in and logged out and by the time I navigate to the thread I am toggled off … had to use MS Edge, ugh.
Anyway, I believe the NHL has revenue sharing.
Interestingly, the article on team revenue I saw (June 2024) showed the Oilers with the second highest revenue. I never would have guessed that. Panthers were bottom 6, but I think maybe they were the only tax-free state in the bottom 10?
I think the Leafs do get an advantage in terms of just being a wealthy enough franchise that they can structure their contracts with large lump sums (??) I am not positive how any of this works.
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So much for kane.
DammitIt’s OK Fake. I don’t think he was the answer.
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<p data-userway-s3-2-styled=”true” style=”background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) !important; transition: all; border-color: rgb(255, 255, 255) !important; color: rgb(80, 208, 160) !important;”>Huh? How are the leafs supporting other teams? The leafs can’t hand opposition teams money openly, unless there are acceptable payouts from tv contracts etc? (Sincere question there)
Equalization payments. Should be only for a 3 year period and if you can’t make it in the league, lose your franchise.
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FFS, it takes me 15 minutes to respond because the browser I was using doesn’t get along with this site, it “toggles” me logged in and logged out and by the time I navigate to the thread I am toggled off … had to use MS Edge, ugh.
Anyway, I believe the NHL has revenue sharing.
Interestingly, the article on team revenue I saw (June 2024) showed the Oilers with the second highest revenue. I never would have guessed that. Panthers were bottom 6, but I think maybe they were the only tax-free state in the bottom 10?
I think the Leafs do get an advantage in terms of just being a wealthy enough franchise that they can structure their contracts with large lump sums (??) I am not positive how any of this works.
Gave it a quick read, basically cut 6% from the top 10 teams and give it to the bottom 10 teams and yeah, a team like Toronto who the fuck knows what they’ll do, they’re rich lol.
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FFS, it takes me 15 minutes to respond because the browser I was using doesn’t get along with this site, it “toggles” me logged in and logged out and by the time I navigate to the thread I am toggled off … had to use MS Edge, ugh.
Anyway, I believe the NHL has revenue sharing.
Interestingly, the article on team revenue I saw (June 2024) showed the Oilers with the second highest revenue. I never would have guessed that. Panthers were bottom 6, but I think maybe they were the only tax-free state in the bottom 10?
I think the Leafs do get an advantage in terms of just being a wealthy enough franchise that they can structure their contracts with large lump sums (??) I am not positive how any of this works.
Gave it a quick read, basically cut 6% from the top 10 teams and give it to the bottom 10 teams and yeah, a team like Toronto who the fuck knows what they’ll do, they’re rich lol.
Wife and I were just talking about whether or not the Leafs would have won without a cap. I know they failed for decades, but I am tempted to say that, with no cap, they would ice an all-star team every year and probably would have won.
I also wonder how much they can make handshake deals and promise people lucrative retirement gigs (Tavares??) I don’t imagine that is legal, but it would be nearly impossible to enforce that rule.
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Leafs need to target Boeser, to replace the Marner offense. Also move on from Kampf, Robertson & McMann.
Insofar as I’m aware the Leafs have no interest in Boeser. I think he’s going to be around $8.5m – maybe more – and that’s not money we need to be spending.
Let’s assume that they trade Jarnkrok and Kampf, you basically have something like this:
Knies (7.8) – Matthews (13.3) – Maccelli (3.4)
?? – Tavares (4.4) – Nylander (11.5)
Domi (3.8) – Roy (3) – McMann (1.4)
?? – Laughton (1.5) – Lorentz (1.35)Rielly (7.5) – Carlo (3.5)
McCabe (4.5) – Tanev (4.5)
Benoit (1.4) – OEL (3.5)Stolarz (2.5)
Woll (3.7)$300k in dead cap to Benning and Reaves buried in the AHL and that leaves about $12.95 (just for the math of it, if they traded Domi it would make that 16.6m).
You could go after a Boeser and leave yourself little room . . . I’d commented a couple of pages back that I might just be okay with trading Domi if it could create more board competition in the bottom-6.
Guys like Mangiapane, Tanev or Brown add a more competitive dynamic. There are rumours they might try and acquire Kadri. I’d be somewhat down with that idea – but I’d like some retention given his age and the amount of term left. Granted I think that’s probably nostalgia talking more than sense. That said they have enough wiggle room if they can make some moves to control how to fill out those 2-3 forward places.
But context-wise these are projected cap numbers from capwages (some of which I’d disagree with, but it’s a basis for conversation):
Boeser: 8.5
Ehlers: 8.1
Drouin: 5
Suter: 5
Granlund: 5
Roslovic: 4.1
Mangiapane: 3.8
Olofsson: 3.4
Dadonov: 3.3
Nyquist: 3.2
Appleton: 3.2
Beauvillier: 3.2
Brown: 2.9
Raddysh: 2.7
Skinner: 2.6
Armia: 2.5
Bjugstasd: 2.3
Tanev: 2.2
Eller: 2.1
Kunin: 1.8
Dvorak: 1.8
Tatar: 1.5
Kuraly: 1.5
Brazeau: 1.5
Jeannot: 1.4
Sturm: 1.4
Eyssimont: 1.4
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Wife and I were just talking about whether or not the Leafs would have won without a cap. I know they failed for decades, but I am tempted to say that, with no cap, they would ice an all-star team every year and probably would have won.
I also wonder how much they can make handshake deals and promise people lucrative retirement gigs (Tavares??) I don’t imagine that is legal, but it would be nearly impossible to enforce that rule.
I am willing to bet JT ends up in the leafs office somehow… not as GM or anything “routinely” public, just some quiet guy that goes around doing the “occasional” public thing lol
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Does Dorofeyev get a new Rolex watch for giving up his #16 to Marner?
He could flip it to 61 but Stone would say fuck that!
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Leafs need to target Boeser, to replace the Marner offense. Also move on from Kampf, Robertson & McMann.
Boeser absolutely sucks. And he’s going to Minnesota anyway. You really need to stop advocating for a guy who was -25 with 25 goals coming to the Leafs on some giant contract.
Mangiapane is talking to the Bruins after having a career worst season.
The Leafs aren’t getting anybody of substance via the UFA market. Everybody good is either gone, going somewhere else while the rest suck balls or are going to get massively overpaid.
The Leafs are fucked.
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Boeser: 8.5
Ehlers: 8.1
Drouin: 5
Suter: 5 (Would do.)
Granlund: 5
Roslovic: 4.1
Mangiapane: 3.8
Olofsson: 3.4
Dadonov: 3.3
Nyquist: 3.2
Appleton: 3.2
Beauvillier: 3.2 (Yes.)
Brown: 2.9
Raddysh: 2.7
Skinner: 2.6 (If he wanted to sign on the cheap, I’d take him.)
Armia: 2.5
Bjugstasd: 2.3
Tanev: 2.2 (Love.)
Eller: 2.1
Kunin: 1.8
Dvorak: 1.8
Tatar: 1.5
Kuraly: 1.5
Brazeau: 1.5
Jeannot: 1.4
Sturm: 1.4
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I’ll be interested to see what Tre does today. So far everything he’s done on trades is for 1 year. Keeping his cap space open for next year.
I don’t mind that, it’s not the most stellar free agency so he may be doing this deliberately, looking at trades through the season or hoping that certain players reach free agency next year?
The primary thing will be focused on building up the secondary portion of the forward group is my guess. They stopped spending it all on star forwards and it’s time to spread it out.
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Does Dorofeyev get a new Rolex watch for giving up his #16 to Marner?
Nope #93 is what he choose and no Rolex going to Dorofeyev
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Leafs need to target Boeser, to replace the Marner offense. Also move on from Kampf, Robertson & McMann.
Boeser absolutely sucks. And he’s going to Minnesota anyway. You really need to stop advocating for a guy who was -25 with 25 goals coming to the Leafs on some giant contract.
Mangiapane is talking to the Bruins after having a career worst season.
The Leafs aren’t getting anybody of substance via the UFA market. Everybody good is either gone, going somewhere else while the rest suck balls or are going to get massively overpaid.
The Leafs are fucked.
dude, you took the words right out of my typing. Please , PLEASE
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Does Dorofeyev get a new Rolex watch for giving up his #16 to Marner?
Marner is going to wear 93 in vegas
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If the Leafs can land Tanev I’ll be a happy guy, I mean if they don’t oh well, but if they do it will make me smile.
Ditto for me
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I’m assuming they’ll be after one of Ehlers/Boeser today. Lots of fancy stuff out there suggests Ehlers has upside offensively ….Boeser is what he is. Haven’t seen enough of either but if they nabbed Ehlers at a good number then sure …
One of Tanev and Jeannot on low AAV 4th line torpedo deals would be nice too.
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Ditto for me
And no initials, those two brothers are pretty similar looking, the confusion on the opposition’s faces would be worth it lol
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Leafs need to target Boeser, to replace the Marner offense. Also move on from Kampf, Robertson & McMann.
But context-wise these are projected cap numbers from capwages (some of which I’d disagree with, but it’s a basis for conversation):
Boeser: 8.5
Ehlers: 8.1
Drouin: 5
Suter: 5
Granlund: 5
Roslovic: 4.1
Mangiapane: 3.8
Olofsson: 3.4
Dadonov: 3.3
Nyquist: 3.2
Appleton: 3.2
Beauvillier: 3.2
Brown: 2.9
Raddysh: 2.7
Skinner: 2.6
Armia: 2.5
Bjugstasd: 2.3
Tanev: 2.2
Eller: 2.1
Kunin: 1.8
Dvorak: 1.8
Tatar: 1.5
Kuraly: 1.5
Brazeau: 1.5
Jeannot: 1.4
Sturm: 1.4
Eyssimont: 1.4
Faksa: 1.3I’ll take a Granlund, a Tanev and an Eyssimont.
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The one common thing most of us want is Brandon Tanev. Some comments in here for Suter (who I like but is probably overpriced), Eyssimont, Jeannot, Granlund . . .
I’d like Brown and Mangiapane or Ehlers. I don’t know if they can get in on the Ehlers conversation – the problem I’d have with him is that he’s not a “DNA” changer. He’s more of the same. Mangiapane competes hard – but he’s probably a 20 goal guy at best. He had 35 a few years back and I don’t think that’s likely to repeat itself. Hell, I like Roslovic for the same idea that I know he battles hard and works hard. You don’t just want physicality, you want guys who want the puck and are willing to get a bit dirty to get it. I’d definitely say that both Jeannot and Eyssimont fall into this category. I don’t get some guys. Jeannot had 24 goals in 2021-22 and in 198 games since has scored 26. Eyssimont loves net front and gets a lot of HD chances – with terrible finish. One year I think he had the most individual HDCF/60 of any player (taking regular shifts) and then Tampa traded for him – because they would be on the ball for that type of thing – and his shooting percentage remained around 3%. How is it that bad on the lip of the crease?!
Anyway – we’re about an hour away and we’ll see what happens as it happens.
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The one common thing most of us want is Brandon Tanev. Some comments in here for Suter (who I like but is probably overpriced), Eyssimont, Jeannot, Granlund . . .
I’d like Brown and Mangiapane or Ehlers. I don’t know if they can get in on the Ehlers conversation – the problem I’d have with him is that he’s not a “DNA” changer. He’s more of the same. Mangiapane competes hard – but he’s probably a 20 goal guy at best. He had 35 a few years back and I don’t think that’s likely to repeat itself. Hell, I like Roslovic for the same idea that I know he battles hard and works hard. You don’t just want physicality, you want guys who want the puck and are willing to get a bit dirty to get it. I’d definitely say that both Jeannot and Eyssimont fall into this category. I don’t get some guys. Jeannot had 24 goals in 2021-22 and in 198 games since has scored 26. Eyssimont loves net front and gets a lot of HD chances – with terrible finish. One year I think he had the most individual HDCF/60 of any player (taking regular shifts) and then Tampa traded for him – because they would be on the ball for that type of thing – and his shooting percentage remained around 3%. How is it that bad on the lip of the crease?!
Anyway – we’re about an hour away and we’ll see what happens as it happens.
I think he’s looking for one top 6 FWD and one bottom 6 FWD. I assume he’ll be on the phone with Ehlers/Boeser but I’m expecting those guys will have a bunch of overpayment on the table from Ducks, Sharks, Hawks ….and others. Maybe Granlund on a short term …but if he’s 4x6M then I’d probably rather overpay Ehlers. Going to be a day for covering your eyes …lot of cap space …little on offer. Here’s hoping Kampf and Jarnkrok are moved.
Bottom 6 shaping up …
McMann-Roy-Domi …..not sure I love that mix?
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The one common thing most of us want is Brandon Tanev. Some comments in here for Suter (who I like but is probably overpriced), Eyssimont, Jeannot, Granlund . . .
I’d like Brown and Mangiapane or Ehlers. I don’t know if they can get in on the Ehlers conversation – the problem I’d have with him is that he’s not a “DNA” changer. He’s more of the same. Mangiapane competes hard – but he’s probably a 20 goal guy at best. He had 35 a few years back and I don’t think that’s likely to repeat itself. Hell, I like Roslovic for the same idea that I know he battles hard and works hard. You don’t just want physicality, you want guys who want the puck and are willing to get a bit dirty to get it. I’d definitely say that both Jeannot and Eyssimont fall into this category. I don’t get some guys. Jeannot had 24 goals in 2021-22 and in 198 games since has scored 26. Eyssimont loves net front and gets a lot of HD chances – with terrible finish. One year I think he had the most individual HDCF/60 of any player (taking regular shifts) and then Tampa traded for him – because they would be on the ball for that type of thing – and his shooting percentage remained around 3%. How is it that bad on the lip of the crease?!
Anyway – we’re about an hour away and we’ll see what happens as it happens.
I think he’s looking for one top 6 FWD and one bottom 6 FWD. I assume he’ll be on the phone with Ehlers/Boeser but I’m expecting those guys will have a bunch of overpayment on the table from Ducks, Sharks, Hawks ….and others. Maybe Granlund on a short term …but if he’s 4x6M then I’d probably rather overpay Ehlers. Going to be a day for covering your eyes …lot of cap space …little on offer. Here’s hoping Kampf and Jarnkrok are moved.
Bottom 6 shaping up …
McMann-Roy-Domi …..not sure I love that mix?
Lorentz-Laughton-XXX …I’m assuming they add a Jeannot, Brown or Kunin bottom 6’er.I’d heard for so long that Tanev wanted to play with his brother in Toronto that I’m believing this is his opportunity to make that happen – so I think he’s coming here. It doesn’t hurt that he has the same competitiveness and passion – albeit Brandon is less effective at his role than Chris is, but you want guys who don’t take shifts off. They can set the tone and elevate others around them.
McMann – Roy – Domi . . .I mean Domi probably needs size around him to excel, but what is the purpose of that line? Is it a scoring line? Supplemental scoring? Checking? Shut down? I don’t see it fitting into any of those boxes. The crazy thing is that Domi is a better player than Connor Brown, but Brown’s versatility would maybe make him preferable. With so few spots available, I don’t know. Could you go:
Knies – Matthews – Domi
Maccelli – Tavares – Nylander
Tanev – Roy – Brown
Lorentz – Laughton – McMann ?I think inherently I’d question Domi’s ability to hold down a top-6 job all season. This said, I’m not sure what credentials Maccelli brings to the table to get that promotion into a top-6 role either.
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Does Dorofeyev get a new Rolex watch for giving up his #16 to Marner?
Nope #93 is what he choose and no Rolex going to Dorofeyev
Marner goes back to his #93…..stoopid Lou.
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I’d heard for so long that Tanev wanted to play with his brother in Toronto that I’m believing this is his opportunity to make that happen – so I think he’s coming here. It doesn’t hurt that he has the same competitiveness and passion – albeit Brandon is less effective at his role than Chris is, but you want guys who don’t take shifts off. They can set the tone and elevate others around them.
McMann – Roy – Domi . . .I mean Domi probably needs size around him to excel, but what is the purpose of that line? Is it a scoring line? Supplemental scoring? Checking? Shut down? I don’t see it fitting into any of those boxes. The crazy thing is that Domi is a better player than Connor Brown, but Brown’s versatility would maybe make him preferable. With so few spots available, I don’t know. Could you go:
Knies – Matthews – Domi
Maccelli – Tavares – Nylander
Tanev – Roy – Brown
Lorentz – Laughton – McMann ?I think inherently I’d question Domi’s ability to hold down a top-6 job all season. This said, I’m not sure what credentials Maccelli brings to the table to get that promotion into a top-6 role either.[/quote]
Ya, Tanev’s a good candidate ..and he “might” come at a team friendly number if he’s zero’d in on playing with his brother.
If Ehlers won’t take a good number to come here then ya, I think you just zero in a good middle/bottom six types and you can go with a roster like yours.
Although I’m staying persistent on my take that 88 should be with 34.
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I think inherently I’d question Domi’s ability to hold down a top-6 job all season. This said, I’m not sure what credentials Maccelli brings to the table to get that promotion into a top-6 role either.
Ya, Tanev’s a good candidate ..and he “might” come at a team friendly number if he’s zero’d in on playing with his brother.
If Ehlers won’t take a good number to come here then ya, I think you just zero in a good middle/bottom six types and you can go with a roster like yours.
Although I’m staying persistent on my take that 88 should be with 34.
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Knies-JT-Maccelli/McMann[/quote]Problem with that is both Nylander and Matthews are both the primary shooters of the line. And both JT and Knies are the front of net guys. Whoever will be on the alternate wings just needs to be a half decent setup guy.
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I think inherently I’d question Domi’s ability to hold down a top-6 job all season. This said, I’m not sure what credentials Maccelli brings to the table to get that promotion into a top-6 role either.
Ya, Tanev’s a good candidate ..and he “might” come at a team friendly number if he’s zero’d in on playing with his brother.
If Ehlers won’t take a good number to come here then ya, I think you just zero in a good middle/bottom six types and you can go with a roster like yours.
Although I’m staying persistent on my take that 88 should be with 34.
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Knies-JT-Maccelli/McMannProblem with that is both Nylander and Matthews are both the primary shooters of the line. And both JT and Knies are the front of net guys. Whoever will be on the alternate wings just needs to be a half decent setup guy.[/quote]
Yeah, they need a balanced top 9, so moving Nylander to 1RW doesn’t make a ton of sense there.
Almost wondering if Nick Robertson stays now, plays with Roy on the 3rd line.
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Yeah, they need a balanced top 9, so moving Nylander to 1RW doesn’t make a ton of sense there.
Almost wondering if Nick Robertson stays now, plays with Roy on the 3rd line.
I won’t even pretend to know what the aim is, truly curious to see what the re-shaping will be.
A more balanced forward group is the target, it won’t look as special, but it will be more stable on the back end is my guess.
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Yeah, they need a balanced top 9, so moving Nylander to 1RW doesn’t make a ton of sense there.
Almost wondering if Nick Robertson stays now, plays with Roy on the 3rd line.
I just haven’t liked JT/88 together most of the time. They’ve outscored the scary stats but generally speaking they’ve been buried in possession. 88 and 34 have been dynamite together and I like JT playing with a couple of big fast wingers …Knies and McMann?
JT’s resume was built from playing with big grindy wingers like Okposo and Moulson.
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Problem with that is both Nylander and Matthews are both the primary shooters of the line. And both JT and Knies are the front of net guys. Whoever will be on the alternate wings just needs to be a half decent setup guy.[/quote]Yeah, they need a balanced top 9, so moving Nylander to 1RW doesn’t make a ton of sense there.
Almost wondering if Nick Robertson stays now, plays with Roy on the 3rd line.[/quote]
I guest he was qualified then.
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Kings are going for it next year.
There will be nothing left for the Queefs but table scraps lol
Well they signed Perry so they’re about to lose to a team from the East in the finals no? lol
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Who dafuq is Pazzetta?!?!?!
He is the Simon Benoit of the forwards
Totally. Flying double superman punch gonna land on Tkachuk and Marchand’s noggins next April. Book it.
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Who dafuq is Pazzetta?!?!?!
An AHLer who hits everybody and is from Toronto so now he’s a hero.
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Who dafuq is Pazzetta?!?!?!
He is the Simon Benoit of the forwards
This is a pretty good description.
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Who dafuq is Pazzetta?!?!?!
He is the Simon Benoit of the forwards
Then I love him, great pickup.
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Jeannot deal lol
Would rather the Pez Dispenser at league minimum.
He should be a decent marlie
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Boeser staying with the canucks 7 x $7.5m.
Well.
He fucking sucks. Dodged a big bullet.
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So is the addition of Marner and the subtraction of Peterangelo/Hague a wash?
Yeah the offence will get a boost but the Def is much worse.
Vegas getting old.. Not great depth up front or on D
Their D is still solid. Rasmus Andersson is next for Vegas anyway.
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Who dafuq is Pazzetta?!?!?!
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The good news might be that at these numbers we might get a 7th rounder for Kampf and Jarnkrok!!
I’m at the point where I’d be cool with giving one away for someone just to take them lol
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Jezuz ….this is looking like a good summer to sit the fuck out.
How many of these guys are going to get bought out ..or traded to Chicago next summer!
I’d toss the 11M in spending on anyone willing to take a 1 yr deal.
Dvorak got overpaid for 1 year in Philadelphia. There’s going to be a few teams reaching for the floor who will throw extra money and take contracts to fill space.
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the price for these depth signings is only going to help us move Kampf and Jarnkrok.
Why move jarnie?
They have no replacement yet.The 2025 leafw could look like a team of a bunch of jarnies
Would have been a great year to have kept out 1st rounder.
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Tanev joins utah
Tanev to Utah …3 x 2.5m
How could tre not match that?
Because it’s not 2.5 in Toronto. It’s closer to 2.8/2.9 AAV for the Leafs to match 2.5 in Utah.
Dodged a bullet, he’d be overpaid at that price.
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Tanev joins utah
Tanev to Utah …3 x 2.5m
How could tre not match that?
Maybe Tree did …maybe he offered him more?
Not a big loss. Lorentz does similar stuff for half the price.
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Maybe Tree did …maybe he offered him more?
Not a big loss. Lorentz does similar stuff for half the price.
Exactly. Tanev is only valuable to the Leafs if he’s playing for dirt cheap.
The real question is, how did the Leafs not make a bigger push to sign Corey Perry? They need his playoff mentality. Even at that 3.5 AAV, which they can afford on a 1 year deal, he’s worth to have around.
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So we are keeping our powder dry?
Until the trade deadline?
Write this year off, then throw all the AAV at 97 next year 😀
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Ken Holland is terrible
so so bad
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So we are keeping our powder dry?
Until the trade deadline?
Might still be in the Ehlers negotiations – apparently he’s going slow.
Otherwise ya, looks like Tree is saying no to any major overpays on these guys bottom 6 guys getting term and $$.
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So we are keeping our powder dry?
Until the trade deadline?
Might still be in the Ehlers negotiations – apparently he’s going slow.
Otherwise ya, looks like Tree is saying no to any major overpays on these guys bottom 6 guys getting term and $$.
Or look for bargains later in the summer
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Leafs need to target Boeser, to replace the Marner offense. Also move on from Kampf, Robertson & McMann.
Boeser absolutely sucks. And he’s going to Minnesota anyway. You really need to stop advocating for a guy who was -25 with 25 goals coming to the Leafs on some giant contract.
Mangiapane is talking to the Bruins after having a career worst season.
The Leafs aren’t getting anybody of substance via the UFA market. Everybody good is either gone, going somewhere else while the rest suck balls or are going to get massively overpaid.
The Leafs are fucked.
Wrong
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Knies, Matthews, Domi/Maccelli
Magiapani, Tavares, Nylander
McMann/Cowen, Roy, Domi/Maccelli
Lorentz, Laughton, Pezz
McMann/CowenMcCabe, Tanev
Rielly, Carlo
Benoit/OEL, Myers/OEL
Danforth?If they could sign Magiapani is that enough culture change for this year?
I would like Reilly traded still but I do think with some of the discount signings, JT/Knies, moving on from Marner that the $whomakesmore$ vibe will be different.
Pezz guy is a banger and can play better than Reaves so that’s a upgrade. Magi would be another upgrade. And more importantly addition by subtraction, ie: Kampf, Holmberg, Nikky bobby, Jarnkrok, Marner, maybe it’s enough change???
Summer’s not over yet. Reilly trade could still happen. A little D tweak could still happen. Everyone get their doctor appointments in and show up HEALTHY…looking at you Matthews…and maybe?
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What is the contract status of Nicky Bobby?
I guarantee he won’t be with the Leafs this year – just wondering when and how he will change teams.
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AW: Nikky Bobby is an RFA. They could just not qualify him I guess?
He was one short of twice as many goals as Maccelli. He’s going to arbitration if they don’t trade him.
After two top prospects left NA to go back to Europe and Holmberg was not qualified, Robertson is one of very, very few players the Leafs have under 25 that they drafted who can play in the NHL.
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AW: Nikky Bobby is an RFA. They could just not qualify him I guess?
I thought he got a qualifying offer?
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Surprised leafs passed on holmberg at 2 years 1.55
There’s a lot of players the Leafs passed on in that price range (1.5-2.5) that are better than Holmberg.
Eller, Sturm, Lafferty for a 6th, Faksa, Perry…
Leafs could have had a totally different bottom-6 with all the “savings”, they were going to sign all these fantastic UFAs…
Instead, we still got guys like Kampf, Jarnkrok, McMann, Robertson, Pezzetta…
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Happy with moves and non-moves so far. Tree needs to acquire a top 6 via a trade so we can shed some salary. Wonder who the trade bait top 6 options are?
Leafs only have Cowan as any leverage. Not sure how they will be able to make that work.
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Happy with moves and non-moves so far. Tree needs to acquire a top 6 via a trade so we can shed some salary. Wonder who the trade bait top 6 options are?
Leafs only have Cowan as any leverage. Not sure how they will be able to make that work.
Cowan, Robertson sign/trade, possibly Bobby Mack. Package deal, Jarnkrok as the throw-in, maybe Kampf as a cap dump for a pick to a cap ceiling team.
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I forgot patches is still available. I would take him back on the cheap again. I liked his game.
Out: Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves, Robertson, McMann
In: Jenner, McBain, OleksiakKnies | Matthews | Domi
Tavares | Jenner | Nylander
Maccelli | McBain | Roy
Lorentz | Laughton | Pacioretty
PezzettaOEL | Tanev
McCabe | Burns
Oleksiak | Carlo
BenoitWoll | Stolarz
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I forgot patches is still available. I would take him back on the cheap again. I liked his game.
Out: Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves, Robertson, McMann
In: Jenner, McBain, OleksiakKnies | Matthews | Domi
Tavares | Jenner | Nylander
Maccelli | McBain | Roy
Lorentz | Laughton | Pacioretty
PezzettaOEL | Tanev
McCabe | Burns
Oleksiak | Carlo
BenoitWoll | Stolarz
I don’t hate that. I would keep McMann over domi though
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Not sure Doz, if he did I missed it.
I double checked, he did.
https://theleafsnation.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-qualify-restricted-free-agents-robertson-hildeby
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I don’t hate that. I would keep McMann over domi though
I still think that team probably loses to Florida but it has a better chance than what we’re currently looking at which is pretty bad.
McMann was mostly useless in the playoffs. I think they could cash in on his higher value now and bring in somebody more impactful like Jenner or McBain. Domi is a very good playoff agitator and producer who makes a difference when it matters. Good playmaker option for Matthews too.
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Nazeeeeeem!
In true Leafs fashion, run a guy out of town at his best and his cheapest for a pile of shit in return, then bring him back after he’s won a Cup somewhere else and is washed and overpaid.
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Kadri for Kampf and Jarnkrok, straight up.
I think getting Kadri back would be a fucking stunner move. #93 this time too. Perfect time for him to bring the Cup experience and Cup home. Didn’t really want him to leave in the first place.
Tavares can take the draws, or teach him cuz he’s a 48.7%, but then let him do the center role and dish some sauce to WIlly and JT, while JT catches his breath on the D side 😉 (I know they’re the same age)
Knies, Matthews, Domi/Marcelli
Tavares, Kadri, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
Reilly, Carlo
Benoit, OELStoli
WollFuck ya. That team can hurt and score. I’m in!!!
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Kadri for Kampf and Jarnkrok, straight up.
Lets hope their m-ntc doesn’t put a wrinkle in that trade proposal or Kadri NMC.
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Kadri for Kampf and Jarnkrok, straight up.
I think getting Kadri back would be a fucking stunner move. #93 this time too. Perfect time for him to bring the Cup experience and Cup home. Didn’t really want him to leave in the first place.
Tavares can take the draws, or teach him cuz he’s a 48.7%, but then let him do the center role and dish some sauce to WIlly and JT, while JT catches his breath on the D side ???? (I know they’re the same age)
Knies, Matthews, Domi/Marcelli
Tavares, Kadri, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
Reilly, Carlo
Benoit, OELStoli
WollFuck ya. That team can hurt and score. I’m in!!!
That number has been retired for the Leafs team.
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I think getting Kadri back would be a fucking stunner move. #93 this time too. Perfect time for him to bring the Cup experience and Cup home. Didn’t really want him to leave in the first place.
Tavares can take the draws, or teach him cuz he’s a 48.7%, but then let him do the center role and dish some sauce to WIlly and JT, while JT catches his breath on the D side ???? (I know they’re the same age)
Knies, Matthews, Domi/Marcelli
Tavares, Kadri, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
Reilly, Carlo
Benoit, OELStoli
WollFuck ya. That team can hurt and score. I’m in!!!
Can’t do 93’ but he’d want 91’ anyways and I think JT at C on that line and Kadri out as the winger. JT has the faceoffs and the front of net work down and Kadri does board work beautifully when it comes to some of their personal strengths.
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Kadri for Kampf and Jarnkrok, straight up.
Let’s hope their m-ntc doesn’t put a wrinkle in that trade proposal or Kadri NMC.
Friedman suggests that Naz interested in coming home. Would probably cost more than those two
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Friedman suggests that Naz interested in coming home. Would probably cost more than those two
Toss Maccelli in there? ????
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You know an interesting thing . . . has anyone seen any of the Leafs players post farewells to Marner? Knies reposted the Leafs PR release. Usually teammates post emotional farewells to their friends and I haven’t seen anyone say anything about it.
I’m not saying they wanted it to happen or that they’re happy it did – but it doesn’t feel like anyone is all that devastated that he left. I find that a little strange. I don’t think he was a problem in the room – but maybe some of that yelling he was doing at the team while he was also flailing and failing was just wearing a little too thin.
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You know an interesting thing . . . has anyone seen any of the Leafs players post farewells to Marner? Knies reposted the Leafs PR release. Usually teammates post emotional farewells to their friends and I haven’t seen anyone say anything about it.
I’m not saying they wanted it to happen or that they’re happy it did – but it doesn’t feel like anyone is all that devastated that he left. I find that a little strange. I don’t think he was a problem in the room – but maybe some of that yelling he was doing at the team while he was also flailing and failing was just wearing a little too thin.
This is a cope.
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You know an interesting thing . . . has anyone seen any of the Leafs players post farewells to Marner? Knies reposted the Leafs PR release. Usually teammates post emotional farewells to their friends and I haven’t seen anyone say anything about it.
I’m not saying they wanted it to happen or that they’re happy it did – but it doesn’t feel like anyone is all that devastated that he left. I find that a little strange. I don’t think he was a problem in the room – but maybe some of that yelling he was doing at the team while he was also flailing and failing was just wearing a little too thin.
I heard him chatting with the guys on sportsnet today and he mentioned everyone on the team and didn’t bring him up once. It’s sounding like Marner isn’t being missed.
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You know an interesting thing . . . has anyone seen any of the Leafs players post farewells to Marner? Knies reposted the Leafs PR release. Usually teammates post emotional farewells to their friends and I haven’t seen anyone say anything about it.
I’m not saying they wanted it to happen or that they’re happy it did – but it doesn’t feel like anyone is all that devastated that he left. I find that a little strange. I don’t think he was a problem in the room – but maybe some of that yelling he was doing at the team while he was also flailing and failing was just wearing a little too thin.
I heard him chatting with the guys on sportsnet today and he mentioned everyone on the team and didn’t bring him up once. It’s sounding like Marner isn’t being missed.
It was reported a while back that the team was really not as close as the outside perception
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My god the Leafs have perfected the run it back. Kadri would be the lolz king daddy topper and cement just how utterly brain dead our management has been and is. DNA change pffffft.
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My god the Leafs have perfected the run it back. Kadri would be the lolz king daddy topper and cement just how utterly brain dead our management has been and is. DNA change pffffft.
Who here remembers Wendel’s third stint as a Maple Leaf?
Not me. I’ve completely blocked it from my memory. Much like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
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Nazeeeeeem!
In true Leafs fashion, run a guy out of town at his best and his cheapest for a pile of shit in return, then bring him back after he’s won a Cup somewhere else and is washed and overpaid.
Kadri had more goals last season than he ever had with the Leafs.
older, but not sure Washed is the best description
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Surprised leafs passed on holmberg at 2 years 1.55
There’s a lot of players the Leafs passed on in that price range (1.5-2.5) that are better than Holmberg.
Eller, Sturm, Lafferty for a 6th, Faksa, Perry…
Leafs could have had a totally different bottom-6 with all the “savings”, they were going to sign all these fantastic UFAs…
Instead, we still got guys like Kampf, Jarnkrok, McMann, Robertson, Pezzetta…
Perry is up to $4m with bonuses…so nowhere near that range.
We’ve already had lafferty…so it wouldnt be much change there.
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Kadri for Kampf and Jarnkrok, straight up.
Why would Calgary do that?
The leafs are fine down the middle, they need wingers.Beggers can’t be choosers at this point. Leafs need to add some offense into the top 6 any way they can. JT or Roy can both play the wing if needed.
The talking heads are all saying nobody is selling. So the options are Ehlers …..or somebody’s bad contract (Kadri).
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So the Leafs have 5.8 in cap space.
but if you punt Kampf and remove Reaves, that bumps up to 9.5 or soWeird spot for the Leafs to be, having lots of cap space
Yeah they have a bit of space but they also need to sign Robertson, he should be cheap though. Kampf, Reavo, Jarnkrok could be moved.
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Yeah they have a bit of space but they also need to sign Robertson, he should be cheap though. Kampf, Reavo, Jarnkrok could be moved.
Im hoping the Leafs make a trade to upgrade something, Robertson could be used with some other stuff.
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Beggers can’t be choosers at this point. Leafs need to add some offense into the top 6 any way they can. JT or Roy can both play the wing if needed.The talking heads are all saying nobody is selling. So the options are Ehlers …..or somebody’s bad contract (Kadri).
Or….dont make a bad trade for a long term mid range contract for a 33/34 year old.
I believe the leafs 1st they traded for Carlo is top 5 and 10 protected – gets booted to 2028. I think. If so, I dont mind if the leafs are completely garbage this year, get the 10th pick and save cap for next year.
Time to see if Matthews can really carry this team. Im not 100% sure he can.
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My guess is that Robbie is a sign and trade as part of a top 6 deal. Toss Cowan in and we can hopefully pick up somebody good in their prime.
Honestly, the leafs simply cannot afford to lose any “high end” prospect they have left. Keep Cowan. This team isnt any closer to going a cup run as of today. Save your bullets.
I think Tre goes bargain bin shopping in the FA marker….maybe skinner, patches and nyquist on a year deals.
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My guess is that Robbie is a sign and trade as part of a top 6 deal. Toss Cowan in and we can hopefully pick up somebody good in their prime.
Honestly, the leafs simply cannot afford to lose any “high end” prospect they have left. Keep Cowan. This team isnt any closer to going a cup run as of today. Save your bullets.
I think Tre goes bargain bin shopping in the FA marker….maybe skinner, patches and nyquist on a year deals.
Dumping Kampf and reaves wont bring back anything….other than a late round pick.
Maybe adding Robertson…gets a player back with a pulse….not sure its a top 6 winger though.They’re in win now mode though, so I definitely could see them moving Cowan for the right player.
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It’s starting to look like the leafs are looking to use short term contracts this year unless it’s a core guy. As it stands 5 forwards are done after this year. I won’t be shocked if that’s all the leafs do to fill out the roster because there is nothing they currently see available that they consider a long term solution.
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Beggers can’t be choosers at this point. Leafs need to add some offense into the top 6 any way they can. JT or Roy can both play the wing if needed.
The talking heads are all saying nobody is selling. So the options are Ehlers …..or somebody’s bad contract (Kadri).
I posted this twice now and it didn’t take. I find that unusual. Something in the original tagging of your post when quoting it maybe?
Most teams consider themselves in the window, on the way up or sustaining a level of competitiveness right now. The only teams I can see who would or should be dealing are Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, the Islanders, Nashville, Boston and Calgary.
If you look at the moves they made in the past few days . . .the Islanders dealt Dobson and their only notable signing was Drouin; I will say that outside of Pelech and Pulock, I’ve never liked the performance vs. salary for most of their forwards.
Philly overpaid Dvorak and Vladar – but I think they are just biding time while they wait for some of their picks to come to fruition while never bottoming out enough to finish the job. Michkov is excellent but the rest of their youth is pretty questionable. I like Bonk, Luchanko and Barkey fine but none of them are significant needle movers. This year they drafted Martone, who feels a little like Knies – but it’s far from enough to help them. That said their only players of interest are Couturier, Konecny and Ristolainen. Personally not a fan of Risto and neither Konecny (8.8) or Couturier (7.8) are worth their contracts.
I think Nashville, Boston and Calgary all want to see where their teams end up before they consider making a move.
Off of Nashville we all like O’Reilly and Bunting isn’t dreadful @ $4.5, albeit there are better options at that cap hit.
Not clear on Boston but most of their signings feel like guys you sign to trade later – like Eyssimont and Jeannot both feel like TDL guys, but the term given to Jeannot says otherwise.
Calgary – who haven’t said their open for business, but they have also said that they are adhering to a process which strongly alludes to a rebuild. They have pieces people would like – Andersson, Weegar or Coleman – The other problem is that they have guys who are making more than most teams would want to pay for the guys – like Huberdeau, Kadri, Sharangovich or Lomberg
Pittsburgh seem the only team that’s truly understood their fate and word is that Dubas is basically Monty Halling the teams around the league. Granted – and it’s been discussed to death before – Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson and Letang all have full NMCs and Rakell, Hayes, Heinen, Graves and Acciari all have partial NTCs. The only guys they can easily move that I’d think are marketable are Rust and Lizotte
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Can’t do 93’ but he’d want 91’ anyways and I think JT at C on that line and Kadri out as the winger. JT has the faceoffs and the front of net work down and Kadri does board work beautifully when it comes to some of their personal strengths. – Dozzie
Just because I’m bored…
In theory, Gilmour could ask him to wear #93, like Ace Bailey did with Ron Ellis and #6.
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It’s starting to look like the leafs are looking to use short term contracts this year unless it’s a core guy. As it stands 5 forwards are done after this year. I won’t be shocked if that’s all the leafs do to fill out the roster because there is nothing they currently see available that they consider a long term solution.
keeping a lot of space for a certain player im sure a bit of it. and i think you have to until its no longer an option
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keeping a lot of space for a certain player im sure a bit of it. and i think you have to until its no longer an option
It’s going to be a shame having to trade them Michael Pezzata so that we don’t get busted for tampering.
Kampf for Mcd, the trade is 1 for 1
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It’s starting to look like the leafs are looking to use short term contracts this year unless it’s a core guy. As it stands 5 forwards are done after this year. I won’t be shocked if that’s all the leafs do to fill out the roster because there is nothing they currently see available that they consider a long term solution.
keeping a lot of space for a certain player im sure a bit of it. and i think you have to until its no longer an option
Yup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
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Yup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
like Tavres to the Leafs was a long shot, I thought there was like 2% chance.
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My guess is that Robbie is a sign and trade as part of a top 6 deal. Toss Cowan in and we can hopefully pick up somebody good in their prime.
Since Bobbyson is RFA, and this goes to arbitration, the Leafs would not be able to trade him.
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Yup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
I get what you’re saying but how in the hell do the leafs sign him without getting rid of Matthews? That would have to happen.
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So I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
while I dont buy the, you have to replace Marners 100 points thing. there is more too it. Like the 2 players you mention take other players spots or push others down..who would have also produced.
but these are the /82 game production for them
Macelli 46
Roy 38 (41 over past 4 seasons)Both those are prob on the low side, but maybe they dont play full 82
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Marner already ruining Vegas.
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Yup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
I get what you’re saying but how in the hell do the leafs sign him without getting rid of Matthews? That would have to happen.
Don’t the Leafs have $26M or something like that in cap space next year? Obviously, the rest of the team is going to be filled with plugs (look at the current Oilers), but historically, 97 can single-handedly drag a team of plugs to the finals. Roughly, last year’s leaf team minus Marner and plus McDavid gives an aging Florida team their toughest challenge.
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while I dont buy the, you have to replace Marners 100 points thing. there is more too it. Like the 2 players you mention take other players spots or push others down..who would have also produced.
but these are the /82 game production for them
Macelli 46
Roy 38 (41 over past 4 seasons)Both those are prob on the low side, but maybe they dont play full 82
I get what you’re saying hence my low estimates but who are they replacing? Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves, Robertson? Hell, those 4 didn’t even land 50 last year.
I won’t miss Marner, he’s got great hands and he’s a fantastic passer but he’s simply not worth what a Canadian team would have to pay to keep him around. Keep targeting the American players Toronto, that way you give it all to them as a bonus July 1st while they live in the US and only pay them league minimum through the season just like you do with Matthews.
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So I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
The ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
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My guess is that Robbie is a sign and trade as part of a top 6 deal. Toss Cowan in and we can hopefully pick up somebody good in their prime.
Since Bobbyson is RFA, and this goes to arbitration, the Leafs would not be able to trade him.
You can still trade him NOW. I’m pretty sure the arbitration restrictions apply once the hearing happens. So there’s like a 48 hour window between the hearing and the ruling – during this period a player can’t be traded. Even after a player (or team) elects for arbitration, the player can be traded until the hearing happens.
So if the player elects arbitration, the team can’t trade them if they don’t accept the award, but they can walk away (losing the player as a UFA).
If the team elects arbitration, the team cannot walk away and must accept the award.Once an award is accepted, the player can be traded.
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The ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
Yeah I’m not really seeing much of a free agent year for the leafs tbh. Everyone seemed to be expecting some sort of big move when all I’ve truly expected was a build up of the bottom six.
Maybe when it comes to replacing Marner the leafs will just use the most recent London Knight who won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy ????
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I won’t miss Marner, he’s got great hands and he’s a fantastic passer but he’s simply not worth what a Canadian team would have to pay to keep him around. Keep targeting the American players Toronto, that way you give it all to them as a bonus July 1st while they live in the US and only pay them league minimum through the season just like you do with Matthews.
Sounds like that “loophole” is going to be closed in the next CBA, and a lower percentage of the contract can be paid in signing bonuses. So now, not only are we dealing with higher tax rates for Canadian players, (which, fuck you Gary Betman, is 1000% a MAJOR consideration for players), it’ll be harder to attract Americans to play in Canada.
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Sounds like that “loophole” is going to be closed in the next CBA, and a lower percentage of the contract can be paid in signing bonuses. So now, not only are we dealing with higher tax rates for Canadian players, (which, fuck you Gary Betman, is 1000% a MAJOR consideration for players), it’ll be harder to attract Americans to play in Canada.
Why bother?
Americans in Canada is the easy part.
As I’ve said it’s just like Matthews. He only gets paid league minimum and gets everything else as a bonus while living in Arizona on July 1st.
The tough people to keep in Canada are the Canadians, and there are loads of Canadian stars and that’s who they currently want in the US.
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So I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
Yup.
As I posted earlier, grab a skinner, patches and or Nyquist on one year deals….get two or all three.
Im sure cowan will play a role as well.Or maybe spend a little more and get one of Olofsson, beauvillier or roslovic…but the term may need to be longer
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Yup.
As I posted earlier, grab a skinner, patches and or Nyquist on one year deals….get two or all three.
Im sure cowan will play a role as well.Or maybe spend a little more and get one of Olofsson, beauvillier or roslovic…but the term may need to be longer
I’m beginning to guess term isn’t something Treliving is willing to offer this year. Why? I won’t even pretend to know. My guess is it’s because unlike previous GMs he’s simply not seeing anyone he likes as more than a one year fill in.
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I’m beginning to guess term isn’t something Treliving is willing to offer this year. Why? I won’t even pretend to know. My guess is it’s because unlike previous GMs he’s simply not seeing anyone he likes as more than a one year fill in.
This years UFA class was extremely weak compared to other years, and certainly when compared to next year. For that reason, I’ve been saying for months that next year is going to be a step backward and I saw the writing on the wall with Marner. Unless there is a big splash coming, Brad has cap space available at the TDL and lots available for July 1st, 2026. While I don’t expect the Leafs to win the division next year, I’m still excited for the future. Knies re-signing was a huge positive for the Leafs moving forward.
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They’re in win now mode though, so I definitely could see them moving Cowan for the right player.They’ve been in “win now mode” for 5 years. Time to re-access.
Besides, I think Cowan is part of their plans going forward….at least for this year.What’s to re-assess? They moved out Marner, they need to fill that roster spot, and the only UFA option is Ehlers, who’s a LW anyways and not a Berube player, so what else are they supposed to do?
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Vinni Lettieri, boys, plan the parade.
Waiting for the pictures of him in Leaf PJs.
Another 1 year deal.
A bottom six build up year just like I mentioned. My primary curiousity at this point is who are they going to dump and how.
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Vinni Lettieri, boys, plan the parade.
Waiting for the pictures of him in Leaf PJs.
Another 1 year deal.
A bottom six build up year just like I mentioned. My primary curiousity at this point is who are they going to dump and how.
You gotta figure Kampf and Jarny are on their way to San Jose. They need to get to the cap floor and now that their bonuses are paid, SJ can take on their full cap hits without having to pay real dollars for their contracts.
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What’s to re-assess? They moved out Marner, they need to fill that roster spot, and the only UFA option is Ehlers, who’s a LW anyways and not a Berube player, so what else are they supposed to do?
They aren’t bringing in another star player. That has been the complaint. The leafs were built wrong. Too many stars and not enough character.
It will be an average winger who can feed Matthews and Knies for that line moving forward and that is it. They’re already spending $20 million on the top line, they won’t be spending much more. The person who gets added will be carried by those two, not a guy who will be expected to carry those two.
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You gotta figure Kampf and Jarny are on their way to San Jose. They need to get to the cap floor and now that their bonuses are paid, SJ can take on their full cap hits without having to pay real dollars for their contracts.
Yup, and now Jarnkrok will only cost $775K more and Kampf will only cost $3.48 million more post this years bonuses.
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What’s to re-assess? They moved out Marner, they need to fill that roster spot, and the only UFA option is Ehlers, who’s a LW anyways and not a Berube player, so what else are they supposed to do?
They aren’t bringing in another star player. That has been the complaint. The leafs were built wrong. Too many stars and not enough character.
It will be an average winger who can feed Matthews and Knies for that line moving forward and that is it. They’re already spending $20 million on the top line, they won’t be spending much more. The person who gets added will be carried by those two, not a guy who will be expected to carry those two.
Never said a star, but it’ll be a top 6, not a tweener, a legit top 6 RW. Win now, they’re not going to want to take a massive step back next year, not with how their contracts line up for expiry, especially on the backend.
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Guys, Codi Ceci is making $100k MORE than JT for the next 4 years.
JT is an absolute beauty.
Remember watching him with the 67’s. Played 35 minutes a night. Not sure who has proven to be the most legendary of being absolutely mid/terrible but are such great athletes, their coaches fall in love and play them 24/7…him or Jack Johnson?
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Never said a star, but it’ll be a top 6, not a tweener, a legit top 6 RW. Win now, they’re not going to want to take a massive step back next year, not with how their contracts line up for expiry, especially on the backend.
$3.5 million is about all they’ll spend on the top line winger role now. That would literally put the top line over 25% of the salary cap.
The highly paid Marner is out, and has been replaced with Knies, who is literally only making about $3 million less, hence why they can spend that on the other winger. Which means they’d be spending about the same amount on the top line as they were last year.
The overpaid top six days are done in Toronto. Good. Instead of an $11 million dollar winger and a $900K winger we have a $7.75 million winger and a $3.5 million dollar winger. They’d literally only be saving about $650K from last year doing this on that line.
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So I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
The ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
You’re forgetting the 60-75+ assists Marner brings. Matthews is more likely to be worse without Marner, don’t see him getting anywhere near 60-70 again. Knies too. The PP will suffer, which means Nylander and Tavares suffer too, which already sucked because of horrid coaching.
I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards? We’re not talking about a team that has been a proven winner and is losing somebody lower in the line-up. We’re talking about a team that lost it’s #1 point producer and can’t even get out of the 2nd round and just got worse while their #1 competitor is as good, potentially better when they get to the next trade deadline.
Nic Roy is a 3rd line winger. He’s not a replacement like Tkachuk was for Huberdeau. This team has not yet and probably never will recover from losing such a high prized asset for next to nothing.
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its not likley Matthews would score 60 again whether Marner was there or not.
Matthews is the only player to do it twice in the last 30 years and anyone who did it 3 times, played in the 80sOvechkin only did it once.
Marner did not want to re-sign, and wouldnt let the Leafs trade him (his right), but still fucking annoying if he was leaving anyway.
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I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards
has a selke nominated 100 point player ever changed teams before?
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its not likley Matthews would score 60 again whether Marner was there or not.
Matthews is the only player to do it twice in the last 30 years and anyone who did it 3 times, played in the 80sOvechkin only did it once.
Marner did not want to re-sign, and wouldnt let the Leafs trade him (his right), but still fucking annoying if he was leaving anyway.
no point crying over it. hes goneApparently Marner had no intention of staying the whole past year. That’s annoying.
If true, had he accepted a trade, I think he could have save his reputation with most fans in Toronto.
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Never said a star, but it’ll be a top 6, not a tweener, a legit top 6 RW. Win now, they’re not going to want to take a massive step back next year, not with how their contracts line up for expiry, especially on the backend.
$3.5 million is about all they’ll spend on the top line winger role now. That would literally put the top line over 25% of the salary cap.
The highly paid Marner is out, and has been replaced with Knies, who is literally only making about $3 million less, hence why they can spend that on the other winger. Which means they’d be spending about the same amount on the top line as they were last year.
The overpaid top six days are done in Toronto. Good. Instead of an $11 million dollar winger and a $900K winger we have a $7.75 million winger and a $3.5 million dollar winger. They’d literally only be saving about $650K from last year doing this on that line.
3.5M is not a top 6 winger. Move Kampf and Reaves out, and we have like 9M and change, not to mention Jarnkrok.
Let’s see what Tree can do before opening night; it’s only July 2nd.
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3.5M is not a top 6 winger. Move Kampf and Reaves out, and we have like 9M and change, not to mention Jarnkrok.
Let’s see what Tree can do before opening night; it’s only July 2nd.
They’re not spending over $25 million on the top line. They had a top line winger making less than a million last year. Also you guys are also dismissing the possibility of Cowan who won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy just like Marner did the year before his first year in the NHL.
They’re not going to go hand out another $7+ million multi year contract especially when the GM isn’t signing anyone else to multi year contracts.
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3.5M is not a top 6 winger. Move Kampf and Reaves out, and we have like 9M and change, not to mention Jarnkrok.Let’s see what Tree can do before opening night; it’s only July 2nd.
But who the heck is trading for Kampf and Reaves? Also who has a top line winger that they are willing to move? Im sure Tre has a list of possible candidates, but do the leafs even have what the other team would want?
Ya cant mortgage the whole future.
I wish this were NHL 2023 on PS4….probably could get a 4th for Reaves. lolStill early though
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But who the heck is trading for Kampf and Reaves? Also who has a top line winger that they are willing to move? Im sure Tre has a list of possible candidates, but do the leafs even have what the other team would want?
Ya cant mortgage the whole future.
I wish this were NHL 2023 on PS4….probably could get a 4th for Reaves. lolStill early though
SJ might take guys like Kampf now, and Reaves can be buried. After this years bonus Kampf only is owed $3.48 million more of his contract.
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its not likley Matthews would score 60 again whether Marner was there or not.
Matthews is the only player to do it twice in the last 30 years and anyone who did it 3 times, played in the 80sOvechkin only did it once.
Marner did not want to re-sign, and wouldnt let the Leafs trade him (his right), but still fucking annoying if he was leaving anyway.
no point crying over it. hes goneIf healthy and with Marner, there’s a very good chance Matthews could score 60+ again. That’s why they re-signed him. You think you keep a player at that price if you think he’s NEVER going to be able to do it again?
Marner would have stayed at 14, which was a discount to the 12 he got in Vegas which would have been 16.5 in Toronto. And they should have signed him.
The cap went up 7 AAV. Trade Rielly, Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. and they could have created more cap space. With Tavares and Marner at 4 and 14, it still would have been less than the nearly 22 they cost last year.
The Leafs decided they had to move on because of the idiots in the media and the idiots in the fanbase screaming for change. Now they got change; they got worse.
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I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards
has a selke nominated 100 point player ever changed teams before?
I doubt thats ever happened to start with, so not possible to win a cupif it has happened, who was it?
otherwise what a stupid questionI haven’t gone through every single player but no, probably has not happened. It’s a perfectly good, valid question. It’s the type of question this management is clearly too stupid to ask itself to realize how dumb they are for allowing it happen.
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I asked this way before he left and I’ll ask it again, what team out there lost a 100 point Selke nominated player for basically nothing and then won the Cup afterwards
has a selke nominated 100 point player ever changed teams before?
I doubt thats ever happened to start with, so not possible to win a cupif it has happened, who was it?
otherwise what a stupid questionOf all the things that have ever happened, they hadn’t happened until they did happen. Crazy stat.
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If healthy and with Marner, there’s a very good chance Matthews could score 60+ again. That’s why they re-signed him. You think you keep a player at that price if you think he’s NEVER going to be able to do it again?
Marner would have stayed at 14, which was a discount to the 12 he got in Vegas which would have been 16.5 in Toronto. And they should have signed him.
The cap went up 7 AAV. Trade Rielly, Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. and they could have created more cap space. With Tavares and Marner at 4 and 14, it still would have been less than the nearly 22 they cost last year.
The Leafs decided they had to move on because of the idiots in the media and the idiots in the fanbase screaming for change. Now they got change; they got worse.
I said its not likely, thats not “NEVER”, a modern NHL’er having 3, 60 goal seasons is super rare…so its not likely.
Marner was gone regardless, just listen to his own words now that hes in Vegas.
get over it, hes a big boy made his choice.Marner couldnt take the criticism when he failed to help the team, not cut out for it in Toronto.
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MArner wasnt staying…even at a ridiculous $14m.
Apparently he had spoke to players in vegas about vegas earlier in the year.He wasnt staying at all and spending $14m on him…just like $10.9…isnt worth it. HE DISAPPEARS IN PLAYOFF GAMES 5-7.
So move on.
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Of all the things that have ever happened, they hadn’t happened until they did happen. Crazy stat.
Marner was nominated for a Selke 3 seasons ago.
i guess that happened
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Of all the things that have ever happened, they hadn’t happened until they did happen. Crazy stat.
Marner was nominated for a Selke 3 seasons ago.
i guess that happened
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I said its not likely, thats not “NEVER”, a modern NHL’er having 3, 60 goal seasons is super rare…so its not likely.
Marner was gone regardless, just listen to his own words now that hes in Vegas.
get over it, hes a big boy made his choice.Marner couldnt take the criticism when he failed to help the team, not cut out for it in Toronto.
It’s more likely than not had they kept Marner that he’d be more productive and more successful.
He made his choice after the Leafs fucked around and found out. His words at some bullshit press conference are irrelevant. Players don’t say anything other than whatever bullshit they’re trained to say to be bland and neutral.
The criticism isn’t what made him leave, as unfounded and irrational as it was. This dogshit management and embarrassment of a media owned franchise is at fault.
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MArner wasnt staying…even at a ridiculous $14m.
Apparently he had spoke to players in vegas about vegas earlier in the year.He wasnt staying at all and spending $14m on him…just like $10.9…isnt worth it. HE DISAPPEARS IN PLAYOFF GAMES 5-7.
So move on.
If a person wants to whine about leafs not keeping marner…whine about how marner who apparently was ready to move on, screwed the leafs out of Rantanan.Just like most other bullshit news you believe, you’ll always be a fucking sucker for media lies, especially when they’re owned by the team.
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3.5M is not a top 6 winger. Move Kampf and Reaves out, and we have like 9M and change, not to mention Jarnkrok.
Let’s see what Tree can do before opening night; it’s only July 2nd.
They’re not spending over $25 million on the top line. They had a top line winger making less than a million last year. Also you guys are also dismissing the possibility of Cowan who won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy just like Marner did the year before his first year in the NHL.
They’re not going to go hand out another $7+ million multi year contract especially when the GM isn’t signing anyone else to multi year contracts.
If the right guy is available through a trade, they’ll spend the money. Trade means money going out.
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MArner wasnt staying…even at a ridiculous $14m.
Apparently he had spoke to players in vegas about vegas earlier in the year.He wasnt staying at all and spending $14m on him…just like $10.9…isnt worth it. HE DISAPPEARS IN PLAYOFF GAMES 5-7.
So move on.
If a person wants to whine about leafs not keeping marner…whine about how marner who apparently was ready to move on, screwed the leafs out of Rantanan.Just like most other bullshit news you believe, you’ll always be a fucking sucker for media lies and narratives, especially when they’re owned by the team.
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Of all the things that have ever happened, they hadn’t happened until they did happen. Crazy stat.
Marner was nominated for a Selke 3 seasons ago.
i guess that happened
He’s been on the Selke voting list 7 years in a row. He finished 3rd two years ago, 7th this year.
Also averaged 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.
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to see UG shit his diaper is worth punting Marner
Good to know you’re happy to see your team get worse if it means you can hate on me. Tracks perfect.
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ppy to see your team get worse if it means you can hate on me. Tracks perfect.
We are a long long way from the Playoffs, no marner opens up a lot of opportunity to build a stronger team. they dont win shit with him.
so yes, I am glad to see you rage shitting your diaper
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He’s been on the Selke voting list 7 years in a row. He finished 3rd two years ago, 7th this year.
Also averaged 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.
wow, hang the “finished 3rd two years ago, 7th this year” banners to go with your, Won 1 round again and played 7 games against the Panthers awards
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He’s been on the Selke voting list 7 years in a row. He finished 3rd two years ago, 7th this year.
Also averaged 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.
wow, hang the “finished 3rd two years ago, 7th this year” banners to go with your, Won 1 round again and played 7 games against the Panthers awards
Marner also won the “Throws his gloves the hardest” award last year and the “Driest hair in a game 7 of the playoffs” award this year.
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I just don’t get it: we’ve been watching this same core 4 shit the bed over and over and over again, to the point where we’re (still) the laughing stock of the league, just a different brand of Maple Laffs.
We move Marner and get a serviceable 3C and our center depth is as good as it has been in years. We land a young playmaker with lots of upside for peanuts. Our D is still very good, our goaltending is still very good… we have cap space, the GM isn’t signing terrible UFA deals, and we’re in really good shape to make a trade for a bonefide top 6 winger especially if we can move out Kampf and Reaves and have all summer to do it.
Some of you just want to be miserable.
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ppy to see your team get worse if it means you can hate on me. Tracks perfect.
We are a long long way from the Playoffs, no marner opens up a lot of opportunity to build a stronger team. they dont win shit with him.
so yes, I am glad to see you rage shitting your diaper
Yup, Maccelli is going to drive the parade float himself when they sweep 16 straight to win the Cup.
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I just don’t get it: we’ve been watching this same core 4 shit the bed over and over and over again, to the point where we’re (still) the laughing stock of the league, just a different brand of Maple Laffs.
We move Marner and get a serviceable 3C and our center depth is as good as it has been in years. We land a young playmaker with lots of upside for peanuts. Our D is still very good, our goaltending is still very good… we have cap space, the GM isn’t signing terrible UFA deals, and we’re in really good shape to make a trade for a bonefide top 6 winger especially if we can move out Kampf and Reaves and have all summer to do it.
Some of you just want to be miserable.
And some of you just want to pretend like whatever this team does will always work. Even though it never does.
If the “core 4” was shit, trade Rielly. He’s been here the longest. Tavares was paid the most and did nothing except destroy the cap situation and inflate the cost of everybody else and play the worse defense of any top-six forward. Nylander disappeared after Game 3 but nobody said a peep because his hair is allowed to be dry while he plays. Matthews has been a disappearing act many times, nobody cares because he scored 69 regular season goals (followed by 1 playoff goal) and seems to always have an excuse whether it’s an undisclosed injury or shitting his pants. Better than dropping his pants in public I guess.
There’s piles of shit this team force feeds it’s fans and some people just love shoveling it into their mouths, waiting for the next playoff failure and offseason of excuses. Can’t wait to see who the next scapegoat will be while the old scapegoats win Cups.
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I just don’t get it: we’ve been watching this same core 4 shit the bed over and over and over again, to the point where we’re (still) the laughing stock of the league, just a different brand of Maple Laffs.
We move Marner and get a serviceable 3C and our center depth is as good as it has been in years. We land a young playmaker with lots of upside for peanuts. Our D is still very good, our goaltending is still very good… we have cap space, the GM isn’t signing terrible UFA deals, and we’re in really good shape to make a trade for a bonefide top 6 winger especially if we can move out Kampf and Reaves and have all summer to do it.
Some of you just want to be miserable.
*ONE* of us just wants to be miserable. The best part is, there was NOTHING Tre could have done to keep Marner. He had one foot out the door for well over a year now. There is no amount of money he would have accepted to stay. But, might as well yell at the clouds to get the attention his parents probably never gave him.
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Yup, Maccelli is going to drive the parade float himself when they sweep 16 straight to win the Cup.
Well technically they got Micelli, Roy and 7.6 mil cap space left for what Marner would take up in your fantasy world
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Well technically they got Micelli, Roy and 7.6 mil cap space left for what Marner would take up in your fantasy world
I’m starting to wonder if UG has invested in Marner jerseys, cards, toys, etc.
I mean seriously, the guy never won anything award and never helped get the leafs past the 2nd round, this is no big loss.
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Well technically they got Micelli, Roy and 7.6 mil cap space left for what Marner would take up in your fantasy world
Plan the parade.
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I mean seriously, the guy never won anything award and never helped get the leafs past the 2nd round, this is no big loss.
But keep Tavares, Rielly, Matthews and Nylander…? All of which have less career playoff points than Marner…
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Plan the parade.
You’re making me hope Cowan makes the team more and more and does just fine. I grew up with his aunt and still see her routinely.
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You’re making me hope Cowan makes the team more and more and does just fine. I grew up with his aunt and still see her routinely.
Cowan has nothing to do with Marner. He’s on an ELC. Both Cowan and the Leafs would still be better off with Marner and without Rielly and the rest of the garbage they’re keeping.
Congratulations on knowing his aunt.
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For you UG, wasn’t letting me reply directly:
Tavares is the short term cheap vet now so yes. Another thing to note about his upcoming contract is that the NMC becomes modified in the second half of the deal. Therefore if JT doesn’t endure very well, and let’s be fair he’s still punching out at nearly a PPG, they’ll be able to move him.
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I was hoping for a nice 1st line winger with size to play besides Matthews and Knies. A Legion of Doom clone. 3 guys with size driving to the net and working the corners. Not sure where Treliving will find one. The second line needs one as well. I’m not overly worried about the bottom 6. Rielly is the wild card on defense.
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Knies Matthews Macelli
McMann Tavares Nylander
Domi Roy Jarnkrok
Lorentz Loughton Kampf
PezzettaNot quite good enough IMO.
McMann is not top 6, Macelli might be. Having 2 question marks in the top 6 is not a good move. My guess is there is one more piece coming in and where there is smoke there is fire: Kadri?!? (or a top 6 RW for Knies/Matthews)
Then the line up could be:
Knies, Matthews, Domi/Macelli
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
McMann (Cowen), Roy, Macelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzThat’s a better balance of talent.
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Not quite good enough IMO.McMann is not top 6, Macelli might be. Having 2 question marks in the top 6 is not a good move. My guess is there is one more piece coming in and where there is smoke there is fire: Kadri?!? (or a top 6 RW for Knies/Matthews)
Then the line up could be:
Knies, Matthews, Domi/Macelli
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
McMann (Cowen), Roy, Macelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzThat’s a better balance of talent.[/quote]
There isnt even smoke with Kadri…just click bait from social media.
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Knies Matthews Macelli
McMann Tavares Nylander
Domi Roy Jarnkrok
Lorentz Loughton Kampf
Pezzetta1st round exit as a Wild Card team.
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1st round exit as a Wild Card team.
one round in the chamber, graveyard exit for Uggie.
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So, when is Bobbyson and the Leafs going to arbitration cause that’s what I think this were it’s headed in there negotiations with him
Arbitration hearings will be held July 20-Aug. 4 and though the judge can award a one- or two-year contract, the parties can negotiate any deal right up to the hearing date to avoid the process.
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Arbitration hearings will be held July 20-Aug. 4 and though the judge can award a one- or two-year contract, the parties can negotiate any deal right up to the hearing date to avoid the process.
If the award exceeds $4.85 million a year, the team can walk away and the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.Considering he got offered $919K I wonder how much more he wants? Sure he got 15 goals but only 22 points and it’s not like he’s physically notable.
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Friedman: “One other guy that I think the Leafs are in on is Jack Roslovic”This guy really flew under the radar, but he has a history with AM34, fits the age group, probably due for a raise but not too much from his 2.8M. Right shot, can play center and wing. I like it.
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I just read a blurb on him and he’s projected to get 1.38M cap hit for 2 years.
Not the end of the world I guess. Still easily tradeable if Treliving wants to I suppose.
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Friedman: “One other guy that I think the Leafs are in on is Jack Roslovic”This guy really flew under the radar, but he has a history with AM34, fits the age group, probably due for a raise but not too much from his 2.8M. Right shot, can play center and wing. I like it.
I won’t lie I’m liking Treliving’s focus atm. Seems a bit more on lines 3 and 4 and not at finding some top six guy to replace Marner which was the point all along.
They got their $7+ million dollar guy to replace Marner already, his name is Knies. The rest will be some nice intelligent moves around forward depth leading up til October is my guess unless there is some sort of no brainer move that comes along.
Imagine a 3rd line with Roslovic, Roy, and Robertson. I wouldn’t mind that line at all.
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Friedman: “One other guy that I think the Leafs are in on is Jack Roslovic”This guy really flew under the radar, but he has a history with AM34, fits the age group, probably due for a raise but not too much from his 2.8M. Right shot, can play center and wing. I like it.
I won’t lie I’m liking Treliving’s focus atm. Seems a bit more on lines 3 and 4 and not at finding some top six guy to replace Marner which was the point all along.
They got their $7+ million dollar guy to replace Marner already, his name is Knies. The rest will be some nice intelligent moves around forward depth leading up til October is my guess unless there is some sort of no brainer move that comes along.
Imagine a 3rd line with Roslovic, Roy, and Robertson. I wouldn’t mind that line at all.
I like Roslovic fine – but I have to admit that I liked him better in 2021-22 with Columbus – but the opportunity he had there (playing with Laine/Nyquist/Voracek) while Jenner was injured seemed to inspire him. Last year in Carolina he was given a shot with Jarvis and Aho but while his stats were okay, his actual play wasn’t very good – at least not defensively. I’m also not a huge fan of the fact that he’s not a PK option. I’d like to get more guys in that bottom-6 who are defensively sound, battle hard and are effective penalty killers.
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I like Roslovic fine – but I have to admit that I liked him better in 2021-22 with Columbus – but the opportunity he had there (playing with Laine/Nyquist/Voracek) while Jenner was injured seemed to inspire him. Last year in Carolina he was given a shot with Jarvis and Aho but while his stats were okay, his actual play wasn’t very good – at least not defensively. I’m also not a huge fan of the fact that he’s not a PK option. I’d like to get more guys in that bottom-6 who are defensively sound, battle hard and are effective penalty killers.
I do love how the Leafs management, media and fans ran a guy out of town because he “disappeared in the playoffs”, despite having more career playoff points than everybody on the team, but they’re going to bring in a guy with 3 playoff goals in 45 career playoff games and pretend it’s a good move.
So dismal was Roslovic in the playoffs even the Carolina Hurricanes, the ultimate work by committee team, threw him to the curb to replace him with Ehlers at double the price, another player with playoff numbers that scream meh.
Roslovic is more of the same garbage that guarantees the Leafs will not succeed in the playoffs.
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I won’t lie I’m liking Treliving’s focus atm. Seems a bit more on lines 3 and 4 and not at finding some top six guy to replace Marner which was the point all along.
They got their $7+ million dollar guy to replace Marner already, his name is Knies. The rest will be some nice intelligent moves around forward depth leading up til October is my guess unless there is some sort of no brainer move that comes along.
Imagine a 3rd line with Roslovic, Roy, and Robertson. I wouldn’t mind that line at all.
You’re on fentanyl if you think Knies can replace Marner. I’ll be happy to remind you of that when Knies doesn’t come anywhere close to 100 points and 75 assists.
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I like Roslovic fine – but I have to admit that I liked him better in 2021-22 with Columbus – but the opportunity he had there (playing with Laine/Nyquist/Voracek) while Jenner was injured seemed to inspire him. Last year in Carolina he was given a shot with Jarvis and Aho but while his stats were okay, his actual play wasn’t very good – at least not defensively. I’m also not a huge fan of the fact that he’s not a PK option. I’d like to get more guys in that bottom-6 who are defensively sound, battle hard and are effective penalty killers.
The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
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You’re on fentanyl if you think Knies can replace Marner. I’ll be happy to remind you of that when Knies doesn’t come anywhere close to 100 points and 75 assists.
That pussy assed Marner doesn’t need to be around.
Matthews without Marner since 2020-21
25GP, 20G, 18A, 1.58PPG, +7
It was Matthews who was the star buddy, it’s Marner whose points will dive down, not the other way around. He still got 100P this year because he had Knies on his line and JT and Nylander to feed on the PP. fuck sakes you’re dense.
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That pussy assed Marner doesn’t need to be around.
Matthews without Marner since 2020-21
25GP, 20G, 18A, 1.58PPG, +7
It was Matthews who was the star buddy, it’s Marner whose points will dive down, not the other way around. He still got 100P this year because he had Knies on his line and JT and Nylander to feed on the PP. fuck sakes you’re dense.
The 29 goal and 58 point player is why the 100 point player got 75 assists.
Ros / Roy / Rob. That’s the Cup winning key.
Increase the dosage.
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The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
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The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
You miss the point about cap hit. If Leafs had paid $14M for Marner, there was no place for improvement elsewhere. 9 years of this kind of participation is enough to make a move. Marner was the only one of the young core that didn’t have a contract….hence, he was expendable.
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Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
You’re not a leafs fan, you’re a Canadian players fan.
Even as a Londoner I was happy to see him leave the Knights, Altho I found it a bit unfortunate it was to the leafs, I just hoped he’d grow up, he didn’t. Just stayed the wimpy defensively decent passer.
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I do love how the Leafs management, media and fans ran a guy out of town because he “disappeared in the playoffs”, despite having more career playoff points than everybody on the team, but they’re going to bring in a guy with 3 playoff goals in 45 career playoff games and pretend it’s a good move.
So dismal was Roslovic in the playoffs even the Carolina Hurricanes, the ultimate work by committee team, threw him to the curb to replace him with Ehlers at double the price, another player with playoff numbers that scream meh.
Roslovic is more of the same garbage that guarantees the Leafs will not succeed in the playoffs.
Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ. You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
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You miss the point about cap hit. If Leafs had paid $14M for Marner, there was no place for improvement elsewhere.
Your claim: Leafs saved cap space by letting go of a two-way 100 point, team leader in career playoff scoring in his prime so they could spend it on better players and/or better areas.
Reality: Vinni Lettieri. Bo Groulx. Travis Boyd. Dakota Mermis. Michael Pezzetta. Steven Lorentz. Nicolas Roy. Matias Maccelli.
They trying to win the Stanley Cup or the Calder Cup?
Unfortunately you and many others miss the point about the cap space. Cap space is irrelevant if there isn’t anybody as good or better to spend it on. Columbus and San Jose has cap space. They can’t do shit with it and they still suck. The Leafs struck out on basically every single major UFA. They signed nobody significant. They got two bullshit wingers in trades. They got a winger who sucks at FOs, has size but doesn’t use it. They got a Finnish Kerfoot who scored 8 goals last year. That’s it. That was their BIG UFA UPGRADE CAP SPACE SPENDING EXTRAVAGANZA.
There was no Bennett. There was no Marchand. There was no Ekblad. There was no Boeser (he sucked balls anyway). There wasn’t a single player added who can bring the Leafs back to Game 7 vs. the Panthers, much less beat them. Nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip.
9 years of this kind of participation is enough to make a move.
So Rielly gets a free pass? Tavares free pass? Nylander free pass? Matthews free pass? Funny because Marner has more career playoff points than all of them, including Tavares despite being 7 years younger than him. Wasn’t Tavares supposed to be the guy who got the Leafs over the hump? But instead he sucked in the playoffs, destroyed the cap and they still brought him back? We need 4 more years of that because he’ll play old, shitty defense and disappear against Florida for half the price? Is that how the Cup is won now? Have worse players who lose you games at lower cap hits?
Marner was the only one of the young core that didn’t have a contract….hence, he was expendable.
Incorrect again. Expendable means garbage players who you can afford to lose because they can be replaced or improved upon. As I already proved to you earlier, they did not replace or improve jack shit. All the Leafs quantifiably worst players are all still on the team. Kampf is still here. So is Jarnkrok. So is a lot of other garbage. There has been no actual improvement. This is a prime example of retarded asset management. Nylander gets the Leafs the biggest return. Tavares is the biggest addition by subtraction. Rielly is the next biggest. Marner had more success vs. the Panthers than all of them, but he’s the one that you deem expendable? That’s just retarded.
They could have let old ass Tavares and his defensive liabilities take a hike after he sucked balls vs. Florida after 7 years of overpayment and underdelivering. Zero accountability on that front. Rielly could have been traded to create more cap space too. Nylander could have been traded although the Leafs could still have managed to keep both him and Marner had they removed other, far less useful, less valuable players. I think they kept Johnny Pajamas just to try and win the PR battle and no surprise, a lot of the sheep fans are buying it.
Letting Marner leave wasn’t about who was expendable. It was about management being so incompetent they took the path of least resistance rather than doing what actually needed to be done to improve the team. Knies got paid but he won’t be as good as he could be without Marner. Same goes for Matthews. Same goes for the PP. Same goes for the PK. Same goes for the entire team. The Leafs got worse but they’re winning the PR battle so can keep selling hopeium and copeium instead of an actual chance to win a Cup.
Their only 0.01% chance of a prayer is McDavid and if he knows what’s good for him, he’ll go to Vegas too before coming to this shit show franchise.
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Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
This statement makes zero sense because this is the biggest loss the Leafs have had since maybe Sittler. You still waiting for Rich Costello to pan out? Did Peter Ihnacak bring the Cup home? That’s a giant L. And you’re the one that’s happy about it, not me. Seems like you’re one of the many that loves it when the Leafs lose which is exactly what they’ll continue to do as they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
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Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
This statement makes zero sense because this is the biggest loss the Leafs have had since maybe Sittler. You still waiting for Rich Costello to pan out? Did Peter Ihnacak bring the Cup home? That’s a giant L. And you’re the one that’s happy about it, not me. Seems like you’re one of the many that loves it when the Leafs lose which is exactly what they’ll continue to do as they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
You’re a loser dude. You have been for 10 years you’ve been lingering around, laying turds all over every forum you visit. Nobody agrees with you, nobody likes you, you’re a pariah, a troll, and a downer. Sports are fun, it’s entertainment, none of this matters, so lighten up Francis.
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Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
No one argues that Marner isn’t an exceptional hockey player. He’s a two-time first team all-star. He’s 5th in franchise scoring and 3rd in P/G (1.13) behind only Gilmour (1.15) and Matthews (1.16).
Marner was overpaid on his first contract extension and was insistent on, again, being overpaid on his next. You can claim it’s wrong or incorrect, but his peers took significantly less than he did. We can also claim that he’s compensating for taxes – but again, $61m of his $65.5m was paid out in signing bonus money that can be deferred or redirected somewhat. Did he still get dinged in taxes more than someone in Dallas or Florida? Yeah, he did. But so it goes. When we look at Marner’s $10.9m contract over 6 years and compare that to Rantanen’s $9.25m, which was signed two weeks later, you start to realize you got hosed in the Marner contract. Obviously other immediate comparables were Aho @ $8.5m, Eichel @ $10m, Kucherov @ $9.5m or Panarin @ $11.6m. A solid middle-ground in that mix is probably $9.5m.
But while this is speculation I think that Mitch was never truly happy in Matthews’ shadow. There were comments by his father or his agent which were direct shots at Matthews and either subtly, or not so much, throwing shade on the team’s franchise player. He said he was already done 2 years ago. If you make $11m and don’t accept the criticism that comes with your failures, you are the problem. For all that Matthews has not excelled in games 5-7 either, he was worn that mantle of failure and accepted it – he doesn’t get bombastic with the media or run away or check out and want to leave. He does get to hold the excuse that he was playing injured all season – and any of us who watched it could see it clear as day from game 1 against Montreal throughout the season that he wasn’t right.
That said, if he doesn’t manage to stay healthy enough to step up and lead by example, this will a wasted rebuild.
I’ve said before that the team will miss Marner – and they will – but you’re bitching about something Shanahan fucked them on over a year ago. Like it or not, Mitch was on the way out and he knew it – and he told the Leafs about it, apparently. At this point they need to balance the roster with a better mix of toughness to support the skilled guys. If the team itself is harder to play against they probably don’t miss Mitch’s contributions as much. I’m not saying they’ve done this for the record. I’m not a gigantic fan of their offseason moves so far – or lack thereof – but they are putting themselves in a position where they can.
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Was off on vacation for a week and didn’t crack open the laptop once just read all the goings on etc. on my phone.
I’m not sure what’s worse UG’s constant whining like the little bitch he is about things that can’t change or that are just plain flat out made up bullshit or trying to use this site on a mobile phone.
I used to be able to log in on my phone but can’t even do that anymore. lol
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Marner left on his accord…no fans “made” him leave….that’s a moronic statement.
But with that said, the leafs and Matthews will miss his reg season presence for sure and as of now, marner’s money doesnt seem to have been spent as well as hoped.
Now, I say this on July 7th…..well before Free agency comes to a close and the reg season starts….so alot can still change. Still so earlyAs with every single year, I usually dont judge the leafs until 20 games into the season…this year I’ll give them 30…..but I truly only care about what they do in the playoffs.
I expect marner to have an adjustment period as well (which Im sure the marner haters will use as a “see I told you he wouldnt get as many points”) but then he’ll continue to get lots of reg season points once adjusted. The true test for him will be in the playoffs – games 5 – 7.At the end of the day, marner turned down $13.5m per from the leafs. He chose to leave, not built for Toronto.
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Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.fire shapkins
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Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.Let’s revisit this come mid September. At least they kick some Yankee butts a series ago.
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Oh and the Jays are on fire, what a fun team to watch.
Havent been able to say that in years.fire shapkins
Then hire him back and make him wear a paper bag over his head.
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No one argues that Marner isn’t an exceptional hockey player. He’s a two-time first team all-star. He’s 5th in franchise scoring and 3rd in P/G (1.13) behind only Gilmour (1.15) and Matthews (1.16).
No, there are definitely some that do.
Marner was overpaid on his first contract extension and was insistent on, again, being overpaid on his next. You can claim it’s wrong or incorrect, but his peers took significantly less than he did. We can also claim that he’s compensating for taxes – but again, $61m of his $65.5m was paid out in signing bonus money that can be deferred or redirected somewhat.
That’s exactly what he’s compensating for and he couldn’t get big signing bonuses like Matthews and Tavares did to avoid the taxes. Nobody seems to give a fuck about that reality.
Did he still get dinged in taxes more than someone in Dallas or Florida? Yeah, he did. But so it goes.
Yes, he did. That’s not just some ho hum situation. It’s a difference of literally tens of millions of dollars.
But while this is speculation I think that Mitch was never truly happy in Matthews’ shadow.
Indeed, pure speculation. Speculation was also that Babcock got fired because he refused to play them together and that they were very close. Speculation is mostly bullshit because it can be created by any media, especially the one that owns the team and needs to weave PR webs of bullshit so idiots believe lies.
There were comments by his father or his agent which were direct shots at Matthews and either subtly, or not so much, throwing shade on the team’s franchise player.
Prove it, let’s see this evidence. And actual, real proof that he truly attacked or insulted Matthews, not some bullshit Twitter spat or a line taken out of context that’s twisted and interpreted to fit a narrative.
He said he was already done 2 years ago.
Again, prove it. If he was “done” why not take a trade out of town years earlier? Because it’s bullshit.
If you make $11m and don’t accept the criticism that comes with your failures, you are the problem.
He faced the media after every loss and accepted the criticism. He wasn’t the problem. The problem is that management can’t identify the actual garbage players on this team and keeps bringing them back while scapegoating Marner disproportionately.
For all that Matthews has not excelled in games 5-7 either, he was worn that mantle of failure and accepted it –
He accepted that he keeps being given excuses? He accepted it the same way everybody else did. He stood there with a stupid face and shrugged his shoulders.
he doesn’t get bombastic with the media or run away or check out and want to leave.
Another bullshit claim.
He does get to hold the excuse that he was playing injured all season – and any of us who watched it could see it clear as day from game 1 against Montreal throughout the season that he wasn’t right.
So he holds zero accountability? He was injured but still played for Team USA. He couldn’t sit that out? He couldn’t sit out after that tournament ended to give the Leafs more deadline cap space and heal for the playoffs? The pattern here is simple. Hate Marner, excuse everyone else. Tavares played like shit vs. Florida but who cares? Nylander has dry hair? Who cares. Matthews can’t show up for big games? Who cares. But if Marner does any of those things? Circle the wagons.
That said, if he doesn’t manage to stay healthy enough to step up and lead by example, this will a wasted rebuild.
This has already been a wasted rebuild. This team will implode in the next 2 years with Matthews being traded or walking as a UFA. This team is finished. The only reason to delay that blow up is they don’t have 1st round picks until 2028.
I’ve said before that the team will miss Marner – and they will – but you’re bitching about something Shanahan fucked them on over a year ago. Like it or not, Mitch was on the way out and he knew it – and he told the Leafs about it, apparently. At this point they need to balance the roster with a better mix of toughness to support the skilled guys. If the team itself is harder to play against they probably don’t miss Mitch’s contributions as much. I’m not saying they’ve done this for the record. I’m not a gigantic fan of their offseason moves so far – or lack thereof – but they are putting themselves in a position where they can.
This isn’t only Shanahan’s fault. The management team after Shanahan is just as retarded. Treliving ruined Calgary, he’s about to do the same here. This is his MO. He’s a bad GM who was hired as a puppet assistant to Shanahan, the same way that Dubas was a glorified assistant under Shanahan. These are bad managers, ALL OF THEM, and the results speak for themselves. The team is worse and won’t get better when or where it matters. Florida will destroy them for the foreseeable future.
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UG how about you STFU already. He’s traded.
Go spew your Marner jizz fest in the Vegas thread. Marner #93 Vegas Golden Knights.
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I was enjoying the cry fest a few days ago but UG is fucking relentless. He needs to STFU about it already. It’s done. Marner is gone.
I’m so hoping that when the leafs face the knights this year that Knies just levels Marner lol
Hahaha, thanks cuz that’s my new hope now too….but he has to put it over the glass in fear too!
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Marner is talented but UG’s crying is making him gone so fucking worth it that I’m loving it lol
I was enjoying the cry fest a few days ago but UG is fucking relentless. He needs to STFU about it already. It’s done. Marner is gone.
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Marner is talented but UG’s crying is making him gone so fucking worth it that I’m loving it lol
I’m sure he’ll find another topic to bitch about.
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I’m gonna need some cheese and crackers with all the whining going on.
Everytime line 1 is on the ice and doesn’t score by the time they go back to the bench this upcoming season UG is going to say “see?! The leafs would have scored if Marner was still here!”
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I was enjoying the cry fest a few days ago but UG is fucking relentless. He needs to STFU about it already. It’s done. Marner is gone.
I’m so hoping that when the leafs face the knights this year that Knies just levels Marner lol
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I’m sure he’ll find another topic to bitch about.
Oh I doubt he needs to find it. My guess is he already has an organized list of topics. My question is his timing of change.
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Marner is talented but UG’s crying is making him gone so fucking worth it that I’m loving it lol
I’m sure he’ll find another topic to bitch about.
He’s been going strong for almost 20 years now, so I have no doubt.
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Ok enough with the taxes bs.
Florida has had low taxes for pretty much its existence in the league, yet its only recently that they are attractive to players. Ffs bob had to be lure there with a crazy contract.
Its because they win…the past 3 years theyve been winners. Same with vegas.
They win
Im sure a little less tax is nice, but its not the major reason. If it was, players would be lining up to play for the kraken.The yank dollar taking a big hit, much like their economy. Going down, down down.
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Ok enough with the taxes bs.
Florida has had low taxes for pretty much its existence in the league, yet its only recently that they are attractive to players. Ffs bob had to be lure there with a crazy contract.
Its because they win…the past 3 years theyve been winners. Same with vegas.
They win
Im sure a little less tax is nice, but its not the major reason. If it was, players would be lining up to play for the kraken.The yank dollar taking a big hit, much like their economy. Going down, down down.
If you can choose between 4 or 5 good teams and 3 of them have no state tax compared to another 2 that have 20% more, I’m sure it’s a larger factor than you’d think. The fact that Florida, Tampa, Dallas and Vegas are all competitive teams is definitely going to help them – but it starts there. Having the tax advantage allows you to remain competitive longer and more easily because you do save $1m here or $2m there.
Something else that’s important is culture. Boston’s culture led to guys taking less to remain competitive. You’re seeing that in Florida now. You saw it in Tampa as well. Maybe Tavares’ latest contract can start something here, but I think as long as Matthews continues to seek ego-satisfying numbers, nothing will change here.
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Something else that’s important is culture. Boston’s culture led to guys taking less to remain competitive. You’re seeing that in Florida now. You saw it in Tampa as well. Maybe Tavares’ latest contract can start something here, but I think as long as Matthews continues to seek ego-satisfying numbers, nothing will change here.
What’s sickening is the NHL under Bettman doesn’t address this issue. They want a salary cap, but still give teams in the south an advantage. Knowing how much that the Leafs contribute in revenue sharing, it’s a slap in the face to the fanbase who gives money to franchises that continues to have an advantage, thanks to the tax issues. Bettman is a clown and needs to go!
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What’s sickening is the NHL under Bettman doesn’t address this issue. They want a salary cap, but still give teams in the south an advantage. Knowing how much that the Leafs contribute in revenue sharing, it’s a slap in the face to the fanbase who gives money to franchises that continues to have an advantage, thanks to the tax issues. Bettman is a clown and needs to go!
Truth is this is a business and where it needs to be sold is the south not in Canada.
Stop thinking the sport comes first, money does.
And yes the money is still coming from Canada and northern US, but that’s not the targeted goal.
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If you can choose between 4 or 5 good teams and 3 of them have no state tax compared to another 2 that have 20% more, I’m sure it’s a larger factor than you’d think. The fact that Florida, Tampa, Dallas and Vegas are all competitive teams is definitely going to help them – but it starts there. Having the tax advantage allows you to remain competitive longer and more easily because you do save $1m here or $2m there.
Something else that’s important is culture. Boston’s culture led to guys taking less to remain competitive. You’re seeing that in Florida now. You saw it in Tampa as well. Maybe Tavares’ latest contract can start something here, but I think as long as Matthews continues to seek ego-satisfying numbers, nothing will change here.[/quote]
The culture starts with winning, its simply not all about taxes….sure it may help but if you have a winning culture with a good locker room, players will go there.
Tampa, dallas and florida all had low tax rates for decades, its only until they started winning constantly that they began attracting so many players.
Nothing will change here in toronto until they begin to win in the playoffs.
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The culture starts with winning, its simply not all about taxes….sure it may help but if you have a winning culture with a good locker room, players will go there.
Tampa, dallas and florida all had low tax rates for decades, its only until they started winning constantly that they began attracting so many players.
Nothing will change here in toronto until they begin to win in the playoffs.
No Fake it’s becoming $ now. We never saw it before because the players didn’t make enough. Most of them still don’t. It’s the $10 mill plus players that it’s truly effecting.
Matthews makes league minimum for a reason and gets everything as a bonus while in Arizona. He saves 14.03% taxation that way. This year he literally saves a little more than $2 million.
You’ll see this more and more for a bit, and that’s because the league is literally trying to build up the popularity of the sport in the southern US so why stop it?
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No Fake it’s becoming $ now. We never saw it before because the players didn’t make enough. Most of them still don’t. It’s the $10 mill plus players that it’s truly effecting.
Matthews makes league minimum for a reason and gets everything as a bonus while in Arizona. He saves 14.03% taxation that way. This year he literally saves a little more than $2 million.
You’ll see this more and more for a bit, and that’s because the league is literally trying to build up the popularity of the sport in the southern US so why stop it?[/quote]
Back in 2008 top players were making decent cash $7 -$9m (for that time)….no one was flocking to florida to play
In 2001 – 2003 top players were making $9 to $11.5m…..no one was flocking to florida to play.
Winning…changes everything.
Of course there are loop holes and tax breaks or lower taxes that players can take advantage of now to save money…of course that helps (along with weather)…not disputing that. But winning is the honey that attracts the bears and ants. If florida, tampa and dallas were garbage losing teams you think players would sign for less to play there?
Nope.
They take less, because they win….and they’ve built winning cultures…or even cultures that may be a “team first” culture. Which seems to be the exact opposite of what was built in Toronto.
Toronto got cocky and lazy….they thought everyone would want to play here cause its the “mecca of hockey”….so they seem to stop building a winning brand…they missed the boat and even homegrown talent got greedy or simply didnt want to stay and play.
But winning…can change that.
This notion that its all about taxes is BS…it helps….but so does winning and having a team first winning culture.And of course the league will never do anything help northern teams (except pittsburgh), for sure its all about the southern teams…need new fans.
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Something else that’s important is culture. Boston’s culture led to guys taking less to remain competitive. You’re seeing that in Florida now. You saw it in Tampa as well. Maybe Tavares’ latest contract can start something here, but I think as long as Matthews continues to seek ego-satisfying numbers, nothing will change here.
What’s sickening is the NHL under Bettman doesn’t address this issue. They want a salary cap, but still give teams in the south an advantage. Knowing how much that the Leafs contribute in revenue sharing, it’s a slap in the face to the fanbase who gives money to franchises that continues to have an advantage, thanks to the tax issues. Bettman is a clown and needs to go!
Address it how? What taxes do you use, state, federal, municipal, sales? Do you adjust each team’s cap to create after tax cap rates? There’s no way the league is going to move to a system with the cap rate of all 32 teams are going to change every year.
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in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Ya its been fun watching the Jays. The 2015 team had the raw talent to sustain winning all season…..Im worried, this team doesnt have that to sustain all year….that they may cool off.
But if they can get a big lead in the AL and only cool off to go 37 – 34 the rest of the season…that should be enough to get into the playoffs.
Plus they get varsho back and sure Santander (but he’s been garbage) and maybe one of these years Vladdy goes on a hot streak when it counts, along with getting another starter…..they may be able to do some damage. We’ll see.
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The culture starts with winning, its simply not all about taxes….sure it may help but if you have a winning culture with a good locker room, players will go there.
Tampa, dallas and florida all had low tax rates for decades, its only until they started winning constantly that they began attracting so many players.
Nothing will change here in toronto until they begin to win in the playoffs.
I think that’s probably fair – the culture of taking less to win starts with knowing how to win and what it takes to do it.
When I think of a winning culture, there are teams that struggle but maintain a “winning culture” through their tougher periods. As an example, and I realize this predates the cap, so it’s not an apples:apples comparison, but the idea is presented – as the Canadiens dynasty from the late 70s faded away after another decade of continually good play and the team transitioned from a Hall of Fame lineup to a lineup that featured guys like Richer, Skrudland or Naslund – all good, but none worthy of standing in Lafleur’s shadow – but the guys who had known what it took to win – Robinson or a younger Carbonneau who had learned from that group – carried the torch forward. As much as Patrick Roy in 92-93 is a legend, I don’t think that team wins the cup without the culture of winning that was established in the 1970s by Bowman’s group.
That’s ultimately Toronto’s largest challenge, I think. He may have been an asshole but when they started the rebuild with Babcock and Lamoriello at the top, you had guys who understood the culture change and “being a good pro”. They were the only stewards the Leafs had. I mean they got Hainsey in 2017, who had won a cup – but the larger voices that led the team over the years were Marleau, Thornton, Spezza and of course Tavares. It’s not intended as an offense to any of their legacies, but none of them would have implanted a winning culture change – none of them had won anything.
You replace Lamiorello with Dubas and Babcock with Keefe and you move further away from that winning culture. And to be clear – I am not saying that Lamiorello was great or that Babcock wasn’t an asshole – I’m noting that they both carried more of a cultural influence than anyone else in the organization. Obviously I don’t _know_, but I believe that stuff carries a lot of weight.
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in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
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Back in 2008 top players were making decent cash $7 -$9m (for that time)….no one was flocking to florida to play
In 2001 – 2003 top players were making $9 to $11.5m…..no one was flocking to florida to play.
Winning…changes everything.
Of course there are loop holes and tax breaks or lower taxes that players can take advantage of now to save money…of course that helps (along with weather)…not disputing that. But winning is the honey that attracts the bears and ants. If florida, tampa and dallas were garbage losing teams you think players would sign for less to play there?
Nope.
They take less, because they win….and they’ve built winning cultures…or even cultures that may be a “team first” culture. Which seems to be the exact opposite of what was built in Toronto.
Toronto got cocky and lazy….they thought everyone would want to play here cause its the “mecca of hockey”….so they seem to stop building a winning brand…they missed the boat and even homegrown talent got greedy or simply didnt want to stay and play.
But winning…can change that.
This notion that its all about taxes is BS…it helps….but so does winning and having a team first winning culture.And of course the league will never do anything help northern teams (except pittsburgh), for sure its all about the southern teams…need new fans.
Do you actually believe Marner would have stayed here for $12 million? He’d be $14.5-$15.
$7-$9 is nothing more than upper average now.
2001-03 was a different era without a cap.
It’s a pretty basic thing to factor. Star players essentially want $7+ million take home post taxation. Yes, other factors matter, but that one is huge.
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in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
New contracts. You can’t redo existing contracts
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in the new CBA the signing bonus is now capped at 60% – Signing bonuses will be capped at 60 percent of the full player’s salary
so a little advantage the Leafs had they are looking at as a problem…naturallyalso Jays giving 2015 vibes, but also how is that 10 years ago
Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
Yes, so starting in 2026 all new contracts will have this restriction. Existing contracts are grandfathered.
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New contracts. You can’t redo existing contracts
???? thank you
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Is that only for contracts moving forward? Matthews’ bonuses after the new cap kicks in are at 77% and 70% for the last two years of his contract.
yes contracts signed under the new cba
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Yes, so starting in 2026 all new contracts will have this restriction. Existing contracts are grandfathered.
And thank you
Wonder if that will hurt keeping someone like Matthews around.
Meh… just hammered out the numbers quick and it would cost him about $1 million and that’s only if every game was in Toronto, I did it very generally so I’m guessing it wouldn’t be too bad of an adjustment for the leafs to make with bonuses to out of country players
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
Not as bad as I thought it would be like I mentioned. I’m sure a banker/investor/etc could play the game beautifully
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
what will the cap be in 2028? around 120 mil?
If AM signed for the same cap % as his current deal, that would be 16.68m
so call it 17, would he sign for that?guess it depends what Mcdavid does
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
Not as bad as I thought it would be like I mentioned. I’m sure a banker/investor/etc could play the game beautifully
True, but I’m sure they’re also currently doing that, so any change to the CBA will still have a pretty serious impact on the tax gymnastics they’re able to do.
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
what will the cap be in 2028? around 120 mil?
If AM signed for the same cap % as his current deal, that would be 16.68m
so call it 17, would he sign for that?guess it depends what Mcdavid does
They sign matching $15M contracts, and share the C:-)
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True, but I’m sure they’re also currently doing that, so any change to the CBA will still have a pretty serious impact on the tax gymnastics they’re able to do.
Meh, then they’ll just start doing synchronized swimming taxes
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Do you actually believe Marner would have stayed here for $12 million? He’d be $14.5-$15.
$7-$9 is nothing more than upper average now.
2001-03 was a different era without a cap.
It’s a pretty basic thing to factor. Star players essentially want $7+ million take home post taxation. Yes, other factors matter, but that one is huge.[/quote]
The era doesnt really matter….there was still money to be had for the big boys…and no one was flocking to florida….they simply werent winning.
I already said its a factor…but its not “the” factor….no one would be signing for less to play for the panthers if they werent a winning franchise the past 3 years.
Winning is still the driver for most players. Winning, weather, taxes, anonymity, family.Mitch was offered $13.5….he wasnt staying for any amount imo, his mind was already made…his ego cant handle playing in Toronto.
The average nhl salary in 2003 was $1.7m
Now its about $3.4mI just ran a forbes tax calculator for a single person in florida and Ontario at a $12m salary
Florida take home was $7.6m after taxes
Ontario take home was $6.4m after taxesNot sure how accurate it is…but only about $1.2m difference.
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They sign matching $15M contracts, and share the C:-)
i just meant how much he signs for, if he signs a deal for say 17m, does AM get more a year later.
but I like your thinking
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
If matthews keeps his disappearing act in playoff games 5 – 7….would we really want to resign him?
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Not sure how accurate it is…but only about $1.2m difference.
Bro, are you serious?!?! If your boss said to you “we’re making some changes and you’ll be taking home 15% less,” you’d just be cool with that?!?!
That’s $1.2M per year! On an 8 year contract, that’s almost $10M!!! Nobody can convince me that doesn’t give some teams a HUGE advantage.
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You have to wonder if this is going to make it harder for the Leafs to re-sign Matthews once his current contract is up. This new CBA will literally cost Matthews millions out of pocket.
If matthews keeps his disappearing act in playoff games 5 – 7….would we really want to resign him?
If in the next 4 years matthews hasnt led this team to a couple of cup finals..or even one cup finals and several 3rd round appearances…..Im ok to move on from him.That is a valid point, Matthews needs to nut TF up.
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If in the next 4 years matthews hasnt led this team to a couple of cup finals..or even one cup finals and several 3rd round appearances…..Im ok to move on from him.
yes of course. You keep him a Leaf forever if he wants to stay.
Washington would have been morons to trade Ovy because he didnt win a cup in 12 seasons.there is a handfull of players (in the league) you never move, and AM is one of them..imo
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The era doesnt really matter….there was still money to be had for the big boys…and no one was flocking to florida….they simply werent winning.
I already said its a factor…but its not “the” factor….no one would be signing for less to play for the panthers if they werent a winning franchise the past 3 years.
Winning is still the driver for most players. Winning, weather, taxes, anonymity, family.Mitch was offered $13.5….he wasnt staying for any amount imo, his mind was already made…his ego cant handle playing in Toronto.
The average nhl salary in 2003 was $1.7m
Now its about $3.4mI just ran a forbes tax calculator for a single person in florida and Ontario at a $12m salary
Florida take home was $7.6m after taxes
Ontario take home was $6.4m after taxesNot sure how accurate it is…but only about $1.2m difference.
What numbers are you using?
Florida: $12 x 0.63 = $7.56
Ontario: $12 x 0.4647 = $5.58
You might want to relearn the calculator.
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Bro, are you serious?!?! If your boss said to you “we’re making some changes and you’ll be taking home 15% less,” you’d just be cool with that?!?!
That’s $1.2M per year! On an 8 year contract, that’s almost $10M!!! Nobody can convince me that doesn’t give some teams a HUGE advantage.[/quote]
To us yes of course thats huge and in general its a lot money.
But if youre an FA who has already made $50m in his career…or more…taking home another $51.2m vs $60m might not be as huge of a loss if one team provided a better chance to win.
Unfortunately for the leafs, the team that provides more take home money is also the team the has a better chance to win.
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Back in 2008 top players were making decent cash $7 -$9m (for that time)….no one was flocking to florida to play
In 2001 – 2003 top players were making $9 to $11.5m…..no one was flocking to florida to play.
Winning…changes everything.
Of course there are loop holes and tax breaks or lower taxes that players can take advantage of now to save money…of course that helps (along with weather)…not disputing that. But winning is the honey that attracts the bears and ants. If florida, tampa and dallas were garbage losing teams you think players would sign for less to play there?
Nope.
They take less, because they win….and they’ve built winning cultures…or even cultures that may be a “team first” culture. Which seems to be the exact opposite of what was built in Toronto.
Toronto got cocky and lazy….they thought everyone would want to play here cause its the “mecca of hockey”….so they seem to stop building a winning brand…they missed the boat and even homegrown talent got greedy or simply didnt want to stay and play.
But winning…can change that.
This notion that its all about taxes is BS…it helps….but so does winning and having a team first winning culture.And of course the league will never do anything help northern teams (except pittsburgh), for sure its all about the southern teams…need new fans.
Do you actually believe Marner would have stayed here for $12 million? He’d be $14.5-$15.
$7-$9 is nothing more than upper average now.
2001-03 was a different era without a cap.
It’s a pretty basic thing to factor. Star players essentially want $7+ million take home post taxation. Yes, other factors matter, but that one is huge.
I’d throw a giant hypothetical at this and it goes to the culture that was also being referenced (and don’t get me wrong – I agree that it’s easier to take “less” when you’re still making more – like a $10m between Toronto and Tampa is roughly $6.3m in take home in Tampa compared to about $4.7m in Toronto but there are deferrals and shelters and blah, blah, blah – but it makes a difference).
The hypothetical I always ask myself is what if they never signed Tavares – or if he REALLY had wanted to come home and settled at around $9m. The cap being flat was an unforeseen obstacle and it definitely hurt the team and that’s where the wheels definitely wobbled – but the year after they signed Tavares the cap rose by a predictable 3.6% ($2m) but the salaries of Marner and Matthews were $10.9 and $11.6 – in direct response to Tavares’ $11m. That year – and it was before the flat cap – we jettisoned Kapanen and Johnsson to ensure we had room for those contracts as well as giving away Connor Brown to get Ottawa to take Zaitsev. I have never really thought losing Kapanen or Johnsson was a big deal but I lament Brown a lot. Regardless of that rabbit hole I could spend tons of time exploring, the flat cap hurt – the following years would have (at a 3.5% increase year over year) offered additional cap space of $2.9m, $5.9m, $8m and $10.2m before this past season (which would have also fallen $9m short of that projected growth – it actually catches up in 2026-27’s projected $104m cap).
I only mention the flat cap numbers to note that the Leafs were affected by it – but it was only a part of the problem. If Marner made $9m and Matthews made $10.5m and Tavares made $9.5 – just, again, as a hypothetical – there’s $4.5m annually in overexpenditure, and you can see where I think the problem started. As soon as they overpaid Tavares, flat cap or not, they were up against it.
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What numbers are you using?
Florida: $12 x 0.63 = $7.56
Ontario: $12 x 0.4647 = $5.58
You might want to relearn the calculator.
Florida taxation: 37%
Ontario taxation: 53.53%[/quote]Like I said, I used the forbes tax calculator…I simply entered the salary, single person and selected area.
As previously mentioned, “not sure how accurate it is”Also, you have the exchange rate as well. the USD goes much further here……for now.
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yes of course. You keep him a Leaf forever if he wants to stay.
Washington would have been morons to trade Ovy because he didnt win a cup in 12 seasons.there is a handfull of players (in the league) you never move, and AM is one of them..imo[/quote]
Meh, Matthews is no OV.
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Like I said, I used the forbes tax calculator…I simply entered the salary, single person and selected area.
As previously mentioned, “not sure how accurate it is”Also, you have the exchange rate as well. the USD goes much further here……for now.
This is why I’m saying we’re finally hitting that point when players are starting to care. Marner wants $7 million take home. At $12 mill he gets that in Vegas where he wouldn’t in Toronto. Fans seem to believe players care more about their cap hit than their earnings for some reason, do you care more about what you cost your employer than what you earn?
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I’d throw a giant hypothetical at this and it goes to the culture that was also being referenced (and don’t get me wrong – I agree that it’s easier to take “less” when you’re still making more – like a $10m between Toronto and Tampa is roughly $6.3m in take home in Tampa compared to about $4.7m in Toronto but there are deferrals and shelters and blah, blah, blah – but it makes a difference).
The hypothetical I always ask myself is what if they never signed Tavares – or if he REALLY had wanted to come home and settled at around $9m. The cap being flat was an unforeseen obstacle and it definitely hurt the team and that’s where the wheels definitely wobbled – but the year after they signed Tavares the cap rose by a predictable 3.6% ($2m) but the salaries of Marner and Matthews were $10.9 and $11.6 – in direct response to Tavares’ $11m. That year – and it was before the flat cap – we jettisoned Kapanen and Johnsson to ensure we had room for those contracts as well as giving away Connor Brown to get Ottawa to take Zaitsev. I have never really thought losing Kapanen or Johnsson was a big deal but I lament Brown a lot. Regardless of that rabbit hole I could spend tons of time exploring, the flat cap hurt – the following years would have (at a 3.5% increase year over year) offered additional cap space of $2.9m, $5.9m, $8m and $10.2m before this past season (which would have also fallen $9m short of that projected growth – it actually catches up in 2026-27’s projected $104m cap).
I only mention the flat cap numbers to note that the Leafs were affected by it – but it was only a part of the problem. If Marner made $9m and Matthews made $10.5m and Tavares made $9.5 – just, again, as a hypothetical – there’s $4.5m annually in overexpenditure, and you can see where I think the problem started. As soon as they overpaid Tavares, flat cap or not, they were up against it.[/quote]
In the above hypothetical, you are letting the old GM of the leafs, Marner and Matthews off the hook. JT’s contract as an FA shouldnt have increased Marner and Matthews second contract as much as it apparently did. Even with JT as 11, neither matthews or marner were worth over 10 per….they simply hadnt won anything…granted neither did JT, but he was an FA and apparently turned down 13millies elsewhere.
Dubas just did a horrible job negotiating the contracts; Marner should have signed for 8, matthews 9.5 for the term they signed. The money they got should have come with an 8 year term. Then we wouldnt be in this situation now.
Willy was 7.4…reduced to 6.9 because he sat out.
Marner at 8
Matthews at 9.5I think the playoff results would have been different with the extra cap.
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This is why I’m saying we’re finally hitting that point when players are starting to care. Marner wants $7 million take home. At $12 mill he gets that in Vegas where he wouldn’t in Toronto. Fans seem to believe players care more about their cap hit than their earnings for some reason, do you care more about what you cost your employer than what you earn?[/quote]
Of course this is true….players arent concerned about their cap….for the most part.
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So whats next for the leafs?
Maybe a mid range bottom 6 player? Roslovic, Olofsson? maybe 1 to 2 year deals?
I read the Leafs may have a hand shake deal in place with Roslovic. The Leafs would like to move a body or two before bring him in to the team.
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Of course this is true….players arent concerned about their cap….for the most part.
And this is why I’m saying it’s only mattering to the star players at this point. You’re still 100% correct for the 98% remainder of the league.
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I read the Leafs may have a hand shake deal in place with Roslovic. The Leafs would like to move a body or two before bring him in to the team.
Don’t forget they have Robertson as well to deal with.Isn’t he terrible defensively? I’m not as worried about the offense from our forward group, we need at least some defensive forwards. Matthews and Knies are fine, but JT, Nylander, Robertson, MM, Domi, Robertson, etc. are pretty terrible. People (myself included) kinda want to move on from Kampf and Jarny, but if you replace them with purely offensive forwards, this team is in for a world of hurt.
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I read the Leafs may have a hand shake deal in place with Roslovic. The Leafs would like to move a body or two before bring him in to the team.
Don’t forget they have Robertson as well to deal with.[/quote]Really?
They have the cap space to sign him without moving anyone out.
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Isn’t he terrible defensively? I’m not as worried about the offense from our forward group, we need at least some defensive forwards. Matthews and Knies are fine, but JT, Nylander, Robertson, MM, Domi, Robertson, etc. are pretty terrible. People (myself included) kinda want to move on from Kampf and Jarny, but if you replace them with purely offensive forwards, this team is in for a world of hurt.[/quote]
MM was good defensively
Depth offense (and our star offense)is what has hurt us in the playoffs in the past.
Id prefer to keep Jarny over kampf but Tre extended kampf so he may stay over jarny.
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I read the Leafs may have a hand shake deal in place with Roslovic. The Leafs would like to move a body or two before bring him in to the team.
Don’t forget they have Robertson as well to deal with.Looked up the Roslovic rumour… 3-4 year handshake deal in place that’s waiting on Jarnkrok and Kampf to get moved.
He’s tied to Matthews so I’m choosing to believe I’m choosing to believe I’m choosing to believe I’m choosing to..
Just to get those two removed btw, the signing I don’t really care about lol
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fake you need to differentiate your posts better from who you are quoting. thats hard to read whats yours
if the quote is not working. bold it or put a line between your post.
i cant be the only one thinking this lol
Add a pic too Fake!
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fake you need to differentiate your posts better from who you are quoting. thats hard to read whats yours
if the quote is not working. bold it or put a line between your post.
i cant be the only one thinking this lol
Add a pic too Fake!
It’s almost like he’s not fully committed to this relationship… err, message board.
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In the above hypothetical, you are letting the old GM of the leafs, Marner and Matthews off the hook. JT’s contract as an FA shouldnt have increased Marner and Matthews second contract as much as it apparently did. Even with JT as 11, neither matthews or marner were worth over 10 per….they simply hadnt won anything…granted neither did JT, but he was an FA and apparently turned down 13millies elsewhere.
Dubas just did a horrible job negotiating the contracts; Marner should have signed for 8, matthews 9.5 for the term they signed. The money they got should have come with an 8 year term. Then we wouldnt be in this situation now.
Willy was 7.4…reduced to 6.9 because he sat out.
Marner at 8
Matthews at 9.5I think the playoff results would have been different with the extra cap.
Ifs and butts…ah well.I’m not so much letting anyone off the hook – but in terms of economy of scale, which is used comparatively as well – as soon as the Leafs were willing to pay Tavares $11m, it changed all comparative metrics. It should be noted that Rantanen signed his deal two weeks after Marner for $9.25m, so calling Marner a $9m or $9.5m player at the time is fair by those metrics – and saying that Matthews was a $10m player is also fair by the same comparative measure.
Dubas overpaid Tavares and it directly led to the prices for the other high-end players increasing as a result. I recall that initially Marner was expected to go $8m x 8 and Matthews was $10m x 8 – neither of which happened. Now whether either of those numbers were ever true or not, I don’t know, but it was widely reported at the time – but whether those reports were projections/expectations or actual leaks, I really couldn’t say and obviously don’t recall.
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Reading some pretty interesting opinions and takes on here today which is a nice change from the non-stop whining about the Leafs and Marner’s divorce from one person.
IMO saying the state tax (the lack thereof) isn’t a big advantage might be partially right it may not be HUGE but I don’t see how you can deny it being an advantage. If you look back at say the past few years one of the teams from these states has won or been in the finals so (again IMO) that extra cap space has allowed them to perhaps bring in more impactful players in the off season and TDL. And yes, some of them have been masters at using LTIR to assist in this regard and now it seems the Panthers have developed the ‘take less to keep the band together’ culture which is a huge advantage for them. I have said it before but they are more and more like the Bruins were when we all just shook our heads at guys going or staying there for less (except Florida has 2 cups now).
Lots of online discussion everywhere about the cap and players wanting to play in Florida now because they are good. I also see a lot of Panthers fans immediate response to anyone who dares mention the tax break or LTIR games be “Florida is just better run than other teams, nobody was coming here when we sucked”.
Yes they have a GM who has made some great moves, who also has benefitted from the tax break (and culture now because the GM can’t be the hero for guys like Bennett and Marchand taking less to stay – the players did that) and yes no stars wanted to play there when they sucked. Minus being insanely overpaid at the time as Monkey pointed out they did with BOB.
Question – have the Florida Panthers spent to the cap ceiling every year since the cap was introduced? I mean it’s easy to say you sucked because no star players wanted to play there but if you weren’t spending to the max maybe it was that? I thought I would be able to easily find the answer to which teams spent to the cap ceiling vs floor year by year but my google-fu failed me today.
Oh and last thing – someone (sorry don’t recall who) was saying Bettman must go due to one of the many things we all hate about how this league works. One important thing to remember is he is essentially just the face and voice of the board of governors and has very little individual power with the types of things we hate (i.e. taxes differing team to team due to location).
Big changes like addressing that type of issue go to the BOG and they vote and then send the weasel out to be the face and voice of the BOG decision. Don’t get me wrong Bettman is a weasel and I hate his stupid smirking face but he doesn’t really make a lot of the decisions we hate.
If you want to blame anyone blame the BOG and the most powerful person on that board – Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins who is the chairman of the board & owner of the Bruins.
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??? (Domi)
???, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
???, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?3/4LD = ?
I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
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It’s almost like he’s not fully committed to this relationship… err, message board.
I just wanna know where to post
*starts to cry a little, my gf asks me why, I tell her, she walks away*
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None of these fuckers pay the proper amount of taxes. Just ask Johnny and how he had to sue to keep all of his money.
Exactly, saying it was a signing bonus done in the US not Canada. He’s trying to sneak by his leafs signing as well lol.
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I read the Leafs may have a hand shake deal in place with Roslovic. The Leafs would like to move a body or two before bring him in to the team.
Don’t forget they have Robertson as well to deal with.Isn’t he terrible defensively? I’m not as worried about the offense from our forward group, we need at least some defensive forwards. Matthews and Knies are fine, but JT, Nylander, Robertson, MM, Domi, Robertson, etc. are pretty terrible. People (myself included) kinda want to move on from Kampf and Jarny, but if you replace them with purely offensive forwards, this team is in for a world of hurt.
Leafs will absolutely suck defensively in the playoffs with more additions like Roslovic. Berube is the polar opposite coach for that garbage. The Leafs are completely retarded in how they build teams.
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??? (Domi)
???, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
???, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?
3/4LD = ?I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
I’m pretty sure Maccelli was gotten to be in the top-6 as a Marner-lite replacement. I think Treliving is looking for another top-6 forward but if he fails, my suspicion is that Domi gets that look. Then he should still be seeking to bolster that third line with a properly complimentary checking forward.
With Rielly . . .the simple way I look it is that the problem with defenseman who can’t play defense is always that they can’t play defense. But how much are they giving you in that trade off? Like Jake Gardiner had one year where the trade off was wonderful (I think he was third pairing with Carrick or something like that) – but most other years were absolutely terrible. In the end it wasn’t a trade off anyone wanted to be making.
You take a guy like Bouchard and look at his xG with a star partner like Ekholm and you can see that his xGF and xGA differential was 3.26 – 2.22; when he was with Kulak it was 2.95 – 2.17. Bouchard is exceptionally offensive with poor defensive skills – and he is very puck reliant (ie, if he has the puck he’s pretty good, but without it, we see how bad he is).
Now compare that to Rielly with Carlo and you see 2.91 – 2.07, which is very similar to Bouchard with Kulak. Rielly with Tanev was 2.77 – 1.92 which makes sense when you consider that Tanev is more defensive but less offensive. It would be great if we had a guy like Ekholm, but that was definitely Ken Holland’s masterpiece in Edmonton. It was a brilliant trade.
It’s something we know, but if you had just guys like Tanev, for instance – lots of blocked shots, lots of closed lanes but not a ton of puck retrieval or zone exit passes. Guys like Morgan Rielly – as much as he drives me crazy, too, are a necessary evil. So you insulate them with a guy like Carlo and I think you can potentially maximize their value.
I say this because I have to remind myself of this all the time. Morgan Rielly drives me fucking crazy.
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??Roslovic?? (Domi)
?Marcelli? Robertson?, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi/Roslovic?
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
Rielly, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?
3/4LD = ?I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
Is Pezz the 13th forward?
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??Roslovic?? (Domi)
?Marcelli? Robertson?, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi/Roslovic?
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
Rielly, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?
3/4LD = ?I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
Is Pezz the 13th forward?
is there a market for these two: Kampf and Jornkrok what a realistic trade proposal?Anaheim is below the cap floor at the moment. You could unload Kampf and Jarnkrok for future considerations easily enough – especially Jarnkrok now. He’s in his final year and his signing bonus has been paid, so he’s only owed $775k. Kampf also had his signing bonus paid, but he has 2 years left, so you’d still be on the nut for all of his $2.4m next year – but only $1.075m this year.
I do think there are teams that could definitely upgrade their bottom-6 with those guys, but who are we getting now? We didn’t bother to upgrade our bottom-6 with anyone and Pezzetta . . . let’s say that his enthusiasm overshadows his ungoodness. He could bring some energy to the 4th line, though; I’d just be surprised if he gets more than 40 games.
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??? (Domi)
???, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
???, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?
3/4LD = ?I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
I’m pretty sure Maccelli was gotten to be in the top-6 as a Marner-lite replacement. I think Treliving is looking for another top-6 forward but if he fails, my suspicion is that Domi gets that look. Then he should still be seeking to bolster that third line with a properly complimentary checking forward.
With Rielly . . .the simple way I look it is that the problem with defenseman who can’t play defense is always that they can’t play defense. But how much are they giving you in that trade off? Like Jake Gardiner had one year where the trade off was wonderful (I think he was third pairing with Carrick or something like that) – but most other years were absolutely terrible. In the end it wasn’t a trade off anyone wanted to be making.
You take a guy like Bouchard and look at his xG with a star partner like Ekholm and you can see that his xGF and xGA differential was 3.26 – 2.22; when he was with Kulak it was 2.95 – 2.17. Bouchard is exceptionally offensive with poor defensive skills – and he is very puck reliant (ie, if he has the puck he’s pretty good, but without it, we see how bad he is).
Now compare that to Rielly with Carlo and you see 2.91 – 2.07, which is very similar to Bouchard with Kulak. Rielly with Tanev was 2.77 – 1.92 which makes sense when you consider that Tanev is more defensive but less offensive. It would be great if we had a guy like Ekholm, but that was definitely Ken Holland’s masterpiece in Edmonton. It was a brilliant trade.
It’s something we know, but if you had just guys like Tanev, for instance – lots of blocked shots, lots of closed lanes but not a ton of puck retrieval or zone exit passes. Guys like Morgan Rielly – as much as he drives me crazy, too, are a necessary evil. So you insulate them with a guy like Carlo and I think you can potentially maximize their value.
I say this because I have to remind myself of this all the time. Morgan Rielly drives me fucking crazy.
Maccelli will work in the top-six just about as well as Kerfoot did. Same goes for Domi. These guys are barely top-six players, much, much less actually good ones. And defensively, they’re both useless.
We’re talking about two guys, whose combined goal total, was only 1 more than Robertson.
If the Leafs end the season with either Domi or Maccelli in the top-six, they won’t win a series.
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Too much tax talk, but also much better than usual in here! <thumbsup>
How ’bout a serious discussion on the two/three elements left for the Leafs to crush it next season:
Knies, Matthews, ??? (Domi)
???, Tavares, Nylander
McMann, Roy, Marcelli/Domi
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
???, Carlo
Benoit, OEL
MyersStolarz
Woll1RW = ? (Domi IMO)
2LW = ?
3/4LD = ?I kinda believe if Leafs can dump Rielly and upgrade that LD position, the Leafs’ D is solid as fuck. Better than it’s been in a long, long, time. (If Rielly stays it will still survive, the D was the least of our problems last season). So who is a skull crushing LD the Leafs could trade for???
I think the forward group is only a 2LW away from solid but you could make the argument for a 1RW, P Kane would’ve been so good there…Domi or Marccelli(sp?) can fill that role well enough…I’m feeling Domi will do really well there. So who is the 2LW???
I’m pretty sure Maccelli was gotten to be in the top-6 as a Marner-lite replacement. I think Treliving is looking for another top-6 forward but if he fails, my suspicion is that Domi gets that look. Then he should still be seeking to bolster that third line with a properly complimentary checking forward.
With Rielly . . .the simple way I look it is that the problem with defenseman who can’t play defense is always that they can’t play defense. But how much are they giving you in that trade off? Like Jake Gardiner had one year where the trade off was wonderful (I think he was third pairing with Carrick or something like that) – but most other years were absolutely terrible. In the end it wasn’t a trade off anyone wanted to be making.
You take a guy like Bouchard and look at his xG with a star partner like Ekholm and you can see that his xGF and xGA differential was 3.26 – 2.22; when he was with Kulak it was 2.95 – 2.17. Bouchard is exceptionally offensive with poor defensive skills – and he is very puck reliant (ie, if he has the puck he’s pretty good, but without it, we see how bad he is).
Now compare that to Rielly with Carlo and you see 2.91 – 2.07, which is very similar to Bouchard with Kulak. Rielly with Tanev was 2.77 – 1.92 which makes sense when you consider that Tanev is more defensive but less offensive. It would be great if we had a guy like Ekholm, but that was definitely Ken Holland’s masterpiece in Edmonton. It was a brilliant trade.
It’s something we know, but if you had just guys like Tanev, for instance – lots of blocked shots, lots of closed lanes but not a ton of puck retrieval or zone exit passes. Guys like Morgan Rielly – as much as he drives me crazy, too, are a necessary evil. So you insulate them with a guy like Carlo and I think you can potentially maximize their value.
I say this because I have to remind myself of this all the time. Morgan Rielly drives me fucking crazy.
Great post as always Monkey, makes a ton of sense…especially the bolded. 😉
One side of me really thinks D is not the problem…Rielly’s alcohol and coke issues aside, I kid sort of…but the D is really close.
Also, I’m willing to risk a Maccelli experiment on 1st line RW cuz I know Domi did really well there so there’s a back up plan.
I do think a really good 2nd line LW…who could do a 1st line RW duty…is the only missing piece to take next season to the next level.
That’s where I’m at.
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What numbers are you using?
Florida: $12 x 0.63 = $7.56
Ontario: $12 x 0.4647 = $5.58
You might want to relearn the calculator.
Florida taxation: 37%
Ontario taxation: 53.53%Like I said, I used the forbes tax calculator…I simply entered the salary, single person and selected area.
As previously mentioned, “not sure how accurate it is”Also, you have the exchange rate as well. the USD goes much further here……for now.[/quote]
Exchange rate is a non-issue. Nobody spends $5M per year on groceries and the cost of most goods is increased in Canada to reflect the weaker dollar. A Rover ain’t cheaper in Canada. If it’s 100k in USD it’ll be $140k CAD. So USD for athletes living here doesn’t translate into cheaper living.
Money, Winning, Lifestyle.
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Puckpedia has a tax calculator
https://puckpedia.com/tax-calculatorno need to watch the games, just calculate the players tax
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Exchange rate is a non-issue. Nobody spends $5M per year on groceries and the cost of most goods is increased in Canada to reflect the weaker dollar. A Rover ain’t cheaper in Canada. If it’s 100k in USD it’ll be $140k CAD. So USD for athletes living here doesn’t translate into cheaper living. Money, Winning, Lifestyle.
You nailed it. Weather is probably a factor too and most of the no income tax states have way better weather than Toronto too.
When a franchise like Toronto runs it’s own home town guys out of town, they truly have no hope of building a competitive team. They’ll get the guys like Tavares, who people will love, but win nothing.
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Exchange rate is a non-issue. Nobody spends $5M per year on groceries and the cost of most goods is increased in Canada to reflect the weaker dollar. A Rover ain’t cheaper in Canada. If it’s 100k in USD it’ll be $140k CAD. So USD for athletes living here doesn’t translate into cheaper living. Money, Winning, Lifestyle.
You nailed it. Weather is probably a factor too and most of the no income tax states have way better weather than Toronto too.
When a franchise like Toronto runs it’s own home town guys out of town, they truly have no hope of building a competitive team. They’ll get the guys like Tavares, who people will love, but win nothing.
He left on his own accord. No one ran him out of town.
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He left on his own accord. No one ran him out of town. Stop telling false hood
Wrong. Team refused to pay him what he’s worth, media (that owns the team) ran with a bullshit narrative and the fans ran him out of town.
The only falsehood here is the idea that this team is or will be better without him.
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Wrong. Team refused to pay him what he’s worth, media (that owns the team) ran with a bullshit narrative and the fans ran him out of town.
The only falsehood here is the idea that this team is or will be better without him. – Unbelievable Whiner[/quote]
Wrong. He left and you are crying like Mitch was crying on the bench because Willy had to tell him to sack the fuck up and stop whining.
Just stop with your constant barrage of bullshit about this being on anyone other than Marner and his daddy.
Go cheer for Vegas and bitch and whine about that team to their fans and GTFO out of here – nobody wants you here you loser.
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Wrong. He left and you are crying like Mitch was crying on the bench because Willy had to tell him to sack the fuck up and stop whining.
Just stop with your constant barrage of bullshit about this being on anyone other than Marner and his daddy.
Go cheer for Vegas and bitch and whine about that team to their fans and GTFO out of here – nobody wants you here you loser.
Typical sheep reply.
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Lol what a pathetic thing to think is a snappy comeback, ya you really nailed me.
JFC are you ever pathetic.
A “snappy comeback” is lost on you. It’s unnecessary. You are what you are: a sheep.
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He left on his own accord. No one ran him out of town. Stop telling false hood
Wrong. Team refused to pay him what he’s worth, media (that owns the team) ran with a bullshit narrative and the fans ran him out of town.
The only falsehood here is the idea that this team is or will be better without him.
between you and me, that is nonsense and falsehoods as it was already reported that he turned down ALL Leafs offers and good one too.
we shall see if the team is better or not this upcoming season.
should give them a chance before writing them off before the puck has even dropped on the new season.
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Lol what a pathetic thing to think is a snappy comeback, ya you really nailed me.
JFC are you ever pathetic.
A “snappy comeback” is lost on you. It’s unnecessary. You are what you are: a sheep.
curious to know ?? – honestly, a sheep to what?
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A “snappy comeback” is lost on you. It’s unnecessary. You are what you are: a sheep.
OK AA. I’ve been around the old site since the early days. I’ve dealt with the real Unholy Goalie and you aren’t him. The real UG had a hate on for Leafs management, forever. He always snapped at others who disagreed. I’ve actually had civil conversations with him via PM. All you are is a changeling looking to cause dissention on this new site. Pretty much everyone gets along here, except you. I know your handy-work from the Buzz. So lets talk Marner.
I’ve seen him play in London and he was a terrific player. His skating is amazing and so is his hands. All well and good, when playing in the regular season, when you might see a team and play 2, 3 or 4 times in an 82 game schedule. Teams don’t go out of their way in the regular season to diminish opposing player’s talent on the ice. However, once the playoffs start, tactics change. Small players are at a disadvantage. The jungle becomes thicker and it’s hard to penetrate the slot area with consistency. Marner disappears, every year, when the tough get going. I only have to refer to his lazy backcheck on Pasternak, in Overtime in game 7. He didn’t skate hard enough and gave up on the play. That was his man and he let him go on the outside. Leafs lost a series because of him, but I’ve never seen you mention that in your idolization of Mitch Marner. He shrinks when the going gets tough. When you look at him, he was supposed to be one of the top 3 players on the Leafs. He could never elevate his game, when the team needed him most. Hence his record in elimination games. And before you start droning about Matthews, at least he wins faceoffs and works in the corners to dig out pucks. It was Mitch’s job to get him the puck in tight area’s and he failed miserably. Can Matthews play better? We’ll find out next year, once he’s healthy and has proper line-mates during the playoffs. Mitch deserves every criticism that he gets, since he twice decided to become a mercenary and went for top dollar, when he’s only a winger, not a center, and finally had his first 100 point season in 9 years. I wouldn’t call that Hall of Fame numbers up until now. The floor is yours, so flame on.
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A “snappy comeback” is lost on you. It’s unnecessary. You are what you are: a sheep.[/quote]
People who call out your bullshit aren’t sheep, they are just tired of you but rage on little man, rage on.You should consider seeking professional help, it’s painfully clear you would greatly benefit from it.
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pretty boring off season since mitchy move.
I cant see much else happening for the Leafs. maybe a trade but doesnt feel like it
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There is a lot of talk about the trade market “heating up” due to the weaker UFA class – but I am still not sure what our assets really are nor what their value is.
Like Cowan has higher value and I think Hildeby and Akhtyamov have more value than most Leaf fans would expect – but I think Danford, Koblar and Hopkins probably have less value than we’d expect because they’re projects. The only other prospect who was drafted in the top 3 rounds that we have in the system is Moldenhauer, and I think his value is all but gone.
From that pretty shallow pool you have a 2026 3rd, 5th and San Jose’s 6th. A 2027 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and Philly’s 6th. All picks in 2028.
I read that the Leafs would be in on McCann but I don’t know with what asset capital in order to be competitive.
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Reaves dumped to SJ for Thrun.
Cup to Toronto now right?
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Leafs ship Reaves to Sharks, acquire Thrun
nice ????
Like – none of us know Thrun from a hole in the wall, I don’t think – but he has represented the US in the U17, U18, U20 (WJC) and the World Championship. He’s 6’2 / 190, so maybe a little sleight of build, but at 24 he’s better than just getting a contract dump which is what I would have expected.
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Leafs ship Reaves to Sharks, acquire Thrun
nice ????
Like – none of us know Thrun from a hole in the wall, I don’t think – but he has represented the US in the U17, U18, U20 (WJC) and the World Championship. He’s 6’2 / 190, so maybe a little sleight of build, but at 24 he’s better than just getting a contract dump which is what I would have expected.
and no Leafs draft picks going with him ????????
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Leafs ship Reaves to Sharks, acquire Thrun
nice ????
Like – none of us know Thrun from a hole in the wall, I don’t think – but he has represented the US in the U17, U18, U20 (WJC) and the World Championship. He’s 6’2 / 190, so maybe a little sleight of build, but at 24 he’s better than just getting a contract dump which is what I would have expected.
He’ll be a Marlie but won’t cost the $200K that sits on Leaf’s cap when they sent Reaves down
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Reaves dumped to SJ for Thrun.
Cup to Toronto now right?
No, silly, it was already headed here before moving Reaves out.
This was punishment for convincing Marner that Vegas was nice*
*punishment for not convincing him earlier.
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Nice trade. Reaves out and a young dman in
Cap hit only a $1Yup, surprised we even got anything back to be honest.
I’ll take it. Our prospects pool is thin so this should help a bit.
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No, silly, it was already headed here before moving Reaves out.
This was punishment for convincing Marner that Vegas was nice*
*punishment for not convincing him earlier.
That and Reaves still lives in Vegas and now he’ll play them more.
Knock Marner out Reaves for using your name in the media!!! ????
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Reaves dumped to SJ for Thrun.
Only good move Leafs have made all year. Hope the ink is dry and the trade call went through; Leafs still got their 2028 1st round pick and it’s burning a hole in their pocket.
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So yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for the HB Leaf thread eh? Good job Putz.
Ek saying a NEW HB is coming, thanks for your patience.
Hurry up and get the bugs out of this shit MIB!!!
Also, UG come on dude, STFU with the incessant negative nancy shit!!! Mancy Marner is getting his monthly cramps in Vegas now, go take him some Midol in the Vegas thread…pop of few while you’re at it, your constant ragging is tired. Please dude, enough.
Sittler is gone.
Salming is gone. (RIP)
Wendel is gone.
Gilmour is gone.
Sundin is gone.
Tucker is gone.
Kadri is gone.
Marner is gone.…and the list goes on.
Move the fuck on!
WHO DO THE LEAFS NEED NOW TO WIN THE FUCKING CUP??? That’s the only relevant conversation filled with subjective opinion on all sides that matters right now. And remember, subjective is on your side too UG.
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Kadri is out there as a name. Send Calgary Hildebeast, Robertson and a prospect or pick to retain some salary, 25%.
Too bad we couldn’t trade for a few years of Patty Kane. Detroit is light on D, send them Rielly for P Kane and a Pick.
Dump Jarn, Kampf, and any other scraps to below the Cap teams.And viola, Cap Compliant and Balanced ready for the playoffs and a fucking CUP!!!
Knies, Mattews, P. Kane
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, Maricelli
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
OEL, Carlo
Benoit, Myers/Danforth/???Stoli
WollDepending on the leftover Cap space look for an upgrade for a bottom RHD…Myers should do
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So yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for the HB Leaf thread eh? Good job Putz.
Stop fucking crying bro…AA you little twat
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Kadri is out there as a name. Send Calgary Hildebeast, Robertson and a prospect or pick to retain some salary, 25%.
Too bad we couldn’t trade for a few years of Patty Kane. Detroit is light on D, send them Rielly for P Kane and a Pick.
Dump Jarn, Kampf, and any other scraps to below the Cap teams.And viola, Cap Compliant and Balanced ready for the playoffs and a fucking CUP!!!
Knies, Mattews, P. Kane
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, Maricelli
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
OEL, Carlo
Benoit, Myers/Danforth/???Stoli
WollDepending on the leftover Cap space look for an upgrade for a bottom RHD…Myers should do
You must be smoking Leafs laced fentanyl to come up with this retarded shit.
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Kadri is out there as a name. Send Calgary Hildebeast, Robertson and a prospect or pick to retain some salary, 25%.
Too bad we couldn’t trade for a few years of Patty Kane. Detroit is light on D, send them Rielly for P Kane and a Pick.
Dump Jarn, Kampf, and any other scraps to below the Cap teams.And viola, Cap Compliant and Balanced ready for the playoffs and a fucking CUP!!!
Knies, Mattews, P. Kane
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, Maricelli
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
OEL, Carlo
Benoit, Myers/Danforth/???Stoli
WollDepending on the leftover Cap space look for an upgrade for a bottom RHD…Myers should do
You must be smoking Leafs laced fentanyl to come up with this retarded shit.
Hahaha, of all guys spewing this insult, YOU?!?! With all your hot takes?!?!?! And you had a chance to simply disagree and post your own suggestions, instead typical UG two-year old insult shit.
Hahahahahahahhaahhahhahhahah, get fucked you whinny little bitch. Put your cheeto stained thumb back in your stupid pie-hole and go cry for another month in mommy’s basement wearing your poop stained Marner onesie.
Fucking internet tough guys.
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So yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for the HB Leaf thread eh? Good job Putz.
Stop fucking crying bro…AA you little twat
I cannot imagine how much it would suck to be so fucking wrong for so fucking long. Except well he is too dumb to realize he was wrong, and that he largely contributed to the demise of HB. Not long before he is constantly on here even after saying he never would be. He needs the attention.
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Kadri is out there as a name. Send Calgary Hildebeast, Robertson and a prospect or pick to retain some salary, 25%.
Too bad we couldn’t trade for a few years of Patty Kane. Detroit is light on D, send them Rielly for P Kane and a Pick.
Dump Jarn, Kampf, and any other scraps to below the Cap teams.And viola, Cap Compliant and Balanced ready for the playoffs and a fucking CUP!!!
Knies, Mattews, P. Kane
Kadri, Tavares, Nylander
Domi, Roy, Maricelli
Lorentz, Laughton, PezzMcCabe, Tanev
OEL, Carlo
Benoit, Myers/Danforth/???Stoli
WollDepending on the leftover Cap space look for an upgrade for a bottom RHD…Myers should do
Kane just signed an extension with the wings, so he wont be traded anywhere this summer.
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Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
I guess it helped that I openly said that I guess I can ban people for 3 months since nobody seems to give a fuck anymore lol
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My ban was also lifted early. lol
Why isn’t the reply function here working? I thought it was fixed and working?
About time ????
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Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
Ek saying that it was glitch in the system that got everyone banned.
It was posters from all teams that were banned.Just weird he never replied to anyone who tried to contact him about it.[/quote]
No way it was all glitchiness.
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I guess it helped that I openly said that I guess I can ban people for 3 months since nobody seems to give a fuck anymore lol
Open abuse of power.
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Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
Ek saying that it was glitch in the system that got everyone banned.
It was posters from all teams that were banned.Just weird he never replied to anyone who tried to contact him about it.
No way it was all glitchiness.[/quote]
Welp, I guess I’m beyond saving as my ban still seems to be in place, WELL past the period that Dozzer said it should have been. No real loss, my only goal was to trigger AA with my avatar. But I’m sure he’s seen it here while impersonating other folks. -
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I forgot forgot my password for the other site. Probably a good thing.
Did you try 0000?
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My ban was also lifted early. lol
Why isn’t the reply function here working? I thought it was fixed and working?
I guess I could check to see if my ban has been lifted. Edit: yup I have posting abilities, must be August 15. LOL
You need to quote instead of reply.
Two buttons for the same thing.
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I forgot forgot my password for the other site. Probably a good thing.
Did you try 0000?
that’s for your bank cards you silly goose.
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Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
Ek saying that it was glitch in the system that got everyone banned.
It was posters from all teams that were banned.Just weird he never replied to anyone who tried to contact him about it.
No way it was all glitchiness.
That’s nonsense. I was banned in the Blackhawks thread. It was deliberate.
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Open abuse of power.
Open abuse of thinking I give a rat’s ass about your opinion lol
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That’s nonsense. I was banned in the Blackhawks thread. It was deliberate.- Absolutely it was, sneaky and underhanded.
Someone mentioned he had an automoderator that failed. Come on man. Are you in the business of purchasing bridges as well?
Everyone that can put two and two together knows what happened. Timing was far too precise for it to be coincidence.
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Someone started paying attention and saw the state of the Leafs threads. That can’t be good for them.
I guess it helped that I openly said that I guess I can ban people for 3 months since nobody seems to give a fuck anymore lol
LOL!
At some point, someone figured out what was going on.
“glitch in the system”… yeah, and the Epstein files are just a big Democrat hoax.
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LOL!
At some point, someone figured out what was going on.
“glitch in the system”… yeah, and the Epstein files are just a big Democrat hoax.
The best part is I still don’t know WTF was happening LOL
As for politics, sigh, I’d love to know who is truly running the world now, the soap opera drama that gets broadcast via the media, tv, internet, and so on can’t be what’s truly in charge anymore because if it is how the fuck has this world not been blown up yet? Seriously? lol
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Joshua to the Leafs
no idea if thats goodDon’t think this moves the needle much, wasn’t Laughton shaping up to be our 4C?
Edit: Actually, this might work out fairly well. If he can return to form from a few years ago, he can provide some depth scoring. Seems to me like the Leafs are moving away from being overly top heavy on the scoring side to spreading things out across four lines. He plays a physical game, no? Big boy for sure.
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Joshua to the Leafs
no idea if thats goodLow risk, big body, throws a lot of hits, might be okay defensively but he was a big minus player and only had 7 goals last year.
He’s a big project for a low cost. Odd that the Leafs traded him in the first place.
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At least HB kind of works. This one is just too frustrating
How hard can it be to create a website where people can post things and discuss hockey?
HHS: Literally, fucking impossible.
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the Epstein files are just a big Democrat hoax.
Must be why Obama and Biden were in such a big rush to release them in the 12 years they ran the country.
Oh, wait…
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Don’t think this moves the needle much, wasn’t Laughton shaping up to be our 4C?
Edit: Actually, this might work out fairly well. If he can return to form from a few years ago, he can provide some depth scoring. Seems to me like the Leafs are moving away from being overly top heavy on the scoring side to spreading things out across four lines. He plays a physical game, no? Big boy for sure.
purely looking at 5v5 stats, he had 1 big outlier season in 2023, big PDO bender and sh%
the season before and this last one were both…not greatrisky, doesnt give me a lot of hope.
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Don’t think this moves the needle much, wasn’t Laughton shaping up to be our 4C?
Edit: Actually, this might work out fairly well. If he can return to form from a few years ago, he can provide some depth scoring. Seems to me like the Leafs are moving away from being overly top heavy on the scoring side to spreading things out across four lines. He plays a physical game, no? Big boy for sure.
purely looking at 5v5 stats, he had 1 big outlier season in 2023, big PDO bender and sh%
the season before and this last one were both…not greatrisky, doesnt give me a lot of hope.
Agreed. But big body, throws hits. Not bad qualities for the playoffs. If he scores 15 and hits, he’s already better than Robertson.
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Actually, this might work out fairly well. If he can return to form from a few years ago, he can provide some depth scoring. Seems to me like the Leafs are moving away from being overly top heavy on the scoring side to spreading things out across four lines. He plays a physical game, no? Big boy for sure.
purely looking at 5v5 stats, he had 1 big outlier season in 2023, big PDO bender and sh%
the season before and this last one were both…not greatrisky, doesnt give me a lot of hope.
Agreed. But big body, throws hits. Not bad qualities for the playoffs. If he scores 15 and hits, he’s already better than Robertson.
If he can come in and solidify the 4th line, then, by all means. Size and toughness is required to get through Florida. Some may say, the Leafs are ignoring other Atlantic Division contenders and think it’s foolish. Florida has been to the Finals 3 years in a row and they aren’t slowing down. It’s imperative that the Leafs lock down home ice in the first round. Florida, Tampa, Montreal, and Ottawa are all tough teams to play against. The Leafs could finish first again, with less points and still be a better team than last year.
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If he can come in and solidify the 4th line, then, by all means. Size and toughness is required to get through Florida. Some may say, the Leafs are ignoring other Atlantic Division contenders and think it’s foolish. Florida has been to the Finals 3 years in a row and they aren’t slowing down. It’s imperative that the Leafs lock down home ice in the first round. Florida, Tampa, Montreal, and Ottawa are all tough teams to play against. The Leafs could finish first again, with less points and still be a better team than last year.
its just 3.25 for a 4th liner? if thats what he is
thats wack
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Joshua to the Leafs
no idea if thats goodDon’t think this moves the needle much, wasn’t Laughton shaping up to be our 4C?
Edit: Actually, this might work out fairly well. If he can return to form from a few years ago, he can provide some depth scoring. Seems to me like the Leafs are moving away from being overly top heavy on the scoring side to spreading things out across four lines. He plays a physical game, no? Big boy for sure.
Note that Joshua missed all of training camp last year while he was recovering from surgery to remove a tumour. He’s a decent sized guy who likes to play physical and wins battles. This is the type of guy you want in your bottom-6. He’s not really moving the offensive needle much, even if he returns entirely to form – but he’s making the team harder to play against and I like that.
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If he can come in and solidify the 4th line, then, by all means. Size and toughness is required to get through Florida. Some may say, the Leafs are ignoring other Atlantic Division contenders and think it’s foolish. Florida has been to the Finals 3 years in a row and they aren’t slowing down. It’s imperative that the Leafs lock down home ice in the first round. Florida, Tampa, Montreal, and Ottawa are all tough teams to play against. The Leafs could finish first again, with less points and still be a better team than last year.
its just 3.25 for a 4th liner? if thats what he is
thats wack
If he stays as a 4th liner, then he’s overpaid – but he works his way to the 3rd line where he was headed, it’s a decent salary for what he can provide – 15 goals, 250 hits, draws more penalties than he takes and plays in dirty areas. If we get the player he was last year after the surgery then it’s a disaster. I’d take the gamble on the trade.
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Like the Joshua Tree.
Our left side is massive: just giant hunks of man flesh… McManly, Joshua Tree, Lorentz, Knies.
Not sold on McMann. I’d like to see them move him, on the back of his 20 goal season.
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Like the Joshua Tree.
Our left side is massive: just giant hunks of man flesh… McManly, Joshua Tree, Lorentz, Knies.
Not sold on McMann. I’d like to see them move
him, on the back of his 20 goal season.Not sure what happened there. I thought he was going to be the ideal 3rd or 4th liner, and then the production dried right up. He was getting some chances in the playoffs but was a little bit snakebit.
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Not sold on McMann. I’d like to see them move him, on the back of his 20 goal season.
He was horrible in the playoffs. He has done well for himself, found him on the scrap heap for nothing but he’s got more value in a trade than to the Leafs long term. He only has 1 year left on his deal, on the cheap and 20 goals to his name. He’s always been injured so get value now before he goes down again and really gives you nothing.
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Not sold on McMann. I’d like to see them move him, on the back of his 20 goal season.
He was horrible in the playoffs. He has done well for himself, found him on the scrap heap for nothing but he’s got more value in a trade than to the Leafs long term. He only has 1 year left on his deal, on the cheap and 20 goals to his name. He’s always been injured so get value now before he goes down again and really gives you nothing.
I agree. McMann isn’t young. His learning curve is at it’s zenith and he can only go one way and that’s down. Cash in on his cheap contract and 20 goal season. You might get a second rounder for him from a team that needs some scoring and think that he’s a bargain.
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And why every single republifascist voted to not release them. Must be because of all the dems on it.
Stick to hockey. Your IQ drops 50 points when you talk politics.
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And why every single republifascist voted to not release them. Must be because of all the dems on it.
Stick to hockey. Your IQ drops 50 points when you talk politics.
ROFL, we all know your playbook by now. This is from whatever page describes what to do when someone makes a point you can’t debate or defend.
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ROFL, we all know your playbook by now. This is from whatever page describes what to do when someone makes a point you can’t debate or defend.
Wrong. I could eviscerate his and your idiotic headline click bait point of view of events but this is a hockey forum. You started it and I’m ending it. Stick to hockey.
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ROFL, we all know your playbook by now. This is from whatever page describes what to do when someone makes a point you can’t debate or defend.
Wrong. I could eviserate his and your idiotic headline click bait point of view of events but this is a hockey forum. You started it and I’m ending it. Stick to hockey.
Fuck off UG, you’re a useless tool. You couldn’t eviscerate shit. Pathetic PoS.
I think we should all meet at a public place…see who spouts the same bullshit in-person as they do on the boards. It sure as shit wouldn’t be you, pussy.
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ROFL, we all know your playbook by now. This is from whatever page describes what to do when someone makes a point you can’t debate or defend.
Wrong. I could eviserate his and your idiotic headline click bait point of view of events but this is a hockey forum. You started it and I’m ending it. Stick to hockey.
LOL, “eviserate”
You’re a mess.
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Fuck off UG, you’re a useless tool. You couldn’t eviscerate shit. Pathetic PoS.
I think we should all meet at a public place…see who spouts the same bullshit in-person as they do on the boards. It sure as shit wouldn’t be you, pussy.
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Wrong. I could eviscerate his and your idiotic headline click bait point of view of events but this is a hockey forum. You started it and I’m ending it. Stick to hockey.[/quote]
Ug please. You and your maga playbook can barely get yourself out of an open sleeping bag.
I know facts hurt your little follower brain and that you are drawn to lies and propaganda like a useless flie to orange maga shit, but take a break.
Once in a while, take off your bandana mask, your made in china make whities great again hat and breath in a little reality. -
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Ug please. You and your maga playbook can barely get yourself out of an open sleeping bag.
I know facts hurt your little follower brain and that you are drawn to lies and propaganda like a useless flie to orange maga shit, but take a break.
Once in a while, take off your bandana mask, your made in china make whities great again hat and breath in a little reality.Stick to hockey BlueAnon.
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Anybody eviscerated yet?
Tummy is a little sore; maybe some bad salami on the weekend.
Site is back to the toggled login/logout problem, which is even more comical than our resident cultist.
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Wrong. I could eviscerate his and your idiotic headline click bait point of view of events but this is a hockey forum. You started it and I’m ending it. Stick to hockey.
Ug please. You and your maga playbook can barely get yourself out of an open sleeping bag.
I know facts hurt your little follower brain and that you are drawn to lies and propaganda like a useless flie to orange maga shit, but take a break.
Once in a while, take off your bandana mask, your made in china make whities great again hat and breath in a little reality.[/quote]
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Anybody eviscerated yet?
Ooooohhhhh man!!!! I just did that to my toilet. ????
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going to be interesting if the Leafs move Rielly.
I think they will need another puck moving Dman to replace him, unless the trade is for KarlssonRielly must go but Karlsson won’t fix the problem at his age and price.
Grzelcyk is still a UFA who scored 40 points this year. I don’t know what he’s holding out for but if he wants anything equal to or less than 4.5 AAV for 3 or 4 years (similar to OEL), the Leafs could do it. It would be an overpayment but Grzelcyk doesn’t have many reasons to sign here other than being overpaid and that’s a price the Leafs could afford.
Grzelcyk is usually a 20-25 point guy but did have 40 this past season. Rielly only had 41 last year. So even if Grzelcyk goes back to score 25-30 points, he’s still better value than Rielly while playing the same role of smooth skating, passing, offensive LHD. Grzelcyk also played on most of the Bruins teams that beat the Leafs in the playoffs so he has playoff experience on successful teams. He’s undersized but if the Leafs put him with Carlo or acquire Tyler Myers, they can balance that issue out.
With the average age of the Leafs D, they just need 3 pairings of guys who can share the load. They can’t expect any one pairing to play 25 min a night. They need one PP specialist, whom they already have with OEL and they need basic puck movers who get the puck out of trouble and transition like Grzelcyk. They don’t need Rielly or Karlsson to do that when their defensive game is non-existent.
Rielly should have already been traded to Vancouver as part of the Joshua deal. They could have made that bigger and included Tyler Myers. Joshua and Myers for Rielly would have worked perfectly.
The Leafs also need to make sure they have 3 LHD and 3 RHD. Putting a LHD on the right side will not work as they have tried it and it never ends well.
OEL | Tanev
Grzelcyk | T. Myers
McCabe | Carlo
BenoitIf the blueline looks like that and is deployed 20 min for each pairing, the Leafs would be a much better team.
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going to be interesting if the Leafs move Rielly.
I think they will need another puck moving Dman to replace him, unless the trade is for KarlssonI will die on this hill. Rielly will suit up in the blue and white for at least three more seasons, at which point he has a 10 no trade list. Then, maybe, he’s gone.
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I will die on this hill. Rielly will suit up in the blue and white for at least three more seasons, at which point he has a 10 no trade list. Then, maybe, he’s gone.
You’ll be right but for the wrong reasons. Leafs management doesn’t have the brains or the balls to lean on him hard enough to trade him.
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I will die on this hill. Rielly will suit up in the blue and white for at least three more seasons, at which point he has a 10 no trade list. Then, maybe, he’s gone.
You’ll be right but for the wrong reasons. Leafs management doesn’t have the brains or the balls to lean on him hard enough to trade him.
Give him the Marner treatment, if he can’t get his game together. Ever since he got married, he hasn’t been as good.
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Give him the Marner treatment, if he can’t get his game together. Ever since he got married, he hasn’t been as good.
The Marner treatment is running an elite player out of town because of idiocy.
Rielly has been here the longest and has never been good enough, like Makar for example, to lead the team from the backend.
It has nothing to do with his marriage. Or cocaine. Rielly is what he has always been. Bad at defending. He tries to skate and pass his way out of trouble and makes too many mistakes. When he was capable of scoring 20 goals and 70+ points, he was worth it. Now, he just makes too much money for 41 points and being a defensive nightmare.
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Give him the Marner treatment, if he can’t get his game together. Ever since he got married, he hasn’t been as good.
The Marner treatment is running an elite player out of town because of idiocy.
Rielly has been here the longest and has never been good enough, like Makar for example, to lead the team from the backend.
It has nothing to do with his marriage. Or cocaine. Rielly is what he has always been. Bad at defending. He tries to skate and pass his way out of trouble and makes too many mistakes. When he was capable of scoring 20 goals and 70+ points, he was worth it. Now, he just makes too much money for 41 points and being a defensive nightmare.
And yet, you think some team is going to take on that anchor contract. Absolute fucking lunacy. You are the type of fan that makes Leaf fans look bad.
Oh, and just to remind you, Marner is gone, will always be gone, and he personally hates you.
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And yet, you think some team is going to take on that anchor contract. Absolute fucking lunacy. You are the type of fan that makes Leaf fans look bad.
Oh, and just to remind you, Marner is gone, will always be gone, and he personally hates you.
The part you fail to realize is that just because he doesn’t fit with the Leafs anymore doesn’t mean another team can’t or won’t take him. Karlsson had an anchor of a contract. He still got traded.
Rielly has been here too long. The change of scenery will do him well and he still has value to a team trying to make the playoffs like Seattle or Vancouver who will probably lose Hughes sooner rather than later.
The Leafs fans that make everyone look bad are the retards who celebrate losing elite players but are still okay will being stuck with inadequate players like Rielly.
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And yet, you think some team is going to take on that anchor contract. Absolute fucking lunacy. You are the type of fan that makes Leaf fans look bad.
Oh, and just to remind you, Marner is gone, will always be gone, and he personally hates you.
The part you fail to realize is that just because he doesn’t fit with the Leafs anymore doesn’t mean another team can’t or won’t take him. Karlsson had an anchor of a contract. He still got traded.
Rielly has been here too long. The change of scenery will do him well and he still has value to a team trying to make the playoffs like Seattle or Vancouver who will probably lose Hughes sooner rather than later.
The Leafs fans that make everyone look bad are the retards who celebrate losing elite players but are still okay will being stuck with inadequate players like Rielly.
The reality is, there is nothing Tre could have done to keep Marner, and there is nothing he can realistically do to move Rielly. He’ll be a magician in my mind if he can somehow move 44 without getting absolutely fleeced.
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The reality is, there is nothing Tre could have done to keep Marner, and there is nothing he can realistically do to move Rielly. He’ll be a magician in my mind if he can somehow move 44 without getting absolutely fleeced.
Wrong, on both fronts. He could have paid Marner what he was worth and he could have afforded it by pushing Rielly and Tavares out the door to free up 12 million AAV.
It’s just a matter of the Leafs having a failed GM at the helm who is very bad at identifying who they need to keep to win a Cup and who they don’t.
The reality is, this team won’t win shit and is heading for the same blow up that happened to Calgary the last time Treliving was GM.
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And yet, you think some team is going to take on that anchor contract. Absolute fucking lunacy. You are the type of fan that makes Leaf fans look bad.
Oh, and just to remind you, Marner is gone, will always be gone, and he personally hates you.
The part you fail to realize is that just because he doesn’t fit with the Leafs anymore doesn’t mean another team can’t or won’t take him. Karlsson had an anchor of a contract. He still got traded.
Rielly has been here too long. The change of scenery will do him well and he still has value to a team trying to make the playoffs like Seattle or Vancouver who will probably lose Hughes sooner rather than later.
The Leafs fans that make everyone look bad are the retards who celebrate losing elite players but are still okay will being stuck with inadequate players like Rielly.
Can you use a different word other then the bolded one.
Thank you for your co-operation AA.I had a 3 team trade:
To Vancouver: Rielly
To New Jersey: Hughes
To Toronto: Hamiltonother pieces would be involved obviously.
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Can you use a different word other then the bolded one.
Nope.
I had a 3 team trade:
To Vancouver: Rielly
To New Jersey: Hughes
To Toronto: Hamiltonother pieces would be involved obviously.
Vancouver and New Jersey would have to be pretty retarded to do that. Rielly can be traded but it won’t be for that kind of top end value.
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Hey homies:
Visited the Vancouver Canucks fan store in GM Place on the weekend.
Holy poop, they have much nicer stuff than we do.
I guess I had assumed the 99% of all NHL apparel was the same across all 32 teams.
You add in the fact that they have a Costco across the street to grab a hot dog before the game, and I am somewhat jealous.
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Can you use a different word other then the bolded one.
Nope.
I had a 3 team trade:
To Vancouver: Rielly
To New Jersey: Hughes
To Toronto: Hamiltonother pieces would be involved obviously.
Vancouver and New Jersey would have to be pretty retarded to do that. Rielly can be traded but it won’t be for that kind of top end value.
yup. just like you.
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yup. just like you.
Uh oh, did you just break your own naughty word rule?
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Ozzy Osborne now playing in the great gig in the sky.
RIP my good man.
Lasted way longer than expected. Went out like a Rockstar, played his last show not long ago.
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yup. just like you.
Uh oh, did you just break your own naughty word rule?
WRONG!
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WRONG!
Oh so you want to imply I’m retarded by highlighting retarded and saying “that’s you”, which is the intention of the using the word retarded but you don’t want anybody typing the word retarded.
This thought process you have is actually retarded.
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WRONG!
Oh so you want to imply I’m retarded by highlighting retarded and saying “that’s you”, which is the intention of the using the word retarded but you don’t want anybody typing the word retarded.
This thought process you have is actually retarded.
WRONG!!!
Never used it.
Yup, you are.
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Wrong, on both fronts. He could have paid Marner what he was worth and he could have afforded it by pushing Rielly and Tavares out the door to free up 12 million AAV.
It’s just a matter of the Leafs having a failed GM at the helm who is very bad at identifying who they need to keep to win a Cup and who they don’t.
The reality is, this team won’t win shit and is heading for the same blow up that happened to Calgary the last time Treliving was GM.[/quote]
Wipe the orange goo off your face and wake up to reality.
Marner was offered $13.5 per (another overpayment for some who disappears in games 5-7 every year for 9 years), marner was planning on leaving all year long.
He chose to leave.
Get over itAnd this team may not win (we still have Matthews who isnt great in games 5-7 either)…much like they didnt win with marner for 9 years.
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I notice there is Zero topics for Vegas Golden Knights ..the Marner excitement is crazy Senstroll
Fuck those cheaters and Marner too.
Shut the fuck up AA – you pussy ass coward.
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Sooooo, Carter Hart to the Oilers any second now, right?
It would not shock me to see him land with the Oilers.
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Sooooo, Carter Hart to the Oilers any second now, right?
Leafs should sign McLeod, Formenton and Foote to minimum contracts. All 25-27 and fill needs on the 4th line and 3rd pairing.
McLeod was great at FOs and Formenton is a speedy PKer with depth scoring. Foote is a big body RHD.
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RIP Hulk Hogan.
Rematch vs. The Ultimate Warrior in the afterlife, brother.
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Sooooo, Carter Hart to the Oilers any second now, right?
Leafs should sign McLeod, Formenton and Foote to minimum contracts. All 25-27 and fill needs on the 4th line and 3rd pairing.
McLeod was great at FOs and Formenton is a speedy PKer with depth scoring. Foote is a big body RHD.
some of these are rfa. do their team still own their rights?
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Leafs should sign McLeod, Formenton and Foote to minimum contracts. All 25-27 and fill needs on the 4th line and 3rd pairing.
McLeod was great at FOs and Formenton is a speedy PKer with depth scoring. Foote is a big body RHD.
least surprising thing iv read today
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Sooooo, Carter Hart to the Oilers any second now, right?
Leafs should sign McLeod, Formenton and Foote to minimum contracts. All 25-27 and fill needs on the 4th line and 3rd pairing.
McLeod was great at FOs and Formenton is a speedy PKer with depth scoring. Foote is a big body RHD.
Look at this asshat just begging and trolling for another online debate – pushing buttons posting stupid shit just to get a ride outfit a group of strangers to fill its pathetic life. Short fat never played sports coward cuck.
None of these do anything for the current roster. Just begging for a time filler.
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least surprising thing iv read today
Least surprising thing is actually a bunch of woke social justice idiots who believe these guys are guilty until proven innocent and then follow that up with guilty even when proven not guilty.
People deserve second chances especially when they’re found not guilty. That’s the purpose of the justice system, even one that absolutely loves to let professional criminals back out on the streets to perpetually reoffend. These guys will never do anything even remotely like this ever again and don’t deserve to lose their ability to continue to play hockey.
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Least surprising thing is actually a bunch of woke social justice idiots who believe these guys are guilty until proven innocent and then follow that up with guilty even when proven not guilty.
People deserve second chances especially when they’re found not guilty. That’s the purpose of the justice system, even one that absolutely loves to let professional criminals back out on the streets to perpetually reoffend. These guys will never do anything even remotely like this ever again and don’t deserve to lose their ability to continue to play hockey.
its not surprising you are like, Yes put all these players on my team, being King Rapist and Epstein Buddy supporter..its your brand
Having read some of the details and texts I dont want people like that on the team I cheer for, fuck them all..but its not surprising it continues to happen.
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least surprising thing iv read today
Least surprising thing is actually a bunch of woke social justice idiots who believe these guys are guilty until proven innocent and then follow that up with guilty even when proven not guilty.
People deserve second chances especially when they’re found not guilty. That’s the purpose of the justice system, even one that absolutely loves to let professional criminals back out on the streets to perpetually reoffend. These guys will never do anything even remotely like this ever again and don’t deserve to lose their ability to continue to play hockey.
Nope, it’s a simple business decision. Players sign contracts committing “to conduct themselves on and off the rink to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interests of the league, their team and hockey in general.” If teams decide that their behaviour (which was never questioned) hurts their brand, they’re gone.
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its not surprising you are like, Yes put all these players on my team, being King Rapist and Epstein Buddy supporter..its your brand
Having read some of the details and texts I dont want people like that on the team I cheer for, fuck them all..but its not surprising it continues to happen.
Epstein and King Rapist? Oh you must be talking about Bill Clinton, Mark Carney and Joe Biden (don’t Google Ashley Biden’s diary, you might learn something the libtard hive mind doesn’t want you to learn).
Stick to hockey though.
Not guilty means not guilty. Not surprising the witch hunt cult continues to be a cult.
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Nope, it’s a simple business decision. Players sign contracts committing “to conduct themselves on and off the rink to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interests of the league, their team and hockey in general.” If teams decide that their behaviour (which was never questioned) hurts their brand, they’re gone.
Nope, it’s very simple. They’re not guilty. And they’ve done nothing while under contract that they are guilty for. They’ve been prosecuted unjustly by both the government and the idiots among the cult mob of social justice warriors. They were 18 year olds who acted immaturely. They’ll be the last ones to ever do anything like that ever again. They can be given a second chance because the business is playing hockey and they’re still good at it.
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Nope, it’s a simple business decision. Players sign contracts committing “to conduct themselves on and off the rink to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interests of the league, their team and hockey in general.” If teams decide that their behaviour (which was never questioned) hurts their brand, they’re gone.
Nope, it’s very simple. They’re not guilty. And they’ve done nothing while under contract that they are guilty for. They’ve been prosecuted unjustly by both the government and the idiots among the cult mob of social justice warriors. They were 18 year olds who acted immaturely. They’ll be the last ones to ever do anything like that ever again. They can be given a second chance because the business is playing hockey and they’re still good at it.
Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
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Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
They pose no risk or headache as they have acted perfectly fine since the accusations were levied. Teams would be stupid to avoid quality hockey players for what would amount to a few days of whining from a bunch of cult minded losers on BlueSky.
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod, Formenton and Foote and save a lot of cap space too. They’re not guilty and should be allowed to move forward with their lives after years of wrongful persecution and lost opportunity.
Even if deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, it gives them an opportunity to become ambassadors to teach people how not to make the same mistakes.
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Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
They pose no risk or headache as they have acted perfectly fine since the accusations were levied. Teams would be stupid to avoid quality hockey players for what would amount to a few days of whining from a bunch of cult minded losers on BlueSky.
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod, Formenton and Foote and save a lot of cap space too. They’re not guilty and should be allowed to move forward with their lives after years of wrongful persecution and lost opportunity.
Even if deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, it gives them an opportunity to become ambassadors to teach people how not to make the same mistakes.
Maybe it’ll play out that way. I’m not arguing one way or the other. I just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as to say not guilty means they’re back. Teams will make their own decisions
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Maybe it’ll play out that way. I’m not arguing one way or the other. I just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as to say not guilty means they’re back. Teams will make their own decisions
There’s going to be a lot of teams that will stupidly blacklist these guys even after the NHL is done railroading them. I think the Leafs should use this opportunity to their advantage rather than be another sheep in the flock once they’re eligible.
They need a bottom-six center who can win FOs. That’s McLeod. Instant upgrade over Kampf. They need a bottom-six winger who can kill penalties, has a good frame and skates fast, younger, cheaper replacement for Jarnkrok. That’s Formenton. They need a big body with a big slapshot for the 3rd pairing and that can be Foote.
All 3 could probably be signed for 1 AAV or less and all 3 are going to have a chip on their shoulder with something to prove, knowing they can’t be irresponsible people without severe backlash.
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Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?[/quote]
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This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
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Yup. Just because you’re found not guilty of a crime, doesn’t mean you’re innocent of being a garbage human being. I’d be very disappointed if the Leafs touched any of them.
Oh fuck it would be flat out stupidity, just begging for a media disaster.
Even if you’re UG and think the players are fine most of society doesn’t agree and that alone would make signing them absolute hell for the hockey team.
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This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
That’s more of an indictment of hockey culture, or perhaps society in general.
EM is not without blame. Unless all of the players and witnesses came up with a corroborated, wild story, she wasn’t exactly an unwilling participant.
Keep ya dick in ya pants, boys, or be willing to live with the consequences.
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It has nothing to do with “Hockey Culture” Almost any group of young single guys out for a night on the town meet a girl that is looking for some fun with all of them. Happens every weekend in any large city and university or college town in North America.
When this story came out before the trail there was an article that came out that claimed this whole thing got kicked off originally because the girls mom found out what happened. The way it was originally handled by the police and hockey Canada was laughable but the fact that prosecutors decided to pick the case up and re trail it was 100% political and as was seen in the trail the evidence was so week that this should never have even gone to trail.
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Oh fuck it would be flat out stupidity, just begging for a media disaster.
Even if you’re UG and think the players are fine most of society doesn’t agree and that alone would make signing them absolute hell for the hockey team.[/quote]
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Yup.
Plus they are not very talented.
The leafs will have a media circus already this season, dont need to add garbage humans to the mixOh man, the leafs have that every year, it’s just amplified this year. All adding that would do is bring “boos” to home games whenever that guy stepped on the ice. Not from the entire crowd, but from a notable amount.
These guys will have to play in places like Columbus where their fanbase haven’t even heard the news.
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One idea is to sign Carter Hart for a 1 year $1M contract, then trading Stolarz for a package of picks and or prospects. Stolarz is in the last year of his contract and he’s going to want a huge raise. Stolarz was very good last year, but as usual, has injury issues. It could also be his career season and at 31 years old, he may just become Jack Campbell 2.0. Leafs should consider Hart as a backup to Woll, who’ll be the #1 going forward.
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This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
It has nothing to do with “Hockey Culture” Almost any group of young single guys out for a night on the town meet a girl that is looking for some fun with all of them. Happens every weekend in any large city and university or college town in North America.
When this story came out before the trail there was an article that came out that claimed this whole thing got kicked off originally because the girls mom found out what happened. The way it was originally handled by the police and hockey Canada was laughable but the fact that prosecutors decided to pick the case up and re trail it was 100% political and as was seen in the trail the evidence was so week that this should never have even gone to trail.
100% correct. The rush to the moral high ground is virtue signaling which isn’t new or surprising among the usual suspects around here.
She was older than they were, she knew they were famous hockey players, she was down the entire time until she realized she had to come up with a giant lie to cover up the fact she was cheating on her boyfriend. She tried to make herself the anonymous victim, probably explored a way to exploit it for money too by forcing Hockey Canada to get dragged into this mess by paying her a settlement. Luckily, the legal system actually worked and the woke idiot mob didn’t get what they wanted.
Not. Guilty.
These guys are not the same people today they were when this all happened. And they’ll be the absolute last ones to ever try to do anything like this again because their careers and reputations have already been tarnished despite not being guilty.
The NHL literally has players that have killed people (manslaughter) before. Many might not know this but Casey Cizikas killed another kid during a rugby game. Nobody cares.
Despite what some idiots will want to believe, they’re not garbage people (currently) and they’re not garbage hockey players. They definitely have talent, they are in their prime years and they were found not guilty. Whatever circus the media will try to create to get these mouth breathing click bait idiots will go away after a few days. And then it’ll just be about hockey again.
If the Leafs signed these guys, the same morons that pretend they’d be appalled would cheer like 8 year old kids if they scored a playoff goal.
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One idea is to sign Carter Hart for a 1 year $1M contract, then trading Stolarz for a package of picks and or prospects. Stolarz is in the last year of his contract and he’s going to want a huge raise. Stolarz was very good last year, but as usual, has injury issues. It could also be his career season and at 31 years old, he may just become Jack Campbell 2.0. Leafs should consider Hart as a backup to Woll, who’ll be the #1 going forward.
Don’t think the Leafs would be willing to roll the dice with the goalie position especially with Woll still being a high risk for injury.
They could sign McLeod, Foote and Formenton as depth players because even if they bust out, you replace them cheap and quick. But if you trade Stolarz, then Woll gets hurt and all the pressure is on Hart to stand on his head? That’s a powder keg waiting to explode.
If and when they’re allowed to play again, Hart would probably prefer Edmonton anyway. It’s his hometown, they’d probably be more willing to take the risk on him given their goaltending issues. The Flyers also have question marks in net and he might just go back to the only organization he’s ever known.
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This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
Sigh you don’t get it.
Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
A HUGE portion of our population does not.
And that will never change.
Argue all you want.
It will never change.
The end.
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Sigh you don’t get it.
Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
A HUGE portion of our population does not.
It’s actually not. It’s a very small, disproportionately loud group of lunatics.
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It’s actually not. It’s a very small, disproportionately loud group of lunatics.
Incorrect, they affect media, marketing, therefore, income. The amount of physical people no longer matter.
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Incorrect, they affect media, marketing, therefore, income. The amount of physical people no longer matter.
Yeah, because the Leafs lost billions of dollars, relocated the team and Matthews got traded when he pulled down his pants in public like a drunken loser in front of a female security guard. Oh wait…that never happened because they actually don’t. The building would still be full, ticket prices unchanged. The beers would be too. And the media deal will still be paid, in full. The amount of raging lunatics online (most of which don’t actually drive real revenue except for articles farming rage click bait) no longer matter. All it takes is for some time to pass and they move on to the next thing to rage about like a cat chasing a laser pointer. But yeah, physical people no longer matter, I’m sure the online bots that generate comments to sway the opinions of simpletons will start buying seasons tickets.
Many people here found ways of brushing it off like it didn’t matter. Why? Because the high and mighty morality police looked the other way when it’s an elite player but won’t afford the same for average players who were not only deemed NOT GUILTY but also have earned a second chance as this entire joke of a trial was for something that happened SEVEN YEARS ago and they’ve never done anything even remotely like that again since while under NHL contract. Matthews did that while under NHL contract at 22 after signing a huge contract and being a new face of the league, not as an 18 year old. But you and many others didn’t call for Matthews to be suspended, traded or ineligible to play. Patrick Kane? Casey Cizikas? Long list of players the SJW should be protesting but don’t. Because they don’t actually matter.
There’s millions of people who watch the Leafs because they love the Leafs and want to see the Leafs win. The same reasons that make millions of blind homers think losing elite players and replacing them with garbage will turn the tide and beLeaf “this is the year” will make them accept giving these players another chance if it improves the hockey team.
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Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
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This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
Sure, if you’re a piece of shit.
What they did was still very suspect.
Everything about this case wreaks of failure. Two juries were dismissed, judge seemed to bias against the girl, many things were ruled inadmissible.
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Yeah, because the Leafs lost billions of dollars, relocated the team and Matthews got traded when he pulled down his pants in public like a drunken loser in front of a female security guard. Oh wait…that never happened because they actually don’t. The building would still be full, ticket prices unchanged. The beers would be too. And the media deal will still be paid, in full. The amount of raging lunatics online (most of which don’t actually drive real revenue except for articles farming rage click bait) no longer matter. All it takes is for some time to pass and they move on to the next thing to rage about like a cat chasing a laser pointer. But yeah, physical people no longer matter, I’m sure the online bots that generate comments to sway the opinions of simpletons will start buying seasons tickets.
Many people here found ways of brushing it off like it didn’t matter. Why? Because the high and mighty morality police looked the other way when it’s an elite player but won’t afford the same for average players who were not only deemed NOT GUILTY but also have earned a second chance as this entire joke of a trial was for something that happened SEVEN YEARS ago and they’ve never done anything even remotely like that again since while under NHL contract. Matthews did that while under NHL contract at 22 after signing a huge contract and being a new face of the league, not as an 18 year old. But you and many others didn’t call for Matthews to be suspended, traded or ineligible to play. Patrick Kane? Casey Cizikas? Long list of players the SJW should be protesting but don’t. Because they don’t actually matter.
There’s millions of people who watch the Leafs because they love the Leafs and want to see the Leafs win. The same reasons that make millions of blind homers think losing elite players and replacing them with garbage will turn the tide and beLeaf “this is the year” will make them accept giving these players another chance if it improves the hockey team.[/quote]
None of these players will help the leafs win…so who cares.
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Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
Actually, being found not guilty and still being suspended makes them a minority group so to remain diverse, equitable and inclusive, they should be allowed to play.
Feels dirty to be correct? You’ll adapt.
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Sure, if you’re a piece of shit.
What they did was still very suspect.
Everything about this case wreaks of failure. Two juries were dismissed, judge seemed to bias against the girl, many things were ruled inadmissible.
None of these guys will be signed by the leafs. I know ug loves his rapist and molesters, but sorry bud these sacks of crap arent going to be leafs. So save us the pages of your stupidity.Everything about your argument wreaks of stupidity, bias and adherence to the cult mentality. People like you are why the justice system exists, to protect people from idiots like you.
You wanted them to be guilty, you were wrong so now you’re going to pretend they’re guilty anyway, regardless of the facts and the outcome.
None of these players will help the leafs win…so who cares.
Leafs arent signing them…end of story.
Find something else to whine about.So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games. But if the players aren’t good enough, ban them for life.
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Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
99% huh? McLeod texted all the players in London asking if they wanted to come up to his room to join a 3-way. Most stayed away. A few came up but didn’t participate. 5 did. I think your math is a bit off.
There are two sets of decisions, one in court and one by the league and teams.
The judge’s decision came down to her conclusion that EM was not drunk enough or afraid enough to invalidate her consent. The actions of the players was not in question.
The league and teams will decide simply on the basis of their behaviour. Do they believe that behaviour reflects the “highest standards of morality, honesty, fair play and sportsmanship and is not detrimental to the best interests of the team, league and professional hockey” as required in player contracts. I don’t think it’s obvious that Gary says yes. The fact that they’re fairly marginal players shouldn’t matter but probably will. The PA will appeal and who knows how long it might get drawn out. If they are allowed to play will any team sign them?
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99% huh? McLeod texted all the players in London asking if they wanted to come up to his room to join a 3-way. Most stayed away. A few came up but didn’t participate. 5 did. I think your math is a bit off.
Now you’re being willfully obtuse which is a common tactic among the usual suspects around here. He obviously didn’t literally mean 99%.
There are two sets of decisions, one in court and one by the league and teams.
The judge’s decision came down to her conclusion that EM was not drunk enough or afraid enough to invalidate her consent. The actions of the players was not in question.
The league and teams will decide simply on the basis of their behaviour. Do they believe that behaviour reflects the “highest standards of morality, honesty, fair play and sportsmanship and is not detrimental to the best interests of the team, league and professional hockey” as required in player contracts. I don’t think it’s obvious that Gary says yes. The fact that they’re fairly marginal players shouldn’t matter but probably will. The PA will appeal and who knows how long it might get drawn out. If they are allowed to play will any team sign them?
The NHL has already fucked these guys over by assuming their guilt and pulling them from the NHL while the case was pending. They already trampled over the presumption of innocence. Now they’re going to shit on them again even after they’re found not guilty. You want to talk about “high standards of morality”? That’s a load of shit for morality.
Define “highest standards of morality”. Good fucking luck. That’s a completely vague, subjective standard the NHL can use to fit whatever bullshit box they need it to fit in. It’s slimly, legalese terminology designed just to basically do whatever they want without having an actual definition.
The actions by these players happened SEVEN YEARS ago when they were in their late teens. They aren’t the same people anymore. They haven’t done anything “immoral” since even though that’s a stupid standard to have because morality is vague and different for everyone. There are people who think having children out of wedlock or divorce is immoral. We going to ban all those players? I think it’s immoral to brandish the flag of a group of people who advocate for the sexual mutilation of children and mascaraed it as “gender affirming health care”. Ban them too?
If they were found guilty, there might be an argument for a brief suspension but they were found not guilty. They have been out of the league for a long time. Consider that time served and let them resume their careers. Let the social justice warriors bitch and moan in the dog days of summer and after a week it’ll be forgotten in place of the next woke moral crisis.
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Everything about your argument wreaks of stupidity, bias and adherence to the cult mentality. People like you are why the justice system exists, to protect people from idiots like you.
You wanted them to be guilty, you were wrong so now you’re going to pretend they’re guilty anyway, regardless of the facts and the outcome.
None of these players will help the leafs win…so who cares.
Leafs arent signing them…end of story.
Find something else to whine about.So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games. But if the players aren’t good enough, ban them for life.[/quote]
As per usual you are wrong and moronic.
I didnt care what the outcome was, the trial was turning into a circus…so i personally didnt want any particular outcome.
But it figures you are comparing mooning someone to what took place with those 5 guys and 1 girl.
Such a simpleton.The leafs arent signing these 4th liners…..stop whining at the clouds.
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Sure, if you’re a piece of shit.
What they did was still very suspect.
A judge says otherwise..
Everything about this case wreaks of failure. Two juries were dismissed, judge seemed to bias against the girl, many things were ruled inadmissible.
I agree with this and it never should have gone to trail.. The crown prosecutor wasted everyone’s time and money
“I do not find the evidence of E.M. credible or reliable,” Carrocia told the court. “Considering the evidence in this trial as a whole, I conclude that the Crown cannot meet its onus on any of the counts.”
None of these guys will be signed by the leafs. I know ug loves his rapist and molesters, but sorry bud these sacks of crap arent going to be leafs. So save us the pages of your stupidity.
Don’t care if they are signed by the Leafs… Calling them rapists is a joke since they were not even charged with that but were acquitted. You clearly seem to think that everything the girl said is true and everything the guys did was illegal even though the legal system stated the opposite.
Maybe you should be come a judge so you can just accept the facts that you deem relevant to the outcome that you are predisposed to.
If they were actually guilty of rape(or if anyone else is) They should have been locked up and never been released. But in the same vein it has been proven over and over through the “Me Too” movement that Men are not automatically guilty because of a women claim.
As in was in this case the testimony and evidence was weak and the witness unreliable.
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Sure, if you’re a piece of shit.
What they did was still very suspect.
A judge says otherwise..
Everything about this case wreaks of failure. Two juries were dismissed, judge seemed to bias against the girl, many things were ruled inadmissible.
I agree with this and it never should have gone to trail.. The crown prosecutor wasted everyone’s time and money
“I do not find the evidence of E.M. credible or reliable,” Carrocia told the court. “Considering the evidence in this trial as a whole, I conclude that the Crown cannot meet its onus on any of the counts.”
None of these guys will be signed by the leafs. I know ug loves his rapist and molesters, but sorry bud these sacks of crap arent going to be leafs. So save us the pages of your stupidity.
Don’t care if they are signed by the Leafs… Calling them rapists is a joke since they were not even charged with that but were acquitted. You clearly seem to think that everything the girl said is true and everything the guys did was illegal even though the legal system stated the opposite.
Maybe you should be come a judge so you can just accept the facts that you deem relevant to the outcome that you are predisposed to.
If they were actually guilty of rape(or if anyone else is) They should have been locked up and never been released. But in the same vein it has been proven over and over through the “Me Too” movement that Men are not automatically guilty because of a women claim.
As in was in this case the testimony and evidence was weak and the witness unreliable.
Sorry but you’re confused on a few points. No the judge never contradicted the assertion that the conduct of the players was “stinky”. It was alleged that the 5 players had sex with one victim in a hotel room with other players present. The defence never questioned this and the judge never addressed it. In fact she said that it was not her job to comment on the morality of the behaviour of the players but to determine whether the Crown had proven its case.
The case rested on the question of consent. The Crown argued that EM was too drunk and fearful and that any consent she gave was not valid. The judge didn’t buy that argument and they were acquitted.
People are free to decide that 5 guys having sex with one girl is kind of stinky and others can be ok with it. The evidence and the judgement from the judge don’t affect that one way or another.
You’re also wrong to make a point about them not being charged with rape. There is no offence in the Canadian Criminal Code called rape. The term is sexual assault. They were charged with the equivalent of rape.
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So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games.
Dude, come on.
Yes, Matthews was drunk.
Two of his buddies thought it would be funny to sit in the back seat of the security guard’s car.
Then when she over-reacted, Matthews dropped his pants – BUT NOT HIS UNDEREWEAR – to mimic mooning her.
She subsequently looked for $$$$ by threatening to sue – claiming she had PTSD from her military service.
Sorry, but if you can’t handle that incident, you can’t handle being a security guard.
No arrests, police washed their hands of the entire thing.
JFC, are you really bringing this up again? It was a huge nothing burger, followed by a cash grab.
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Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
I 100% agree with everything you said, even the bolded. I wll go take a shower now. I feel dirty…. lol
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So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games.
Dude, come on.
Yes, Matthews was drunk.
Two of his buddies thought it would be funny to sit in the back seat of the security guard’s car.
Then when she over-reacted, Matthews dropped his pants – BUT NOT HIS UNDEREWEAR – to mimic mooning her.
She subsequently looked for $$$$ by threatening to sue – claiming she had PTSD from her military service.
Sorry, but if you can’t handle that incident, you can’t handle being a security guard.
No arrests, police washed their hands of the entire thing.
JFC, are you really bringing this up again? It was a huge nothing burger, followed by a cash grab.
Sounds familiar.
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Ffs anyone who thinks that someone showing off their underwear is on par with a drunken orgy is a flat out lunatic.
Yup.
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Yup.
Probably the same type of people that whined about hilary’s emails for years.Nah, not the same as political arguments, you have to accept that you’ll always be at war if you want a career in politics and that’s the end of that.
This is pretty simple though, when it comes to the orgy it really leads to three things.
Was it illegal? No.
Was it immoral? To some no, but to many yes.
Was it disgusting? To some no, but to many yes.
And no matter what, the people who think it was immoral and disgusting behaviour are never ever going away, it’s called society, and no, not everyone forgives alongside law.
When it comes to Matthews was it rude? Sure. Did it involve his sexual organ and sleeping with someone? No. Therefore not nearly as many people were insulted by it, not even close.
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Was it immoral? To some no, but to many yes.
Was it disgusting? To some no, but to many yes.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
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Ok I agree with Azure on this topic, despite it also being the opinion of someone here I have zero respect for and has zero ability to present his opinion in any way other than the most offense way riddled full of insults etc.
The court case has happened, the judge ruled and it’s done. If the NHL decides to try and prevent these players from playing by claiming they breached a morality clause I think they face an issue with the players perhaps coming at the league (if it was a league decision, the teams if it was an individual team decision) for lost wages for the time they were suspended as a start. They will layer in some defamation element and perhaps even some loss of future earning potential all of which would equate to big dollars.
I think the league will simply (quietly and not publicly) tell the players/teams in the league that these guys can be signed / play and it’s up to teams to decide if they want to do so – pushing all of the potential risk of poor public reaction etc. onto teams and avoiding any litigation.
I agree with what you said Dozzer but there is that one sticky point that I’ve read from a few people in difference places and that you have to factor in – who the players were in terms of how big a superstar they are or were. The NHL has proven over and over again big time stars get different treatment and let’s not pretend the media don’t do the same.
If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
If you strip emotion, bias and personal morality out of the equation and simply ask if the players should technically, legally be allowed to resume their careers I think the fairly obvious answer is yes.
The league can say the players broke the morality clause and as I said I think they have to fight that in court but who knows until / unless it happens.
I question if the league/players had the legal right to even suspend but without seeing what the contracts say or the CBA (and I don’t care enough to go research it or even see if it’s public) and the fact the players just took the suspension maybe they have language in there that allows it. IF the suspension is unpaid I would be surprised the NHLPA agreed to it.
What has not been mentioned but I think may pop up soon is the fact that the finding of not guilty does not prevent any civil action that the alleged victim may decide to peruse. Now if she took some settlement from Hockey Canada she may not be able to sue the players or HC but again maybe that settlement only protected HC and she could try to sue individual players – I guess we will see.
The case and charges were criminal, not civil proceedings and they differ greatly in many ways including the need to prove “beyond a reasonably doubt” that something did or did not occur.
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I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
That’s precisely why I’m using the word orgy. It’s been around for a long long time. It’s not illegal, and you risk being socially judged, however the modern day has a pretty notable difference…
The internet. So the knowledge of your orgy’s existence has the potential of being spread around far more quickly and openly.
Also, anyone who thinks there weren’t orgy’s that existed that involved multiple men and very few women (if any) prior to this is also in denial.
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Ok I agree with Azure on this topic, despite it also being the opinion of someone here I have zero respect for and has zero ability to present his opinion in any way other than the most offense way riddled full of insults etc.
The court case has happened, the judge ruled and it’s done. If the NHL decides to try and prevent these players from playing by claiming they breached a morality clause I think they face an issue with the players perhaps coming at the league (if it was a league decision, the teams if it was an individual team decision) for lost wages for the time they were suspended as a start. They will layer in some defamation element and perhaps even some loss of future earning potential all of which would equate to big dollars.
I think the league will simply (quietly and not publicly) tell the players/teams in the league that these guys can be signed / play and it’s up to teams to decide if they want to do so – pushing all of the potential risk of poor public reaction etc. onto teams and avoiding any litigation.
I agree with what you said Dozzer but there is that one sticky point that I’ve read from a few people in difference places and that you have to factor in – who the players were in terms of how big a superstar they are or were. The NHL has proven over and over again big time stars get different treatment and let’s not pretend the media don’t do the same.
If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
If you strip emotion, bias and personal morality out of the equation and simply ask if the players should technically, legally be allowed to resume their careers I think the fairly obvious answer is yes.
The league can say the players broke the morality clause and as I said I think they have to fight that in court but who knows until / unless it happens.
I question if the league/players had the legal right to even suspend but without seeing what the contracts say or the CBA (and I don’t care enough to go research it or even see if it’s public) and the fact the players just took the suspension maybe they have language in there that allows it. IF the suspension is unpaid I would be surprised the NHLPA agreed to it.
What has not been mentioned but I think may pop up soon is the fact that the finding of not guilty does not prevent any civil action that the alleged victim may decide to peruse. Now if she took some settlement from Hockey Canada she may not be able to sue the players or HC but again maybe that settlement only protected HC and she could try to sue individual players – I guess we will see.
The case and charges were criminal, not civil proceedings and they differ greatly in many ways including the need to prove “beyond a reasonably doubt” that something did or did not occur.
Well technically like it or not unless the charge is “dropped” or put “on hold” til the day before court those players would have to be suspended no matter who they are. It’s the current standard. I’m guessing the bigger names who magically get that to happen like you’re saying though. I’ve heard the NHLPA have recently started pushing to have the overall suspension dropped though. I kind of wonder that myself, being charged isn’t being found guilty, still, could be a media frenzy though.
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ose players would have to be suspended no matter who they are. It’s the current standard. I’m guessing the bigger names who magically get that to happen like you’re saying though. I’ve heard the NHLPA have recently started pushing to have the overall suspension dropped though. I kind of wonder that myself, being charged isn’t being found guilty, still, could be a media frenzy though.
I agree it’s the standard – what I don’t know is if it is appropriate (assuming it’s an unpaid suspension) or legal from a contractual perspective. It’s pretty common practice in many organizations / companies etc. that an investigative suspension is a paid one.
Now this has a criminality element to it as the players were charged with a criminal offense so perhaps that makes it different and there is language in the CBA or a contract etc. that says the league/team can suspend them (with or without pay) if a criminal charge is laid against the ’employee’ (player).
It’s the difference between being charged of a criminal offence vs convicted of one that is the crux the the debate in some ways.
Think about say a police officer, if they are charged with an offense they are either moved to an administrative role and continue to work or suspended with pay pending the end result of the court case and/or the determination / ruling from the Police Services board. (Yes police officers being suspended with pay is something that is in itself a hot topic quite often but the concept behind it is sound in that it’s to protect those who are wrongfully accused from losing pay due to false complaints made with malice intent etc.).
To that end the NHLPA would be underserving their players by not fighting against any ability to have one of their ‘members’ suspended without pay for being charged with an offence.
One suggested way to try and remedy the issue with police who are allowed to keep being paid after being charged with an offence and until the court cases are heard (sometimes for years) I have read about was to make the individual pay back any and all money they received if they are convicted. If I was arguing for some language to be fair to both the NHLPA and the League/teams that might be the suggestion I make. I mean if a player was charged with an offence and they thought there was a possibility that they may be convicted they would then simply know that they should put aside money they are being paid while going through the court process so they have it to pay back if convicted.
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Was it immoral? To some no, but to many yes.
Was it disgusting? To some no, but to many yes.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
She agreed to go back to have sex with McLeod. He texted the rest of the group to come up and join in. Most decided to stay away, some decided to come to the room and four of those decided to have sex with her. I don’t think there was any evidence that he invited them up at her request.
The players maintained that she was enthusiastic. The Crown argued that she was drunk and fearful and that any consent was invalid. The judge concluded that the Crown didn’t meet its burden of proof and they were acquitted.
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when the players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her.
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I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
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I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?[/quote]
Ya thats not it at all.
Its fucking 2025….so many women have onlyfans accounts or post provocative pics on social media.It mainly stems from a drunk inviting ONE guy to her room and that one guy texting friends to come up and then her being or feeling pressured to continue.
If she wanted a gang bang, then this most likely isnt a story.
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I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes? – Atomic Wedgie
She agreed to go back to have sex with McLeod. He texted the rest of the group to come up and join in. Most decided to stay away, some decided to come to the room and four of those decided to have sex with her. I don’t think there was any evidence that he invited them up at her request.
The players maintained that she was enthusiastic. The Crown argued that she was drunk and fearful and that any consent was invalid. The judge concluded that the Criwn didn’t meet its burden of proof and they were acquitted.
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her. – CC [/quote]
I am guessing that when talking about her being the aggressor he was referring to the testimony of a witness (player that was not charged) that was called by the prosecution who allegedly said something to the effect of (was reported as this being the testimony):
“She went onto the floor and started masturbating and asked guys to come have sex with her,” Steenbergen says. “She said, ‘Can one of you guys come over and f–k me?’”
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If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Legit, if ANY player in the NHL had charges brought against them, they would be immediately suspended. There probably is a “out” clause in every pro sports contract for cases like this. Players in the NBA and NFL get suspended all the time for legal issues.
I also don’t think the players would be successful in suing the league for lost wages. The NHLPA is obviously fighting for them, and they may land some kind of settlement, but that’s about the best they can hope for IMO.
Do I think these players should have the opportunity to return to the NHL? Yes. Will I be pissed if the Leafs inquire about any of them? Also yes. Will I ridicule Oiler fans relentlessly if they stoop to the level of signing any one of these guys. Absolutely, yes.
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If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Legit, if ANY player in the NHL had charges brought against them, they would be immediately suspended. There probably is a “out” clause in every pro sports contract for cases like this. Players in the NBA and NFL get suspended all the time for legal issues.
I also don’t think the players would be successful in suing the league for lost wages. The NHLPA is obviously fighting for them, and they may land some kind of settlement, but that’s about the best they can hope for IMO.
Do I think these players should have the opportunity to return to the NHL? Yes. Will I be pissed if the Leafs inquire about any of them? Also yes. Will I ridicule Oiler fans relentlessly if they stoop to the level of signing any one of these guys. Absolutely, yes.
This is just retarded. Pissed just at the idea of them inquiring? Just asking questions?
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod at league minimum than with Kampf. Same goes with Formenton at league minimum over Jarnkrok. Foote is better than having no RHD at all on the 3rd pair and he’s better than Myers too. Dube is a small skill guy but he’d fit in the top-6. He’s got a better history of scoring than Maccelli does, that’s for damn sure.
If the Leafs have the opportunity to improve the team by signing these guys for cheap contracts, they’d be stupid not too and so would anybody being pissy about the team improving over a bunch of bullshit they were NOT GUILTY for.
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This is just retarded. Pissed just at the idea of them inquiring? Just asking questions?
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod at league minimum than with Kampf. Same goes with Formenton at league minimum over Jarnkrok. Foote is better than having no RHD at all on the 3rd pair and he’s better than Myers too. Dube is a small skill guy but he’d fit in the top-6. He’s got a better history of scoring than Maccelli does, that’s for damn sure.
If the Leafs have the opportunity to improve the team by signing these guys for cheap contracts, they’d be stupid not too and so would anybody being pissy about the team improving over a bunch of bullshit they were NOT GUILTY for.
~Ignorant dumbassFormenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
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Formenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Yes, he’s younger, he’s bigger, he’s a fast skater, he’s still in his prime and he costs 25% of what Jarnkrok costs. Formenton was out of the league for a contract dispute and then this shit popped up, not because he’s a bad player. He came from the London Knights system, he’s a solid player on the 4th line and has scored 18 before so he can score too. Jarnkrok is broken, old, small, overpaid and useless in the playoffs. I’ll take the cheaper, younger, bigger, faster skater every day.
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
Yes, Kane and Bowman were such a massive, giant distraction that they went to the Cup Final. Twice. Fucking retard.
You can organize the boy scout plastic Stanley Cup parade.
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Formenton was even in the damn league when this all went down, but you think he’s a better option over Jarnkrok even after not playing for several years?!?!
Yes, he’s younger, he’s bigger, he’s a fast skater, he’s still in his prime and he costs 25% of what Jarnkrok costs. Formenton was out of the league for a contract dispute and then this shit popped up, not because he’s a bad player. He came from the London Knights system, he’s a solid player on the 4th line and has scored 18 before so he can score too. Jarnkrok is broken, old, small, overpaid and useless in the playoffs. I’ll take the cheaper, younger, bigger, faster skater every day.
Sure, they were not guilty of anything criminal, I agreed with that when I said they should be allowed the opportunity to play. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t make dumbass decisions that would hanging over the locker room and be a major distraction.
Yes, I don’t want players like that representing the team that I love. That’s why I ridicule Oiler fans for Kane and Bowman.
Yes, Kane and Bowman were such a massive, giant distraction that they went to the Cup Final. Twice. Fucking retard.
You can organize the boy scout plastic Stanley Cup parade.
You keep calling me a retard like I give a fuck about your dumbass opinion. If you’re the original UG, you’ve been like this going on 20 years. Go to anger management or something.
And, as always, the Leafs aren’t going to do anything that you suggest, so keep yelling at clouds.
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Hello to all, making another post while on here. 😛
I’ve been online since 1995 & was 1 of the 1st folks whom where a undocumented case of chat addiction. Futher to that I have been a admin on forums, voice chat clients & etc. I still moderate for some semi popular youtube channels & twitch channels besides being a user on them. I have seen/observed MANY things over that time.
With that said, here’s the thing: Online & Offline society has changed soo much over the last decade if not 2 decades now.
Peaple whom have old school ideals that they where instilled into them by there parents in the past can not see the truths/realities that are in front of them in this day & age. ” Innocence ” is something that is RARE to find in a person period. It has been vanquished from society for at least a decade by bad parenting/social influence & etc. Today, most of societies mindset is ” Guilty till proven innocent ” & even IF your found to be innocent … your STILL punished by society cause of it.As for “evidence” … as I have seen/observed/experienced even myself on youtube … audio/video/photo’s can be edited/manipulated ( another bad thing about AI controlled apps ) to make someone to look guilty or say something they didn’t & push legal actions onto them in a vindictive manner. This in turn makes it harder to validate ” evidence ” for legal matters. This is where someone whom is a expert in human vocal mannerisms-body language is important to catch all the signs of someone being dishonest about something.
Futher to what the quoted person said … females have changed in MANY ways this last decade, they have became VERY deceptive & manipulated in what there intentions are. I’ll give you a prime example. A sex trafficing ring in hamilton was busted a few years ago .. guess who was the leader of it … a 17 y.o female. NOT a guy … a female AND on top of that a minor !! They know as a female & even more so them being a minor .. they can get away with just about anything without any concequences & ANY male no matter there age WILL be held response able.
At the end of the day, no matter the age/gender/sexual orientation .. no one should be allowed to physically/mentally/sexually abuse another individual. And if persons is given a chance to reform, does so sucessfully & shows they have … they should be given a second chance in life. If we should look at anything in this situation, it was how it was handled by team canada & futher to better procegures to collect evidence in events like this moving forward.
Have a great day folks.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.
It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes?
Ya thats not it at all.
Its fucking 2025….so many women have onlyfans accounts or post provocative pics on social media.It mainly stems from a drunk inviting ONE guy to her room and that one guy texting friends to come up and then her being or feeling pressured to continue.
If she wanted a gang bang, then this most likely isnt a story.[/quote]
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I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
Yes, McLeod’s lawyer argued that it was her idea to invite the whole team up. She denied it and the judge didn’t come to a y conclusion on the point. The judge didn’t conclude however that was a willing participant in the sex with the other four and did
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her – Cupsie
From the Athletic article:
“Throughout the trial, attorneys for the accused argued that E.M. was the instigator of the group sex, urging McLeod to invite his teammates back to the hotel room for a “wild night.” In her decision, Carroccia highlighted that multiple witnesses testified that E.M. was the aggressor in the room and called players “pussies” for not having sex with her.”
But did they say thank you when she was done? Did they offer her an iced tea or a snickers. Those may not be crimes but the lack of gang bang etiquette is disqualifying.
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Turns out none of the players involved in this were actually suspended at all, I found a CBC article where in Feb Bettman said the league didn’t need to suspend as the players were all on leave from their teams and were free agents after this year. The article also stated that the players were all being paid while on this leave. I had no idea.
I also read a TSN article that the NHL has said the 5 players are ineligible to play while the league reviews the findings from the court case. That being said and as in the TSN article the NHL has allowed players to play in this same situation before – Jake Virtanen in 2022 was allowed to sign a PTO with the Oilers less than 2 months after his sexual assault court case where he was found not guilty. He didn’t make the Oilers and went back to Europe but that’s a bit irrelevant.
I think these 5 will be allowed to play it’s just a matter of when and if any team wants them. It very well may take longer than it did with Virtanen since it’s 5 players vs 1 and this situation received far more attention than the Virtanen one did.
This board doesn’t like (won’t let me) post the links to the 2 articles that I read and am talking about above for whatever reason I tried a few times.
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So HB has been updated and now i cant log into that.
Geezyeah, I just saw that also.
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So HB has been updated and now i cant log into that.
GeezThe top post literally says you have to update your password, silly.
Even I’m back!
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The top post literally says you have to update your password, silly.
Even I’m back!
that post wasnt there when i first went there.
But I dont know if I can reset my pw, not working at the moment. thats if im using the right address as I signed up almost 20 years ago. might have to start over
Edit – nm, found out what email I used..did not remember using that one and glad I still have it.
anyway…is there still forums to post in or is that gone?
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The top post literally says you have to update your password, silly.
Even I’m back!
that post wasnt there when i first went there.
But I dont know if I can reset my pw, not working at the moment. thats if im using the right address as I signed up almost 20 years ago. might have to start over
Edit – nm, found out what email I used..did not remember using that one and glad I still have it.
anyway…is there still forums to post in or is that gone?
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In my free time, I enjoy getting cross-eyed drunk and having sloppy gangbang sex in a room full of swinging chubs. Having a dozen male eyes on me and my tool doesn’t bother me because I’m secure in my sexuality. My favorite part is when I am third in line and have to wait my turn. It’s so exciting to watch all those other dudes pound away in the same sloppy mess where I’ll be in a few anxious minutes. Afterwards, there’ll be a “WOO!!” and high fives all around.
BTW, I’m unemployed. Who will hire me?
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They are deplorable human beings. Anyone who thinks they should be allowed to play again is a disgusting right wing extremist.
And literally Hitler, you forgot that part.
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The top post literally says you have to update your password, silly.
Even I’m back!
What top post?
I didnt see any post and couldnt see any commentsSo do i create a new id?[/quote]
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The top post literally says you have to update your password, silly.
Even I’m back!
What top post?
I didnt see any post and couldnt see any commentsSo do i create a new id?
No, just put in your ID and then click on “forgot my password” or whatever button is there and it’ll send you an email to reset it. I had to go back to the email I was using almost 20 years ago, lol.[/quote]
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let’s talk about how glad we are that pencil neck bitch is shopping for big hats in vergas rather than TO????
in berubae we trust ????????
I want to say that word so I hope that he finds a sweet hat and cane deal there in Vergas rather than TO ????
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Took a look at the new Hockeybuzz earlier. Way too cluttered. To much to see and where do you go to see your teams threads? I guess they could have spruced it up, but it’s definitely overkill.
Yeah looked at it via phone and laptop and neither seemed all that smooth yet. But yeah, it’s definitely a “yet” scenario I’m guessing, change will happen.
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let’s talk about how glad we are that pencil neck bitch is shopping for big hats in vergas rather than TO????
in berubae we trust ????????
I want to say that word so .HOI hope that he finds a sweet hat and cane deal there in Vergas rather than TO ????
ohho hat …. crusty and all …
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Took a look at the new Hockeybuzz earlier. Way too cluttered. To much to see and where do you go to see your teams threads? I guess they could have spruced it up, but it’s definitely overkill.
Yeah looked at it via phone and laptop and neither seemed all that smooth yet. But yeah, it’s definitely a “yet” scenario I’m guessing, change will happen.
It has the same type feeling as this site …. for me
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It has the same type feeling as this site …. for me
Yeah, they both feel like they need a separate map app lol
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ohho hat …. crusty and all …
The cane!!! It’s the cane that’s important to his style!!! He doesn’t use his body ????
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They are deplorable human beings. Anyone who thinks they should be allowed to play again is a disgusting right wing extremist.
Fake account. There’s no space in mine. Kinda weird thing to do.
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They are deplorable human beings. Anyone who thinks they should be allowed to play again is a disgusting right wing extremist.
Fake account. There’s no space in mine. Kinda weird thing to do.
What an F’n loser.
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What an F’n loser.
Seems to be the 2nd one here, probably by the same person. Who has time in their life for this nonsense?someone envy’s CC handle. like AA
I say enough stupid shit on my own. Fake account seems like overkill
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What an F’n loser.
Seems to be the 2nd one here, probably by the same person. Who has time in their life for this nonsense?someone envy’s CC handle. like AA
I say enough stupid shit on my own. Fake account seems like overkill
I can confirm the bolded as fact for CC. 😉
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As for the HB thing …. As soon as Mike, Russ & others started to pull away from the site, I did as well. I know the inital rumors of him having no connections to get info through did for awhile seem just that .. rumor .. but in the latter years of the site it started to show otherwise I feel.
That said … before the exodus I think I did mention it to whomever I was noticing issues with the site in the last 4+ years of it. It was too loaded with adverts. Also at 1 point in time the site was always redirecting me to a page that told you ” congrats you have won “.
Either way, I am happy that Mike, Russ & the rest of the guys have put together this site that offers validated hockey peaple to discuss hockey & give us information on things related to it as well. Integrity is important in those things.
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I want to say that word so I hope that he finds a sweet hat and cane deal there in Vergas rather than TO ????
yes dozz????
MIB needs to hire a gen alpha kid to make it more ergonomic unless he wants less traffic than hb????♂️
plus i think that our laffs will be better without the soft little pencil neck bitch and his icecapades, regular season routine????????
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I say enough stupid shit on my own. Fake account seems like overkill
you can say that again lolololo ????
edit:i kid i kid ????????
it’s good to see all the hb fam here????
this site kinda sucks because i can’t figure out how to post dank memes or easily reply to someone’s comment but at least there’s no pay wall… for now ????????
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I can’t imagine the arbitrator only granting $1.2M.
Seems like the Leafs are being stingy.
FFS, just trade the kid for a bag of pucks.
I think 1.4M for Nicky is good 1 yr deal IMHO.
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I can’t imagine the arbitrator only granting $1.2M.
Seems like the Leafs are being stingy.
FFS, just trade the kid for a bag of pucks.
I think 1.4M for Nicky is good 1 yr deal IMHO.
But if arbitrator gives him what he’s looking for team is stuck with it. Not worth taking the chance
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But if arbitrator gives him what he’s looking for team is stuck with it. Not worth taking the chance
The chance has been taken, since they can’t trade him while on arbitration.
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But if arbitrator gives him what he’s looking for team is stuck with it. Not worth taking the chance
The chance has been taken, since they can’t trade him while on arbitration.
I though the same thing. They can trade anytime except if they turn down the arbitrator decision then he becomes a UFA and cannot trade his rights.
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I thought the same thing. They can trade anytime except if they turn down the arbitrator decision then he becomes a UFA and cannot trade his rights.
Yup, the only trade they got now is to either somehow strike a deal with him before the third, or sign the arbitration decision on the third.
Other than that it’s letting him become a ufa by saying no to the arbitration as you mentioned.
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glad it was settle prior to going to arbitration.
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$1.8M and change for Nicky Bobby. Meh.
glad it was settle prior to going to arbitration.
does he and Kampf + get traded for Trocheck????Yes guy!!!
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I thought the same thing. They can trade anytime except if they turn down the arbitrator decision then he becomes a UFA and cannot trade his rights.
Yup, the only trade they got now is to either somehow strike a deal with him before the third, or sign the arbitration decision on the third.
Other than that it’s letting him become a ufa
by saying no to the arbitration as you mentioned.Oh well at least they signed him and avoided losing him for nothing. I gotta think they are going to try to trade him.
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Oh well at least they signed him and avoided losing him for nothing. I gotta think they are going to try to trade him.
Me too, I like him, he’s not a bad player, but he’s essentially a second line shooter. So on the leafs he’s practically Nylander’s backup whereas on other teams he’d be a regular guy. Not more than $2 mill either, could probably get a decent return for him.
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with Robertson signing on Saturday, the second buyout window will commence soon.
Do the Leafs buy anyone out?I think trading away contracts is more likely and more advantageous. Robertson, Kampf and and Jarnkrok are all very moveable. They were able to get something back for Reaves.
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I think trading away contracts is more likely and more advantageous. Robertson, Kampf and and Jarnkrok are all very moveable. They were able to get something back for Reaves.
Only makes sense. Kampf and Jarnkrok simply no longer fit the more physical bottom six the leafs have built and Robertson is NHL capable but he’s basically a 2nd line shooter which means on the leafs he’s Nylander’s backup. On other teams he’d be very useful and probably would land a decent return.
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Oh well at least they signed him and avoided losing him for nothing. I gotta think they are going to try to trade him.
Me too, I like him, he’s not a bad player, but he’s essentially a second line shooter. So on the leafs he’s practically Nylander’s backup whereas on other teams he’d be a regular guy. Not more than $2 mill either, could probably get a decent return for him.
Yeah he doesn’t seem to fit on the Leafs unless you believe he is due for a big breakout year. I don’t see that happening.
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Wow the comments format on the new Hockeybuzz sucks donkey ass.
I cant even log in with my old account.
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Wow the comments format on the new Hockeybuzz sucks donkey ass.
I cant even log in with my old account.
Guess we gotta create new ones?the email address I used to sign up to hb – beer.com no longer exist so I can’t even do the forgot password.
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Yeah he doesn’t seem to fit on the Leafs unless you believe he is due for a big breakout year. I don’t see that happening.
Even the big breakout year… what line? He’s a shooter.
Line one it’s Matthews
Line two it’s NylanderAnd Robertson is no bottom six type guy under Berube.
As for the HB comments being made yeah, that site is simply unappealing now
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Wow the comments format on the new Hockeybuzz sucks donkey ass.
I cant even log in with my old account.
Guess we gotta create new ones?I had to go through the password reset process. This sucks because I no longer have or know the emails for at least 3 of my alts.
… Oh, and the password reset process said it failed but then seemed to work.
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very much so.
Honestly, it feels like he hired some company to re-design the site and has paid little attention to it.
In fact, I don’t think he has paid much attention to it at all. He literally makes up stuff and posts it once in a while. The forums were pretty much all the site had that was compelling. There was not much value in the bloggers.
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very much so.
Honestly, it feels like he hired some company to re-design the site and ha paid little attention to it.
In fact, I don’t think he has paid much attention to it at all. He literally makes up stuff and posts it once in a while. The forums were pretty much all the site had that was compelling. There was not much value in the bloggers.
wait, what, you do not like Mike’s top 40 Leafs prospect list!!!??? Ah, come one now. 🙂
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Sometimes, the blogs would be pretty decent. Meltzer comes to mind. Even Engels had his moments. The rest of them regurgitated stuff, were there to practice writing, or were just trolls.
Not once do I ever recall going to Hockeybuzz for news or for an “insider” opinion. It was 100% about the forums.
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very much so.
Honestly, it feels like he hired some company to re-design the site and ha paid little attention to it.
In fact, I don’t think he has paid much attention to it at all. He literally makes up stuff and posts it once in a while. The forums were pretty much all the site had that was compelling. There was not much value in the bloggers.
wait, what, you do not like Mike’s top 40 Leafs prospect list!!!??? Ah, come on now. ????
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Sometimes, the blogs would be pretty decent. Meltzer comes to mind. Even Engels had his moments. The rest of them regurgitated stuff, were there to practice writing, or were just trolls.
Not once do I ever recall going to Hockeybuzz for news or for an “insider” opinion. It was 100% about the forums.
This hurts man. I tried very hard to regurgitate my trolling.
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Cool look at how a clip from a baseball telecast is put together.
https://x.com/rangerssntv/status/1952819357169664106?s=61&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
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Sometimes, the blogs would be pretty decent. Meltzer comes to mind. Even Engels had his moments. The rest of them regurgitated stuff, were there to practice writing, or were just trolls.
Not once do I ever recall going to Hockeybuzz for news or for an “insider” opinion. It was 100% about the forums.
I agree although the guy doing the Leafs blogs now is actually the best they’ve had. He seems to look for interesting takes on things. But I agree that the site is just just a mechanism for guys to get together and tell each other how stupid they are.
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I think we are seeing the death of HockeyBuzz, or certainly the death of that site as we knew it. The new site looks more modern, but is actually worse in almost every way for the members. Casual visitors may like the new format better, but regular forum members who came for the commenting are going to be turned off by the new comment system. No quote posting (what is it with sites lacking that basic shit now?), no threading, no private messaging, and a bunch of social-media fluff like emoji reactions and like/dislike thumbs. It’s not good.
And what’s with the poor customer service girl trying to hold people’s hands in the comments and post video tutorials on how to use the fluffy stupid features nobody asked for or wants? Is she still there? Bless her little heart. Have the wolves run her off or eaten her alive yet?
Well, it might have seemed like updating HockeyBuzz would give HotStove something to worry about. I think it’s the opposite. Ek just did HotStove a huge favor.
My two cents.
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I think we are seeing the death of HockeyBuzz, or certainly the death of that site as we knew it. The new site looks more modern, but is actually worse in almost every way for the members. Casual visitors may like the new format better, but regular forum members who came for the commenting are going to be turned off by the new comment system. No quote posting (what is it with sites lacking that basic shit now?), no threading, no private messaging, and a bunch of social-media fluff like emoji reactions and like/dislike thumbs. It’s not good.
And what’s with the poor customer service girl trying to hold people’s hands in the comments and post video tutorials on how to use the fluffy stupid features nobody asked for or wants? Is she still there? Bless her little heart. Have the wolves run her off or eaten her alive yet?
Well, it might have seemed like updating HockeyBuzz would give HotStove something to worry about. I think it’s the opposite. Ek just did HotStove a huge favor.
My two cents.
oh the site us unusable now, just trash. I see there is an Unholy_Goalie commenting, which totally makes sense since its trash
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oh the site us unusable now, just trash. I see there is an Unholy_Goalie commenting, which totally makes sense since its trash
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I think we are seeing the death of HockeyBuzz, or certainly the death of that site as we knew it. The new site looks more modern, but is actually worse in almost every way for the members. Casual visitors may like the new format better, but regular forum members who came for the commenting are going to be turned off by the new comment system. No quote posting (what is it with sites lacking that basic shit now?), no threading, no private messaging, and a bunch of social-media fluff like emoji reactions and like/dislike thumbs. It’s not good.
And what’s with the poor customer service girl trying to hold people’s hands in the comments and post video tutorials on how to use the fluffy stupid features nobody asked for or wants? Is she still there? Bless her little heart. Have the wolves run her off or eaten her alive yet?
Well, it might have seemed like updating HockeyBuzz would give HotStove something to worry about. I think it’s the opposite. Ek just did HotStove a huge favor.
My two cents.
I’m not sure Ek ever understood what made his site work. He seemed to believe that we were all drawn by all the roomers (E1’s to E5’s) or by the his insights and not that he just gave everyone a home to bitch or troll Leaf fans.
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yes AA, think of the children
I’m sure he “thinks” about them a lot
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yes AA, think of the children
I’m sure he “thinks” about them a lot
Now, Now Mitch Marner is a big boy now!
He has his big boy pants on and moved his family to Las Vegas because the big meanies in the media and the fanbase in Toronto was just so cruel and mean to him.
He has always had the big ass stupid hat though.
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yes AA, think of the children
I’m sure he “thinks” about them a lot
AA only thinks of children because the only one he’s ever touched is himself.
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Somehow someway both sites will end up merging.
No chance. This will become a silo and echo chamber for the left wing lock until they also get bored and go back.
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oy-vey
How dare you dog whistle support for Israel?!
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Somehow someway both sites will end up merging.
No chance. This will become a silo and echo chamber for the left wing lock until they also get bored and go back.
That’s exactly what we want. It’s working to perfection. Lock this place down like Nova Scotia. Liberal Hivemind or bust.
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Maybe he’s here house shopping. Shanny’s place is on the market. (And by here, I mean there.)
https://x.com/nhl/status/1953925433809895789?s=61&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
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oy-vey
How dare you dog whistle support for Israel?!
Oy-vey.????♂️
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Oy-vey.????♂️
UG’s definition of being a Leaf fan:
Trash the team and all of its fans on a full time basis.
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I’m not sure Ek ever understood what made his site work. He seemed to believe that we were all drawn by all the roomers (E1’s to E5’s) or by the his insights and not that he just gave everyone a home to bitch or troll Leaf fans
~CCI’m old enough, (and I’m sure you are too), to remember the absolute pinnacle of an Ek rumor was an E4, that was a done deal, guaranteed to happen. But then Ek got so damn many E4s wrong that he had to create a new, higher level. Once he gets one of those wrong, we’ll see E6s I’m sure LMFAO.
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I’m not sure Ek ever understood what made his site work. He seemed to believe that we were all drawn by all the roomers (E1’s to E5’s) or by the his insights and not that he just gave everyone a home to bitch or troll Leaf fans
~CCI’m old enough, (and I’m sure you are too), to remember the absolute pinnacle of an Ek rumor was an E4, that was a done deal, guaranteed to happen. But then Ek got so damn many E4s wrong that he had to create a new, higher level. Once he gets one of those wrong, we’ll see E6s I’m sure LMFAO.
The last time Eklund got a roomer correct was the Dustin Bufyuglgiglin trade to the Thrashers lol
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So. What do they need to add to Robertson in a deal for Rickard Rakell? Kampf for salary, Hildeby and the first 2028? Not sure they have the assets for it without giving up Cowan which would likely be a mistake.
I don’t think the Leafs should give a 1st for Rakell. For me at most, is 2nd depending who is being moved.
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Sometimes, the blogs would be pretty decent. Meltzer comes to mind. Even Engels had his moments. The rest of them regurgitated stuff, were there to practice writing, or were just trolls.
Not once do I ever recall going to Hockeybuzz for news or for an “insider” opinion. It was 100% about the forums.
– Aethsie
Jeepers creepers, I can’t believe I’m defending Ek and his stable of bloggers, but here goes:
Hockeybuzz was a stepping stone for more than a few bloggers to go on to respectable writing gigs.
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So. What do they need to add to Robertson in a deal for Rickard Rakell? Kampf for salary, Hildeby and the first 2028? Not sure they have the assets for it without giving up Cowan which would likely be a mistake.
I don’t think the Leafs should give a 1st for Rakell. For me at most, is 2nd depending who is being moved.
Don’t think you can get a 5mil consistent 20g 50p type guy with another year on his deal after coming off a career year for anything less.
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Sometimes, the blogs would be pretty decent. Meltzer comes to mind. Even Engels had his moments. The rest of them regurgitated stuff, were there to practice writing, or were just trolls.
Not once do I ever recall going to Hockeybuzz for news or for an “insider” opinion. It was 100% about the forums.
– Aethsie
Jeepers creepers, I can’t believe I’m defending Ek and his stable of bloggers, but here goes:
Hockeybuzz was a stepping stone for more than a few bloggers to go on to respectable writing gigs.
My boy Yost!
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Don’t think you can get a 5mil consistent 20g 50p type guy with another year on his deal after coming off a career year for anything less.
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I would wait, esp dealing another 1st. See how the team plays to start the season. Unless some great deal fell into their lap.
The should have more cap space than they ever have. Another top 6 forward is prob the need. but other needs might pop up half way into the season
~senstrolltwoAt this point, I’m happy for the Leafs to wait to make any more moves. They have a bit of cap space, they have some players that should be fairly easy to move out if needed, save as much capital for the trade deadline as possible. If you move out Kampf, Jarny, Robertson, and picks to get a player that doesn’t pan out, you’ve handcuffed yourself at the TDL. Keep as much flexibility as possible.
Is this team, as constructed, going to win the division? Almost certainly, no. Is this team one, maybe two TDL moves away from being a real problem in the playoffs? I think so.
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I would wait, esp dealing another 1st. See how the team plays to start the season. Unless some great deal fell into their lap.
The should have more cap space than they ever have. Another top 6 forward is prob the need. but other needs might pop up half way into the season
~senstrolltwoAt this point, I’m happy for the Leafs to wait to make any more moves. They have a bit of cap space, they have some players that should be fairly easy to move out if needed, save as much capital for the trade deadline as possible. If you move out Kampf, Jarny, Robertson, and picks to get a player that doesn’t pan out, you’ve handcuffed yourself at the TDL. Keep as much flexibility as possible.
Is this team, as constructed, going to win the division? Almost certainly, no. Is this team one, maybe two TDL moves away from being a real problem in the playoffs? I think so.
Season will be decided by the goaltending. If Stolarz is still statistically the second best performing goalie behind Hellebuyck and Woll is healthy and good, they’ll be a strong team again. Maybe not division winners, but there’s no clear regular season* favourites for the Atlantic.
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So. What do they need to add to Robertson in a deal for Rickard Rakell? Kampf for salary, Hildeby and the first 2028? Not sure they have the assets for it without giving up Cowan which would likely be a mistake.
The Penguins are not trading their #1 goal scorer before the season starts with Crosby still on the team. If the Penguins really suck and blow it up at the deadline, then it might happen. But it’s not going to happen now.
And they’d need to add A LOT more than Robertson to make that happen. Probably Cowan and/or a 1st round pick, neither of which the Leafs can afford to trade for a poor man’s version of Nylander with bad playoff stats to boot.
It’s not happening.
Robertson for Tomasino could happen. That’d be an upgrade for the Leafs. Otherwise, it’s a dream.
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Don’t think you can get a 5mil consistent 20g 50p type guy with another year on his deal after coming off a career year for anything less.
I would wait, esp dealing another 1st. See how the team plays to start the season. Unless some great deal fell into their lap.
The should have more cap space than they ever have. Another top 6 forward is prob the need. but other needs might pop up half way into the season1st round picks should be off limits going forward. This Leafs team could be thrown into a full rebuild really fast and the last thing they need is another Kessel situation where they have a lottery team and no draft pick.
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Season will be decided by the goaltending. If Stolarz is still statistically the second best performing goalie behind Hellebuyck and Woll is healthy and good, they’ll be a strong team again. Maybe not division winners, but there’s no clear regular season* favourites for the Atlantic.
Stolarz (career high 34 games) has never played a full season (50-60 games) and neither has Woll (career high 42 games). They have two capable back-ups, a 1A and 1B situation but both have injury concerns. If that’s what determines the Leafs success, it’s more of a gamble than a sure thing. Case in point, Stolarz got hurt twice last year, Matt Murray ended up playing in the playoffs which is exactly why the Leafs are planning to bring in Reimer to be the Marlies goalie / 3rd stringer on a PTO. They know their goaltending can go from hero to zero very, very fast.
And to the people who think “well Bennett knocked out Stolarz on purpose blah blah blah” is the only reason he got hurt, if your logic is correct, they will do it again and the Leafs will be right back where they were last year.
The Panthers are clearly the favorites both regular season and playoffs. Their team is basically the same. The only reason they won’t threepeat is if Bob acts his age or if they get ravaged by injuries.
Tampa Bay still has Hedman, Kucherov, Point, Guentzel, Hagel and Vasilevskiy so with that much MVP power, they’re not done being a threat either.
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So. What do they need to add to Robertson in a deal for Rickard Rakell? Kampf for salary, Hildeby and the first 2028? Not sure they have the assets for it without giving up Cowan which would likely be a mistake.
The Penguins are not trading their #1 goal scorer before the season starts with Crosby still on the team. If the Penguins really suck and blow it up at the deadline, then it might happen. But it’s not going to happen now.
And they’d need to add A LOT more than Robertson to make that happen. Probably Cowan and/or a 1st round pick, neither of which the Leafs can afford to trade for a poor man’s version of Nylander with bad playoff stats to boot.
It’s not happening.
Robertson for Tomasino could happen. That’d be an upgrade for the Leafs. Otherwise, it’s a dream.
And UG trashes this opinion…
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I read a proposed deal with Pittsburg.
Maple Leafs Acquire:Bryan Rust ($5,125,000)
Rickard Rakell ($5,000,000)Penguins Acquire:
Nick Robertson ($1,825,000)
Jake McCabe ($4,491,898)
Matias Maccelli ($3,425,000)
Easton Cowan ($873,500)It would be hard for me to do this deal. So I would not do it.
gross. no thanks
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favorites both regular season and playoffs. Their team is basically the same. The only reason they won’t threepeat is if Bob acts his age or if they get ravaged by injuries.
Tampa Bay still has Hedman, Kucherov, Point, Guentzel, Hagel and Vasilevskiy so with th
That’s an overpay by the Leafs in my eyes – I’d pass on that deal.
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I read a proposed deal with Pittsburg.
Maple Leafs Acquire:Bryan Rust ($5,125,000)
Rickard Rakell ($5,000,000)Penguins Acquire:
Nick Robertson ($1,825,000)
Jake McCabe ($4,491,898)
Matias Maccelli ($3,425,000)
Easton Cowan ($873,500)Thats a horrible deal for the leafs.
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I read a proposed deal with Pittsburg.
Maple Leafs Acquire:Bryan Rust ($5,125,000)
Rickard Rakell ($5,000,000)Penguins Acquire:
Nick Robertson ($1,825,000)
Jake McCabe ($4,491,898)
Matias Maccelli ($3,425,000)
Easton Cowan ($873,500)It would be hard for me to do this deal. So I would not do it.
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I read a proposed deal with Pittsburg.
Maple Leafs Acquire:Bryan Rust ($5,125,000)
Rickard Rakell ($5,000,000)Penguins Acquire:
Nick Robertson ($1,825,000)
Jake McCabe ($4,491,898)
Matias Maccelli ($3,425,000)
Easton Cowan ($873,500)It would be hard for me to do this deal. So I would not do it.
I propose a deal where Edmonton gives us McDavid and we give them a conditional 7th round pick.
The condition? If the Leafs win 5 Cups in a row, they get to swap 7th round picks with us in 2035 AND one crisp, unrolled, roll up the rim to win Tim Hortons cups.
The funny thing about “proposals” is anybody can make them up. Doesn’t mean they’re real or remotely logical.
There is no chance in the world the Penguins are trading their #1 and #3 goal scorers (both 30+ goals) before the season starts and in return they get McCabe (2 goals), Robertson (15 goals), Maccelli (8 goals) and Cowan (0 goals). Saying NO to this deal is the cherry on top. Pretty sure Crosby would tie Dubas to his garage door and shoot pucks at him like his childhood dryer in Cole Harbour if the Penguins even thought about doing this deal.
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I read a proposed deal with Pittsburg.
Maple Leafs Acquire:Bryan Rust ($5,125,000)
Rickard Rakell ($5,000,000)Penguins Acquire:
Nick Robertson ($1,825,000)
Jake McCabe ($4,491,898)
Matias Maccelli ($3,425,000)
Easton Cowan ($873,500)It would be hard for me to do this deal. So I would not do it.
I propose a deal where Edmonton gives us McDavid and we give them a conditional 7th round pick.
The condition? If the Leafs win 5 Cups in a row, they get to swap 7th round picks with us in 2035 AND one crisp, unrolled, roll up the rim to win Tim Hortons cups.
The funny thing about “proposals” is anybody can make them up. Doesn’t mean they’re real or remotely logical.
There is no chance in the world the Penguins are trading their #1 and #3 goal scorers (both 30+ goals) before the season starts and in return they get McCabe (2 goals), Robertson (15 goals), Maccelli (8 goals) and Cowan (0 goals). Saying NO to this deal is the cherry on top. Pretty sure Crosby would tie Dubas to his garage door and shoot pucks at him like his childhood dryer in Cole Harbour if the Penguins even thought about doing this deal.
Yeah know something…
You are too funny mAAn.
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Cant get into hockeybuzz. No idea why but cant log in so here I am. Any roomers, news, activity in getting rid of Jamrock and Kampfing? Trying to find anything Leafs related while on vacay but some sites work here and some dont. Most of my apps dont. Anyone help a brother out? Any signings? Max P news?
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Cant get into hockeybuzz. No idea why but cant log in so here I am. Any roomers, news, activity in getting rid of Jamrock and Kampfing? Trying to find anything Leafs related while on vacay but some sites work here and some dont. Most of my apps dont. Anyone help a brother out? Any signings? Max P news?
No real news yet.
Just rumours about a crazy pens deal and that apparently the leafs have a verbal deal with Roslovic but need to unload cap…..not sure thats true.As for HB, ya it sucks. I cant log in either, doesnt recognize by email but I cant create a new account with my old name cause my old name still exist.
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Weird Roslovic guy… why? Is he much better than Jamrock or Max P? Wasn’t he healthy scratch in the playoffs for his last team or am I wrong? When talking DNA does have more of what we need than Max P?
Roslovic absolutely sucks. Gives the puck away easy, soft player, career -37, 3 career playoff goals in 45 playoff games.
He scores 22 goals, at his best, and sucks at everything else.
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Cant get into hockeybuzz. No idea why but cant log in so here I am. Any roomers, news, activity in getting rid of Jamrock and Kampfing? Trying to find anything Leafs related while on vacay but some sites work here and some dont. Most of my apps dont. Anyone help a brother out? Any signings? Max P news?
It’s not that difficult, you just need to use the “forgot password” option, go into the correct email that you registered the account with, reset the new password and go from there.
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Problem is that I joined HB over 20 years ago and no longer use or remember the password or email I used to sign up. Switched from Hotmail to Google email ages ago. I’ve had no luck trying sort it out.
Most of the old site info is gone so I guess just make a new account with the same username and carry on.
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Problem is that I joined HB over 20 years ago and no longer use or remember the password or email I used to sign up. Switched from Hotmail to Google email ages ago. I’ve had no luck trying sort it out.
Ya I did the forgot the password thing and it doesnt even recognize my email that I used and it wont let me use the same username. Something is up with it.
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Cant get into hockeybuzz. No idea why but cant log in so here I am. Any roomers, news, activity in getting rid of Jamrock and Kampfing? Trying to find anything Leafs related while on vacay but some sites work here and some dont. Most of my apps dont. Anyone help a brother out? Any signings? Max P news?
It’s not that difficult, you just need to use the “forgot password” option, go into the correct email that you registered the account with, reset the new password and go from there.
only if the email provider I had back 20 years ago when I signed up was still around. I would of used it.
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There’s barely anything there .You guys aren’t missing much.
That site is too clunky. Too much and unorganized. If this is the best they can do, I don’t expect to see them around a year from now. This site needs some work, but it’s new and they’ll work out the kinks. Besides, I like the writers on this site.
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Its says replies here and voice. What is the voice? Says 34. Matthews talking? How would I listen?
Also glad to see less bickering and fighting and chest pumping and thumping here than HB. We all.dont have to agree but we also dont have to be cunts when we disagree. Opinions are that. Neither right or wrong but based on our own values and merits and beliefs and points of view.
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Its says replies here and voice. What is the voice? Says 34. Matthews talking? How would I listen?
Also glad to see less bickering and fighting and chest pumping and thumping here than HB. We all.dont have to agree but we also dont have to be cunts when we disagree. Opinions are that. Neither right or wrong but based on our own values and merits and beliefs and points of view.
some poster enjoy pooing all over our Opinions and what we cannot control as fAns of this team.
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Its says replies here and voice. What is the voice? Says 34. Matthews talking? How would I listen?
Also glad to see less bickering and fighting and chest pumping and thumping here than HB. We all.dont have to agree but we also dont have to be cunts when we disagree. Opinions are that. Neither right or wrong but based on our own values and merits and beliefs and points of view.
Awww come on I love being wrong
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Check out the dozzster with his fancy shmancy sexy avatar. Most of us are wrong, if we could only go back and read our past comments lol
I’m trying to use it on HB, it uploads it, I hit save, and it disappears.
I’m feeling so rejected lol
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I see no reason to go back there . Just sucks how we used to go from comments every few minutes to this, where hours go by.
Yeah, but it’s the summer, so I’m hoping this site ramps up when the season gets going. I don’t mind it. Quoting someone isn’t too bad either, just need to hit quote and delete the post that they were responding to, I wish that would go away. If they could get that figured out here it would be a big move forward.
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I see hes doing his old song and dance again. “I know what’s going to happen and if you all dont agree with my absolute certain for a fact evaluation youre all idiots” act.
Never understood why some fellas cant just say, hey this is my opinion, I respect yours too, without passing their OPINION as a fact that isnt a fact but their own guess.
Edit: I know exactly why. Lack of confidence. Insecurity. Real life midget, cant find a woman or his wife wears the pants, internet warrior. Inferiority complex.
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I see hes doing his old song and dance again. “I know what’s going to happen and if you all dont agree with my absolute certain for a fact evaluation youre all idiots” act.
Never understood why some fellas cant just say, hey this is my opinion, I respect yours too, without passing their OPINION as a fact that isnt a fact but their own guess.
Nothing all that special about him. He’s a Canadian hockey player lover and he cannot stand that leafs are not built around players from Canada. Nylander is a waste of space, Knies and Matthews are only going to be half the players they were without Marner blah blah blah.
Then he’ll ramble on about how the league needs to adjust how the cap works. That guy can’t accept the league will never adjust the cap for Canadian teams, the priority is development in the US. The market in Canada works just fine. It’s a sport yes, but when it comes to the $ it’s primarily a business. Therefore the league’s primary goal is to develop the American teams into businesses that earn like the Canadian teams do.
Get used to not seeing as many Canadian stars on Canadian teams moving forward. For instance, if McDavid leaves the Oilers it won’t be to come to Toronto, that’s such an amusing fantasy to hear from people lol.
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I see hes doing his old song and dance again. “I know what’s going to happen and if you all dont agree with my absolute certain for a fact evaluation youre all idiots” act.
Never understood why some fellas cant just say, hey this is my opinion, I respect yours too, without passing their OPINION as a fact that isnt a fact but their own guess.
Nothing all that special about him. He’s a Canadian hockey player lover and he cannot stand that leafs are not built around players from Canada. Nylander is a waste of space, Knies and Matthews are only going to be half the players they were without Marner blah blah blah.
Then he’ll ramble on about how the league needs to adjust how the cap works. That guy can’t accept the league will never adjust the cap for Canadian teams, the priority is development in the US. The market in Canada works just fine. It’s a sport yes, but when it comes to the $ it’s primarily a business. Therefore the league’s primary goal is to develop the American teams into businesses that earn like the Canadian teams do.
Get used to not seeing as many Canadian stars on Canadian teams moving forward. For instance, if McDavid leaves the Oilers it won’t be to come to Toronto, that’s such an amusing fantasy to hear from people lol.
As a Canadian hockey lover how do you not see the difference between him and Marchand, Bennett, Nate Mac, crosby. McDavid lol. One of these things are not like the other. Those guys didn’t look to their peers on the team but led the charge themselves. Marner is an insecure little bitch that cries when the going gets tough instead of leading the charge.
Im not here sticking up for Nylander and Matthews or defending them but I do find it absurd anyone in their right mind would defend marner either. Especially when hes the Canadian boy who quit on his Canadian team
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As a Canadian hockey lover how do you not see the difference between him and Marchand, Bennett, Nate Mac, crosby. McDavid lol. One of these things are not like the other. Those guys didn’t look to their peers on the team but led the charge themselves. Marner is an insecure little bitch that cries when the going gets tough instead of leading the charge.
Im not here sticking up for Nylander and Matthews or defending them but I do find it absurd anyone in their right mind would defend marner either. Especially when hes the Canadian boy who quit on his Canadian team
Cost, flat out.
Americans can get almost all of their contract as a summer bonus and pay very little taxation. I know that’s getting reduced to only 60% but that will still make a notable difference.
Look at Marner. He got $12 million. I know I’m being general here but that means he will get $6 million of that in Nevada at 37% taxation giving him a return of $3.78 million. In order to get that in Ontario he would have to make $8.135 million at home.
Basically he’s after a $7 million take home, and to get that playing in Canada he’d have to be making around $15 million a year (they’re paid by game so it wouldn’t be all the way to $16+).
People need to recognize there is a massive taxation difference and there’s a reason the teams in the lowest taxation levels are thriving, Florida, TB, Vegas, Nashville should have done better, etc. a lot of Canadian want to deny this but we are finally hitting this level, the $10+ million dollar guys are paying attention to this. It’s why Matthews only gets paid league minimum and gets the rest of his money while living in Arizona on July 1st. That way he only pays 39.5% taxation and not 53.53%. I’m curious to see how Knies’ deal will be laid out as well.
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In other words Dozzer, Draisaitl is everything Marner isnt. A playoff performer. Willing to stay in Canada. Someone who elevates his team. A player who doesn’t whine but leads and consistently. Is committed and not greedy. And doing it in Edmonton of all places. #earned his 14 million. You can ask for big money when you lead your team deep. Marner wanted it all without leading his team anywhere. Draisaitl is so much like Rantanen who we could have instead of Marner but Marner marnered, and here we are.
The Cam & Strick Podcast | “Stop fucking crying bro. This isn’t fucking junior hockey.” William Nylander loses it on Marner ???? | Instagram https://share.google/qxhg7askBjGPOuNCt
Says it all ☝️
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Won’t let me quote or reply either but not sure what you’re saying.
Draisaitl 96 games, 52 goals, 141 points.
Marner 70 games, 13 goals,63 points.
One deserves premium top dollar one doesn’t. One has earned it, one hasn’t when it counts.
None of use would care what Marner is making if he put up the Draisaitl stats and got us to 2 cup finals whom 99% of leafs nation as never seen this team get to. Our heroes we’ve watched got to the 3rd round what.. 3 times in ours lives 0 finals appearances.
Its my opinion, which isnt worth a pair of nuts on a mouse, but we wouldn’t be bickering cap issues of our top players if they performed like the top players on teams winning cups or going deep consistently.
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Won’t let me quote or reply either but not sure what you’re saying.
Draisaitl 96 games, 52 goals, 141 points.
Marner 70 games, 13 goals,63 points.
One deserves premium top dollar one doesn’t. One has earned it, one hasn’t when it counts.
None of use would care what Marner is making if he put up the Draisaitl stats and got us to 2 cup finals whom 99% of leafs nation as never seen this team get to. Our heroes we’ve watched got to the 3rd round what.. 3 times in ours lives 0 finals appearances.
Its my opinion, which isnt worth a pair of nuts on a mouse, but we wouldn’t be bickering cap issues of our top players if they performed like the top players on teams winning cups or going deep consistently.
I get it. Turning 68 on the 1st of August, I saw the last Cup win when I was 9 years old. I always thought that I’d see more Cups, but not even getting to the finals in that time period is a depressing thought. A lot of stupid decisions over the years have caused this deep, dark depression of a once great franchise.
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El Prince-o! Good to see you here too. So envious you got to see a cup!
But to add to my point to Dozzster, not you, aren’t we going hard on Matthews bonus vs actual annual salary too?
Their guys earned their massive contracts…our guys got it despite not earning. We gave our core 4 EVERY LITTLE THING, NTC, NMC, bonuses, top dollar, less term anything and everything they wanted and all we got in near a decade was 2 playoff rounds won. Perspective helps!
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Won’t let me quote or reply either but not sure what you’re saying.
Draisaitl 96 games, 52 goals, 141 points.
Marner 70 games, 13 goals,63 points.
One deserves premium top dollar one doesn’t. One has earned it, one hasn’t when it counts.
None of use would care what Marner is making if he put up the Draisaitl stats and got us to 2 cup finals whom 99% of leafs nation as never seen this team get to. Our heroes we’ve watched got to the 3rd round what.. 3 times in ours lives 0 finals appearances.
Its my opinion, which isnt worth a pair of nuts on a mouse, but we wouldn’t be bickering cap issues of our top players if they performed like the top players on teams winning cups or going deep consistently.
Part of me is wondering as well if Marner sees himself as the next C in Vegas… I have no reason why, it’s just a curiousity.
A desirable place to live with his family while leading a team versus being just the A in a viscous and most intense hockey crazed city. I can understand his choice but I’m glad it’s made and that he is gone, that guy is not a leaf.
And I should add real quick that yes I think Draisaitl is worth it in every way shape and form and I’m glad he chose a Canadian team to continue playing on and that yes he’s way the fuck better than Marner.
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El Prince-o! Good to see you here too. So envious you got to see a cup!
Yeah, saw it in glorious black and white. I often think about the time. Expo 67 happened. So did the Summer of Love. The Beatles released Sgt. Peppers just after they won the Cup. Star Trek TOS was all the rage. Man had not yet walked on the Moon. Great sports cars, the Georgie Girl look was all the rage with females. A great time to grow up. I may die before I see them win a 3rd round playoff series.
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Won’t let me quote or reply either but not sure what you’re saying.
Draisaitl 96 games, 52 goals, 141 points.
Marner 70 games, 13 goals,63 points.
One deserves premium top dollar one doesn’t. One has earned it, one hasn’t when it counts.
None of use would care what Marner is making if he put up the Draisaitl stats and got us to 2 cup finals whom 99% of leafs nation as never seen this team get to. Our heroes we’ve watched got to the 3rd round what.. 3 times in ours lives 0 finals appearances.
Its my opinion, which isnt worth a pair of nuts on a mouse, but we wouldn’t be bickering cap issues of our top players if they performed like the top players on teams winning cups or going deep consistently.
Part of me is wondering as well if Marner sees himself as the next C in Vegas… I have no reason why, it’s just a curiousity.
A desirable place to live with his family while leading a team versus being just the A in a viscous and most intense hockey crazed city. I can understand his choice but I’m glad it’s made and that he is gone, that guy is not a leaf.
Vegas isnt that soft and easy of a destination. They make hard decisions and expect a lot. They win cups or go deep and if they feel they aren’t good enough and can be better they trade guys that have gotten them there before in the past to be better now Marner isnt captain material and will crumble under that pressure. If he doesn’t perform at an elite level and falters he won’t last his whole term there. Marner is weak mentally, sad to say.
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“Dad i suck” lol. He’s always had confidence issues.
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“Dad i suck” lol. He’s always had confidence issues.
Good ol’ Marner, he always had an issue with Erie as a Knight, there was that time where he needed his “break” and then don’t forget his last game for London was losing to the Otters lol
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Right? Good riddance. Wish it could have worked but he failed us, and he by far wasn’t the only one, Matthews too, but at the end he wasn’t good enough and he quit on us before we quit on him. His true colour’s have always shown but the regular season play acted as a blinding light. Among the core 4 who hasn’t brought us success, hes really the only who was never injured in the playoffs.
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Crazy. I came here thinking this was better than hockeybuzz but it’s just a place pretending to be better than hockeybuzz but just as dead as fuck. I think anyone speaking negative of the Buzz should have their criticism card revocked. Chalk my comment down as prospect rank #93
Meh, it’s the dog days Toolsie!
We’ll see what the sites are like in October. The new HB is a mess. This place isn’t much better.
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Crazy. I came here thinking this was better than hockeybuzz but it’s just a place pretending to be better than hockeybuzz but just as dead as fuck. I think anyone speaking negative of the Buzz should have their criticism card revocked. Chalk my comment down as prospect rank #93
Meh, it’s the dog days Toolsie!
We’ll see what the sites are like in October. The new HB is a mess. This place isn’t much better.
True good point. Not much to discuss in August. We could all use a good discussion forum. Not sure HB is salvageable. At least some potential here?
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Ooooh, I just noticed that when you log in now, it returns you to the previous page/forum you were on, rather than kicking out out to the main HHS page. That was something that annoyed the crap out of me.
The new HB looks slick, but is annoying AF to navigate and follow comments. They gotta get the quote function fixed here, (aka a reply doesn’t include ALL the related comments), but I think this place is a lot closer to being the new place for hockey talk.
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Ooooh, I just noticed that when you log in now, it returns you to the previous page/forum you were on, rather than kicking out out to the main HHS page. That was something that annoyed the crap out of me.
The new HB looks slick, but is annoying AF to navigate and follow comments. They gotta get the quote function fixed here, (aka a reply doesn’t include ALL the related comments), but I think this place is a lot closer to being the new place for hockey talk.
I just delete the other attached replies, and leave the one im responding to. its an extra step, but can live with it for now
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Ooooh, I just noticed that when you log in now, it returns you to the previous page/forum you were on, rather than kicking out out to the main HHS page. That was something that annoyed the crap out of me.
The new HB looks slick, but is annoying AF to navigate and follow comments. They gotta get the quote function fixed here, (aka a reply doesn’t include ALL the related comments), but I think this place is a lot closer to being the new place for hockey talk.
I just delete the other attached replies, and leave the one im responding to. its an extra step, but can live with it for now
That’s what I try to do too, and others do as well, but then a lot of times it says you’re quoting one poster but due to all the code the comment actually came from somebody else.
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I can’t seem to quote other posts.
Edit: apparently now it is working.
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As of today, it looks like this…
Knies | Matthews | Domi
Joshua | Tavares | Nylander
McMann | Roy | Maccelli
Lorentz | Laughton | Jarnkrok
Robertson | KampfOEL | Tanev
Rielly | Carlo
McCabe | BenoitWoll | Stolarz
Key weaknesses:
Rielly. Defensively, he’s useless and offensively he’s not nearly worth the money anymore even though he’s the Leafs #1 offensive producer from D-men.
Tavares days as a center are numbered. His FOs are still strong but his defensive game absolutely sucks. Leafs would also be better off with him on the LW.
Bottom-six centers suck at FOs. Roy is not a good center, he’s a better winger. Same goes for Laughton. Leafs would be much stronger with both of them on the wing.
No 3rd RHD. Leafs keep getting burned by having to play a LHD on the right side.
Kampf and Jarnkrok still being on this team. Both suck in the playoffs, both are overpaid and both are soft. They need to go and that extra money needs to be better used.Don’t think this team can beat Tampa Bay much less Florida without major upgrades to their many weaknesses.
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I was just reading a mock trade proposition for the Leafs and Vegas ….
Carlo for Karlsson, a 1 for 1 trade.
I say no way jose.
Leafs will need their Dmen after Rielly is traded. eh!!!ps. I don’t think Rielly will be traded anytime soon.
Carlo is really our only mid- high quality Dman under 30. Cant trade him.
I was hoping Karlsson would have been dumped to us for Marner.
But we cant trade out a quality Dman while still having morgan on the team
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We should have PTO`d Lucic in retrospect. Big, mean, tough and a proven winner. The guys could have learned a lot from his leadership and character.
Probably going to overpay Roslowvic now ffs.
I’d give him a PTO too because there’s nothing to lose and no risk but Lucic has been a pylon for a long time. Since he left Boston, he’s been useless in the playoffs and basically a 4th liner since 2018.
Don’t think the Leafs missed much on that one.
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I was just reading a mock trade proposition for the Leafs and Vegas ….
Carlo for Karlsson, a 1 for 1 trade.
I say no way jose.
Leafs will need their Dmen after Rielly is traded. eh!!!ps. I don’t think Rielly will be traded anytime soon.
Leafs can’t afford to lose more RHD when they already are short a RHD.
Carlo is overrated. He doesn’t use his size and defensively isn’t nearly as good as he was in Boston. But he’s still a RHD and the Leafs need him more than they need another soft winger who had 9 goals and less than 30 points last year. Karlsson, at 32, has peaked. Not worth it for the Leafs as they already have a bad habit of bringing in has beens.
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We should have PTO`d Lucic in retrospect. Big, mean, tough and a proven winner. The guys could have learned a lot from his leadership and character.
Probably going to overpay Roslowvic now ffs.
I thought the same at first. Then remembered he was god awful the last season he played and likely won’t be much better having been out of the league for a couple years since. He would just be replacing Reaves, an older guy, best years behind him, too slow for the game. Id rather just play Pezzeta dude who may not bring much offensively, but can bring toughness and at least keep up with the pace of the game. We surely dont need both him and Lucic, and let’s be fair..Lucic hasn’t proven anything in a long time. The idea of Lucic is really appealing but with our aging roster we need more 20 year old players than we do guys 30, pushing 40.
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I was just reading a mock trade proposition for the Leafs and Vegas ….
Carlo for Karlsson, a 1 for 1 trade.
I say no way jose.
Leafs will need their Dmen after Rielly is traded. eh!!!ps. I don’t think Rielly will be traded anytime soon.
Would have loved to do Rielly for Karlsson 1 for 1, maybe have the Pens take Jamrock and or Kampf along with it if possible. Karlsson would do nothing at all to help defensively (we have enough defense first dmen) but he may still have a bit left in him to be the powerplay defenseman we’ve been missing for years. I like Carlo, I’d keep him. Many teams who make deep cup runs have quite a lot of big bodies on defense. But the whole point is moot as Rielly won’t waive his trade clause but I’d rather Karlsson for more money but much less term than Rielly.
….I’m a bit tipsy waiting for my transfer to the airport to get home from Varadeo. Its been a long 16 days cant wait to get back to normal food. I thought you meant Karlsson from Pitts ????????????
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1. AA – tiny armed, pencil neck twat. Shouldn’t you be challenging people to fights on the internet versus talking hockey?
2. ug: * overrated – you low IQ imbecile. How are you gonna eviscerate people when you can’t even spell overrated? Clown.
You should have to provide your player profile in order to post on these sites. Commenting on shit you have no idea about and getting away with it is nuckin’ futs.
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I was just reading a mock trade proposition for the Leafs and Vegas ….
Carlo for Karlsson, a 1 for 1 trade.
I say no way jose.
Leafs will need their Dmen after Rielly is traded. eh!!!ps. I don’t think Rielly will be traded anytime soon.
Would have loved to do Rielly for Karlsson 1 for 1, maybe have the Pens take Jamrock and or Kampf along with it if possible. Karlsson would do nothing at all to help defensively (we have enough defense first dmen) but he may still have a bit left in him to be the powerplay defenseman we’ve been missing for years. I like Carlo, I’d keep him. Many teams who make deep cup runs have quite a lot of big bodies on defense. But the whole point is moot as Rielly won’t waive his trade clause but I’d rather Karlsson for more money but much less term than Rielly.
….I’m a bit tipsy waiting for my transfer to the airport to get home from Varadeo. Its been a long 16 days cant wait to get back to normal food. I thought you meant Karlsson from Pitts ????????????
too funny man
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1. AA – tiny armed, pencil neck twat. Shouldn’t you be challenging people to fights on the internet versus talking hockey?
2. ug: * overrated – you low IQ imbecile. How are you gonna eviscerate people when you can’t even spell overrated? Clown.
You should have to provide your player profile in order to post on these sites. Commenting on shit you have no idea about and getting away with it is nuckin’ futs.
If you want your comeback you can scrape it off the back of your mother’s throat.
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Super sweet cumback. Showing all those 23 IQ eh little fella.
* also, she’s your grandmother too – so show some respect.
Admitting to fucking your own mother is enough to end your little retarded evening.
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Nope. Not sure you get it, son. But moving on…
I love how mad you little fat computer incels get eh. So ferocious. So serious and tough.
#youneverplayed
#cantskate
#manginaEvery time you post, the CTE lawsuit against Junior C leagues gets bigger. Hope you get a big settlement for the severe and obvious brain damage you have received. Then maybe you can hire somebody with a room temperature IQ to quote posts for you since you’re clearly too mentally disabled to figure that difficult process out for yourself.
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will there be any drop in attendance figures with the new ticket prices coming out? I imagine a decent amount of backlash
stay home and drink a few reasonable priced beers, enjoy some herbs and watch the game and the replays.
no line up to use the washrooms or for getting something to eat or drink.
the only down fall is I have to listen to Greg “The Leafs Hater” Simpson do color commenting on the game.
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will there be any drop in attendance figures with the new ticket prices coming out? I imagine a decent amount of backlash
No chance. It will only help to rid the building of the serfs and peasants that are noisy and disruptive like that Kurtis from Alberta.
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No chance. It will only help to rid the building of the serfs and peasants that are noisy and disruptive like that Kurtis from Alberta.
I agree Wedgie, it will help keep the Convoy Clown types out of the building.[/quote]
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We should have PTO`d Lucic in retrospect. Big, mean, tough and a proven winner. The guys could have learned a lot from his leadership and character.
Probably going to overpay Roslowvic now ffs.
I will be VERY pissed if this happens.
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will there be any drop in attendance figures with the new ticket prices coming out? I imagine a decent amount of backlash
Not even in the slightest, there will always be some idiot willing to part with a car payment to watch the Leafs.
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Not even in the slightest, there will always be some idiot willing to part with a car payment to watch the Leafs.
I would gladly pay what I pay for car payments for Leaf tickets.
which is zeromaybe also why iv never seen a leafs game in Toronto
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We should have PTO`d Lucic in retrospect. Big, mean, tough and a proven winner. The guys could have learned a lot from his leadership and character.
Probably going to overpay Roslowvic now ffs.
I will be VERY pissed if this happens.
Prepare to be pissed.
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No chance. It will only help to rid the building of the serfs and peasants that are noisy and disruptive like that Kurtis from Alberta.
I agree Wedgie, it will help keep the Convoy Clown types out of the building.[/quote]
Holy shit, someone still putting up fake posts supposedly from me
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, you’re franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, your franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
Franchise values increased by almost 50% last year and the Leafs are now worth more than $4B. Owners are happy and nobody is interested in making any changes.
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, you’re franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
Yes, amazing plan; boycott the tickets that nobody can afford!
I’m sure every corporate entity will join the cause.
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, you’re franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
Except Leafs ticket prices would be completely unaffected if they eliminated revenue sharing.
Ticket prices are not tied to costs – it’s simply supply and demand.
I hate that the price I pay for tickets partially funds weaker clubs, but if revenue sharing was eliminated, MLSE wouldn’t lower ticket prices – they would simply make more profit.
Having said that, I would like to see the NHL adopt a soft cap like MLB – I strongly believe that baseball benefits financially by having big market teams have a slight advantage.
You either love the Yankees or you hate the Yankees, but either way, you are paying attention to them.
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, you’re franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
Except Leafs ticket prices would be completely unaffected if they eliminated revenue sharing.
Ticket prices are not tied to costs – it’s simply supply and demand.
I hate that the price I pay for tickets partially funds weaker clubs, but if revenue sharing was eliminated, MLSE wouldn’t lower ticket prices – they would simply make more profit.
Having said that, I would like to see the NHL adopt a soft cap like MLB – I strongly believe that baseball benefits financially by having big market teams have a slight advantage.
You either love the Yankees or you hate the Yankees, but either way, you are paying attention to them.
100%.
There should be a soft cap of 5-10% of the total cap that teams are allowed to go over for a brief period of time. Perhaps limit teams to only 3 overages every 5 years or something like that. Additionally, include a dollar for dollar tax that goes directly to revenue sharing so that weak teams can still benefit from the system.
Perhaps also look at a franchise tag type of provision that allows teams to grossly overpay one player without it counting against the cap so teams have better odds of retaining their cornerstone player.
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Except Leafs ticket prices would be completely unaffected if they eliminated revenue sharing.
Ticket prices are not tied to costs – it’s simply supply and demand.
I hate that the price I pay for tickets partially funds weaker clubs, but if revenue sharing was eliminated, MLSE wouldn’t lower ticket prices – they would simply make more profit.
Having said that, I would like to see the NHL adopt a soft cap like MLB – I strongly believe that baseball benefits financially by having big market teams have a slight advantage.
You either love the Yankees or you hate the Yankees, but either way, you are paying attention to them.
100%.
I bet there would be a change if the Federal and Provincial governments took away the Entertainment write-off provision. If the Corporate Elites had to actually pay for their tickets, they might just say, “No Thanks!” Maybe then, tickets would become available for less. On one other note, I don’t know why that the Canadian teams and other U.S. markets didn’t fight harder in-regards-to evening up the tax situations that favour the Southern, no income tax states. There needs to be balance. Canadian teams can’t afford Canadian players, due to the taxation issues. American and some European players can have their bonuses paid in their own jurisdiction and save a lot of money. Canadians? They’re stuck with the Elbows Up your ass government that would rather have it as Hand’s up, as they steal your wallet.
There should be a soft cap of 5-10% of the total cap that teams are allowed to go over for a brief period of time. Perhaps limit teams to only 3 overages every 5 years or something like that. Additionally, include a dollar for dollar tax that goes directly to revenue sharing so that weak teams can still benefit from the system.
Perhaps also look at a franchise tag type of provision that allows teams to grossly overpay one player without it counting against the cap so teams have better odds of retaining their cornerstone player.[/quote]
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I bet there would be a change if the Federal and Provincial governments took away the Entertainment write-off provision. If the Corporate Elites had to actually pay for their tickets, they might just say, “No Thanks!” Maybe then, tickets would become available for less. On one other note, I don’t know why that the Canadian teams and other U.S. markets didn’t fight harder in-regards-to evening up the tax situations that favour the Southern, no income tax states. There needs to be balance. Canadian teams can’t afford Canadian players, due to the taxation issues. American and some European players can have their bonuses paid in their own jurisdiction and save a lot of money. Canadians? They’re stuck with the Elbows Up your ass government that would rather have it as Hand’s up, as they steal your wallet.
Turkeys voted for Thanksgiving, now they’re reading the menu.
Elbows down, knee pads on.
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Ticket prices are insane, I think I may just use the $ I usually use to hit some Leafs games and go to some jays playoff games or maybe go see the Leafs on the road.
Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
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Ticket prices are insane, I think I may just use the $ I usually use to hit some Leafs games and go to some jays playoff games or maybe go see the Leafs on the road.
Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
Sigh.
I demonstrated a dozen times last year that ticket prices are not what people think – the premium markups for games on the secondary market died during COVID.
Any game Monday to Wednesday, as long as it isn’t the Habs, you can purchase tix for below what the season ticket holder bought them for. Just wait until 5:30 pm.
Upper bowls for $100 or less. Lower for $250 or less.
Much cheaper than gas/airfare and hotel at any away game.
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Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
Nobody cares Rob. Just your ultra sensitive self. Scroll on by like a man, or go dye your hair purple you snowflake.
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Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
Nobody cares Rob. Just your ultra sensitive self. Scroll on by like a man, or go dye your hair purple you snowflake.
Who’s noah body AA?
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Oh the delicious irony – deaf retard who lives in a shack in hillbilly Ontario:
– steals peoples hockey forum user names
– has 7 alts
– challenges people to fights on the internet
– rubs his mangina to posters of bitchy mitchyThis puffy little bitch telling others to be a man and calling them snowflakes? What a planet eh!
…Still maybe not worse than some fat little incel dweeb talking shit about a game he doesn’t understand. With his CTE, also causing his IQ to drop below 23. I mean if he even at least could be a burner and play JrC level hockey – he may have a fighting chance on here.
Geeks are awesome for laughs though for sure!
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It’s long overdue, a Maple Leafs ticket revolt. I’m tired of subsidizing 2/3rds of the NHL with Revenue Sharing. Let the southern teams dry up, whither and die. They already get all of the tax benefits and we still send them money to keep them operational. There should be a 3 year moratorium on Revenue Sharing. If you can’t make it, in 3 years, you’re franchise is relocated or folded. Enough of this sh!t!
Except Leafs ticket prices would be completely unaffected if they eliminated revenue sharing.
Ticket prices are not tied to costs – it’s simply supply and demand.
I hate that the price I pay for tickets partially funds weaker clubs, but if revenue sharing was eliminated, MLSE wouldn’t lower ticket prices – they would simply make more profit.
Having said that, I would like to see the NHL adopt a soft cap like MLB – I strongly believe that baseball benefits financially by having big market teams have a slight advantage.
You either love the Yankees or you hate the Yankees, but either way, you are paying attention to them.
I’d love it all if Leafs could use their financial muscle to spend more than other teams but hard cap isn’t going anywhere.
Fans are happy: ticket sales are up across the league and Leafs continue to sell out.
Players are happy: rising cap is pushing up salaries.
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Ticket prices are insane, I think I may just use the $ I usually use to hit some Leafs games and go to some jays playoff games or maybe go see the Leafs on the road.
Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
Sigh.
I demonstrated a dozen times last year that ticket prices are not what people think – the premium markups for games on the secondary market died during COVID.
Any game Monday to Wednesday, as long as it isn’t the Habs, you can purchase tix for below what the season ticket holder bought them for. Just wait until 5:30 pm.
Upper bowls for $100 or less. Lower for $250 or less.
Much cheaper than gas/airfare and hotel at any away game.
We all love you for it Wedgie but what you demonstrated is the secondary market value on game day and not the actual ticket prices that MLSE sells the seats for – those bastards NEVER drop their prices even on game day. It’s great if you live or work in Toronto and can just grab tickets an hour or 2 before the game and if the prices don’t drop to what you want to spend just stick around at the Keg and continue to fill up (see I remembner what you wrote you clever MF! lol) but sadly not everyone can.
The issue for many is they need to plan to attend a Leaf game well enough in advance for kiddos or just travel because the have a long ass drive or train ride home post game etc. so they need to get tickets and plan the game day/next day to fit.
I’ve never flown anywhere to go to a game but I’ve driven to quite a few places to see a Leaf road game and it’s a nice bonus to get to visit a new city. I’ve been to (in no particular order) Montreal (Forum and Bell Centre), Ottawa, Dallas, Pittsburgh (Igloo and PGP Centre), Buffalo and Nashville to see the Leafs and hope to add more places over the years. I’ve seen a game in Detroit (at the Joe) and Winnipeg just not the Leafs.
I mean Toronto was one of the most expensive places to see a game already so I guess it is what it is but can you imagine a world where you didn’t have to sit and take advantage of the happy hour specials at the KEG to see if you can get tickets for what you want to pay? lol
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Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
Nobody cares Rob. Just your ultra sensitive self. Scroll on by like a man, or go dye your hair purple you snowflake.
Are you that desperate for attention that you need to try to bait me into a back and forth with you?
Jesus AA you really are a sad little man.I also assume you fail to see the irony in telling me to scroll on by ‘like a man’ when you can’t even do so yourself and feel the need to then tell me to go dye my hair purple like a snowflake?
Every time I think you can’t get any dumber you prove me wrong, congrats on that.
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Nobody cares Rob. Just your ultra sensitive self. Scroll on by like a man, or go dye your hair purple you snowflake.
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Wedgie, re: tickets
While this may be true, part of the issue is that there are so many on-line ticket re-sellers I have no idea which ones are legit or not.
Plus, if I wait until that time, I won’t make it to the game on time. Not everyone is a few subway stops away 🙂Are scalpers around the arena even a thing? If they are, that is a whole nother problem. I have zero desire to interact with them.
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Wedgie, re: tickets
While this may be true, part of the issue is that there are so many on-line ticket re-sellers I have no idea which ones are legit or not.
Plus, if I wait until that time, I won’t make it to the game on time. Not everyone is a few subway stops away
Are scalpers around the arena even a thing? If they are, that is a whole nother problem. I have zero desire to interact with them.
Unless you know the person you are buying from (say a friend or a friend has vouched for the person) I think the only online re-seller route to be completely safe is to use Ticketmaster. Unfortunately they take a bite from the resale so sellers have to mark up a bit if they want to lose less but at least your protected and can buy with no worries.
Edit – HOLY BIG EMOJI IN THE REPLY WITH QUOTE! lol
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Wedgie, re: tickets
While this may be true, part of the issue is that there are so many on-line ticket re-sellers I have no idea which ones are legit or not.
Plus, if I wait until that time, I won’t make it to the game on time. Not everyone is a few subway stops awayAre scalpers around the arena even a thing? If they are, that is a whole nother problem. I have zero desire to interact with them.
Scalpers are very few and far between these days.
Every single price I quoted last year was straight from the Ticketmaster site – so even with their pirate fees, it’s still cheaper on Monday to Wednesday than if you bought them straight from MLSE.
I realize that you have to take a bit of a leap of faith, but as I demonstrated numerous times here, Wedgie is never wrong on anything, including cheap tickets Monday to Wednesday. And if worst comes to worst, you can always still watch the game at a sports bar downtown, which is still a better experience (albeit more expensive) than watching it alone at home.
See you at the Keg York Street, Aethsie.
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Scalpers are very few and far between these days.
Every single price I quoted last year was straight from the Ticketmaster site – so even with their pirate fees, it’s still cheaper on Monday to Wednesday than if you bought them straight from MLSE.
I realize that you have to take a bit of a leap of faith, but as I demonstrated numerous times here, Wedgie is never wrong on anything, including cheap tickets Monday to Wednesday. And if worst comes to worst, you can always still watch the game at a sports bar downtown, which is still a better experience (albeit more expensive) than watching it alone at home.
See you at the Keg York Street, Aethsie.
Done!
I wish Marner didn’t go to Vegas. Son is a Vegas fan and that is the one game we go to every year. This year, the prices will probably be crazy!
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I read this trade proposal for the Leafs
Leafs: E. Kane
Canucks: Domi, Jarnkrok and Cowen.To me this is such a very bad trade proposal.
no deal, no way unless Cowen is removed from the proposal, but still.So two months ago, Kane was worth a 4th round draft pick, and now somebody thinks they can flip him for Domi, Jarnkrok and Cowen?
I get that Domi and Jarnkrok can be viewed as salary dumps, but bish, please.
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I read this trade proposal for the Leafs
Leafs: E. Kane
Canucks: Domi, Jarnkrok and Cowen.To me this is such a very bad trade proposal.
no deal, no way unless Cowen is removed from the proposal, but still.Did you read that on a piece of cardboard underneath a homeless guy who thinks he’s the reincarnation of Bobby Baun?
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projections so far has Leafs at around 100 points.
which would be their lowest total since 19-20 season (adjusted /82 games).
Going to be an interesting season for Narratives.also. fucking stupid tariff nonsense killing any shipping to the US..what a mess
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projections so far has Leafs at around 100 points.
which would be their lowest total since 19-20 season (adjusted /82 games).
Going to be an interesting season for Narratives.also. fucking stupid tariff nonsense killing any shipping to the US..what a mess
Elbows down, knee pads on.
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Elbows down, knee pads on.
whats going on here.. you posting your weekend plans again?
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Elbows down, knee pads on.
whats going on here.. you posting your weekend plans again?
Nope, just Carney’s daily routine.
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Nope, just Carney’s daily routine.
Just came back from the States, near Cornwall. Pretty much devoid of Canadians going stateside. I’ve been across a couple of other Canadian/U.S. border crossings recently, and the same thing. It’s a great time to go stateside. Hotels are cheap, because there’s no Canadian’s staying and restaurants are not busy. Some decent deals to be had and I don’t have to look at the Elbows Up clowns that seem to be everywhere in Woke City Canada, Kingston. I’m just glad that Hockey is soon becoming relevant once again. Blue Jays are trending into collapse mode with the Jordan Romano disease being spread around in the bullpen. Let’s go Bills!
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Nope, just Carney’s daily routine.
Just came back from the States, near Cornwall. Pretty much devoid of Canadians going stateside. I’ve been across a couple of other Canadian/U.S. border crossings recently, and the same thing. It’s a great time to go stateside. Hotels are cheap, because there’s no Canadian’s staying and restaurants are not busy. Some decent deals to be had and I don’t have to look at the Elbows Up clowns that seem to be everywhere in Woke City Canada, Kingston. I’m just glad that Hockey is soon becoming relevant once again. Blue Jays are trending into collapse mode with the Jordan Romano disease being spread around in the bullpen. Let’s go Bills!
Sounds like just the place for you. Id say move to the US.
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Just came back from the States, near Cornwall. Pretty much devoid of Canadians going stateside. I’ve been across a couple of other Canadian/U.S. border crossings recently, and the same thing. It’s a great time to go stateside. Hotels are cheap, because there’s no Canadian’s staying and restaurants are not busy. Some decent deals to be had and I don’t have to look at the Elbows Up clowns that seem to be everywhere in Woke City Canada, Kingston. I’m just glad that Hockey is soon becoming relevant once again. Blue Jays are trending into collapse mode with the Jordan Romano disease being spread around in the bullpen. Let’s go Bills![/quote]
Not interested in going to a garbage 2nd world country with many restricted freedoms.
I also see you are one those who continue to misuse “woke”.Ya the Jays seem to be falling apart…..its a Toronto sports thing.
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Just read an article about the Habs and how they are currently 6M over the cap and will be trading Carey Price’s contract to San Jose to free up cap space. Nice to read about a team in ‘cap hell’ that isn’t the Leafs lol.
Article posted below as every time I try to insert it into a post here it doesn’t seem to work.
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Just read an article about the Habs and how they are currently 6M over the cap and will be trading Carey Price’s contract to San Jose to free up cap space. Nice to read about a team in ‘cap hell’ that isn’t the Leafs lol.
Article posted below as every time I try to insert it into a post here it doesn’t seem to work.
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But, not really cap hell if they are trading the contract away and getting out from under it.
Hoping it cost them a pretty penny.Its prob a very good add for a team that doesnt want to spend to the cap. gets 10 on the cap, and looks like only 2 mil salary.
they prob get something back for him
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Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources: The #NHL and #NHLPA have agreed to a rolling implementation schedule for CBA changes.Among them: the new playoff salary cap system will come into effect *this season* for the 2026 Stanley Cup playoffs.
League must have got wind the Leafs were set to take advantage of it..so need to put a stop to it now
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Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources: The #NHL and #NHLPA have agreed to a rolling implementation schedule for CBA changes.
Among them: the new playoff salary cap system will come into effect *this season* for the 2026 Stanley Cup playoffs.League must have got wind the Leafs were set to take advantage of it..so need to put a stop to it now
In other news, Matthew Tkachuk has miraculously recovered and will not need surgery
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Leafs re-sign Hildebeast for 3 years. Clearly, they’re trading Woll and Rielly to Edmonton for the last year of McDavid and he’ll instantly sign a 8 year, $9.7M deal. In Tre we trust!!!
What kind of cereal did you have after you woke up from that dream?
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Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources: The #NHL and #NHLPA have agreed to a rolling implementation schedule for CBA changes.
Among them: the new playoff salary cap system will come into effect *this season* for the 2026 Stanley Cup playoffs.League must have got wind the Leafs were set to take advantage of it..so need to put a stop to it now
Must be from when they benched Matthews after the Four Nations to rest him for the playoffs and give themselves more deadline cap space.
Oh wait, they were too stupid to do that.
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Just read an article about the Habs and how they are currently 6M over the cap and will be trading Carey Price’s contract to San Jose to free up cap space. Nice to read about a team in ‘cap hell’ that isn’t the Leafs lol.
Article posted below as every time I try to insert it into a post here it doesn’t seem to work.
But, not really cap hell if they are trading the contract away and getting out from under it.
Hoping it cost them a pretty penny.The article said it may cost them a 1st round pick, guess we will see but for now (until they trade the contract) they are in CAP HELL!!!!!!
You can’t take that away from me. lol
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Just came back from the States, near Cornwall. Pretty much devoid of Canadians going stateside. I’ve been across a couple of other Canadian/U.S. border crossings recently, and the same thing. It’s a great time to go stateside. Hotels are cheap, because there’s no Canadian’s staying and restaurants are not busy. Some decent deals to be had and I don’t have to look at the Elbows Up clowns that seem to be everywhere in Woke City Canada, Kingston. I’m just glad that Hockey is soon becoming relevant once again. Blue Jays are trending into collapse mode with the Jordan Romano disease being spread around in the bullpen. Let’s go Bills!
Not interested in going to a garbage 2nd world country with many restricted freedoms.
I also see you are one those who continue to misuse “woke”.Ya the Jays seem to be falling apart…..its a Toronto sports thing.[/quote]
I may not move, but my investments are going elsewhere. You can’t make decent money on Canadian investments. The low return gets eaten up by inflation and a devalued currency. I’ve contemplated moving, but I have a disable child in a group home, in Canada, and aging in-laws that my wife would have an issue leaving them to fend for themselves.
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Leafs re-sign Hildebeast for 3 years. Clearly, they’re trading Woll and Rielly to Edmonton for the last year of McDavid and he’ll instantly sign a 8 year, $9.7M deal. In Tre we trust!!!
I thought the same thing. We may have to throw in the rights to Korshkov though. This is definitely going to happen.
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I may not move, but my investments are going elsewhere. You can’t make decent money on Canadian investments. The low return gets eaten up by inflation and a devalued currency. I’ve contemplated moving, but I have a disable child in a group home, in Canada, and aging in-laws that my wife would have an issue leaving them to fend for themselves.
This whole mess would be easier to navigate without family concerns. I have to go to the US on Thursday as my dad is not doing well 🙁
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Not interested in going to a garbage 2nd world country with many restricted freedoms.
You already live in one.
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This whole mess would be easier to navigate without family concerns. I have to go to the US on Thursday as my dad is not doing well
Yeah, going to retire soon. Tried twice before. The inflation nonsense pushed me back into the workforce. Just waiting on the Trump Economy to boost the investments before finally giving it up. I’ll talk to my investment agent and see if it’s smart to turn my Canadian Dollars into U.S. Dollars. Just waiting for the great U.S. devaluation that is part of the Trump economic plan. Use tariffs to bring outside industries back to America, then devalue the currency and make the U.S. products cheaper to export. It’ll take about a 1% interest rate drop to make it happen. The U.S. is fighting to stay the World’s Fiat currency, against the BRICS Nations. The only way he can do it, is make it cheaper for their products and commodities to be sold to other Nations. Canada is finished. The West will be gone in a couple of years and the rest of the provinces will follow.
I pray that you find your father well.
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Not even you weasel.
Canada continues to be one of top 3 free countries and best places to live in the wotld.
Once you move out of your moms basement, you can move to the dictatorship down south with less freedoms
Yes, super duper free for a tyrannical government, non-citizens and criminals to do whatever the fuck they want.
You haven’t got a fucking clue what actual freedom is or means.
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This muffin mitchy shit is crazy. So simple – yet so confusing for some.
– Leafs GM offers player contract.
– Player says no.
– GM says that’s all we will be offering.
– Player still says no.
– GM asks player if he says no, please waive NMC so team can get a far superior winger to replace.
– Player (as is his right) is an immature spiteful little twat and says: I’m taking my ball and going home. Stumps away like the vagina he is. He does this even while knowing that the team he’s fucking has given him and his daddy everything they have and then some.This player chose to NOT be part of the Toronto Maple Leafs. His choice. He isn’t a Leaf anymore. Move along.
Folks talking about him at this point need to get over it (2 months after the fact). Not as bad as those crying he’s gone. Though those last types of folks come in two forms:
1. The kind of pussy who when their country is threatened roll over, put their knee pads on and prep for American orange meat vs fighting – no matter who you would’ve voted for IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY AMERICAN!
2. Deaf retards who steal peoples user names on hockey sites, beat off to posters of Mitch, challenge people to fist fights, think without Mitch leafs aren’t even a playoff team.
Note: the first kind described(#1), are almost always short little fatties that can’t play hockey and can’t hang on actual political based forums so they run to a place where people don’t give a fuck about politics so they can feel (feel, not actuality) like the smartest incel in the room…unaware that they are in fact, the only incels in the room.
#UGdriveswhitevan
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This muffin mitchy shit is crazy. So simple – yet so confusing for some.
– Leafs GM offers player contract.
– Player says no.
– GM says that’s all we will be offering.
– Player still says no.
– GM asks player if he says no, please waive NMC so team can get a far superior winger to replace.
– Player (as is his right) is an immature spiteful little twat and says: I’m taking my ball and going home. Stumps away like the vagina he is. He does this even while knowing that the team he’s fucking has given him and his daddy everything they have and then some.This player chose to NOT be part of the Toronto Maple Leafs. His choice. He isn’t a Leaf anymore. Move along.
Folks talking about him at this point need to get over it (2 months after the fact). Not as bad as those crying he’s gone. Though those last types of folks come in two forms:
1. The kind of pussy who when their country is threatened roll over, put their knee pads on and prep for American orange meat vs fighting – no matter who you would’ve voted for IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY AMERICAN!
2. Deaf retards who steal peoples user names on hockey sites, beat off to posters of Mitch, challenge people to fist fights, think without Mitch leafs aren’t even a playoff team.
Note: the first kind described(#1), are almost always short little fatties that can’t play hockey and can’t hang on actual political based forums so they run to a place where people don’t give a fuck about politics so they can feel (feel, not actuality) like the smartest incel in the room…unaware that they are in fact, the only incels in the room.
#UGdriveswhitevan
#AAtinybabyarms
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Yes, super duper free for a tyrannical government, non-citizens and criminals to do whatever the fuck they want.
You haven’t got a fucking clue what actual freedom is or means.[/quote]
You haven’t gotten a clue about most things…specially what a “tyrannical government” is (see north korea, Iran, Zimbabwe, and the US is getting close).
You are not being oppressed. You seriously need a reality check, you whinny little boy.
Last i checked, criminals cant do whatever they want…..and of course…you are afraid of non white people.Im free to do whatever I want and go wherever I want…oh my gawd I had to wear a mask for a month or so while grocery shopping…..OOHH THE HORROR!!!
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Yeah, going to retire soon. Tried twice before. The inflation nonsense pushed me back into the workforce. Just waiting on the Trump Economy to boost the investments before finally giving it up. I’ll talk to my investment agent and see if it’s smart to turn my Canadian Dollars into U.S. Dollars. Just waiting for the great U.S. devaluation that is part of the Trump economic plan. Use tariffs to bring outside industries back to America, then devalue the currency and make the U.S. products cheaper to export. It’ll take about a 1% interest rate drop to make it happen. The U.S. is fighting to stay the World’s Fiat currency, against the BRICS Nations. The only way he can do it, is make it cheaper for their products and commodities to be sold to other Nations. Canada is finished. The West will be gone in a couple of years and the rest of the provinces will follow.
I pray that you find your father well.
this whole post if quite something to read, I dont know how anyone can believe that donkey will do anything good for 99% of the people. tariffs just another way to rob people and shift all the money to the rich pockets.
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This muffin mitchy shit is crazy. So simple – yet so confusing for some.
– Leafs GM offers player contract.
– Player says no.
– GM says that’s all we will be offering.
– Player still says no.
– GM asks player if he says no, please waive NMC so team can get a far superior winger to replace.
– Player (as is his right) is an immature spiteful little twat and says: I’m taking my ball and going home. Stumps away like the vagina he is. He does this even while knowing that the team he’s fucking has given him and his daddy everything they have and then some.This player chose to NOT be part of the Toronto Maple Leafs. His choice. He isn’t a Leaf anymore. Move along.
Folks talking about him at this point need to get over it (2 months after the fact). Not as bad as those crying he’s gone. Though those last types of folks come in two forms:
1. The kind of pussy who when their country is threatened roll over, put their knee pads on and prep for American orange meat vs fighting – no matter who you would’ve voted for IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY AMERICAN!
2. Deaf retards who steal peoples user names on hockey sites, beat off to posters of Mitch, challenge people to fist fights, think without Mitch leafs aren’t even a playoff team.
Note: the first kind described(#1), are almost always short little fatties that can’t play hockey and can’t hang on actual political based forums so they run to a place where people don’t give a fuck about politics so they can feel (feel, not actuality) like the smartest incel in the room…unaware that they are in fact, the only incels in the room.
#UGdriveswhitevan
#AAtinybabyarmsgo get a bloody Caesar my man
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Leafs have $1.9m in cap space, I think the plan was to get it for TDL. But the leafs really dont really have any picks of huge value….so we’ll see how that works out.
Picks
2026 – 3rd, 5th and 6th – Yikes
2027 – 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th (2), 7th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7thThe leafs really need to keep the 2028 1st rounder to at least draft some potential higher end talent.
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This whole mess would be easier to navigate without family concerns. I have to go to the US on Thursday as my dad is not doing well
Yeah, going to retire soon. Tried twice before. The inflation nonsense pushed me back into the workforce. Just waiting on the Trump Economy to boost the investments before finally giving it up. I’ll talk to my investment agent and see if it’s smart to turn my Canadian Dollars into U.S. Dollars. Just waiting for the great U.S. devaluation that is part of the Trump economic plan. Use tariffs to bring outside industries back to America, then devalue the currency and make the U.S. products cheaper to export. It’ll take about a 1% interest rate drop to make it happen. The U.S. is fighting to stay the World’s Fiat currency, against the BRICS Nations. The only way he can do it, is make it cheaper for their products and commodities to be sold to other Nations. Canada is finished. The West will be gone in a couple of years and the rest of the provinces will follow.
I pray that you find your father well.
lol. The guy who managed to bankrupt a casino is now adding $3T in debt to a country with a debt-to-gdp ratio about to hit 150%. That’s quite the economic plan.
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lol. The guy who managed to bankrupt a casino is now adding $3T in debt to a country with a debt-to-gdp ratio about to hit 150%. That’s quite the economic plan.
oh and also, release the files
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oh and also, release the files
Unless the victims point to Bill Clinton and Bill Gates, then blame Russia, because libtards gotta libtard.
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lol. The guy who managed to bankrupt a casino is now adding $3T in debt to a country with a debt-to-gdp ratio about to hit 150%. That’s quite the economic plan.
Coming from the idiots who believe in open borders and unlimited printing of dollars to fuel government spending (stealing) who would have added 7 trillion instead.
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You haven’t gotten a clue about most things…specially what a “tyrannical government” is (see north korea, Iran, Zimbabwe, and the US is getting close).
You are not being oppressed. You seriously need a reality check, you whinny little boy.
Last i checked, criminals cant do whatever they want…..and of course…you are afraid of non white people.Im free to do whatever I want and go wherever I want…oh my gawd I had to wear a mask for a month or so while grocery shopping…..OOHH THE HORROR!!!
You are free as long as you follow the libtard world order. You got your head so far up a moose’s ass, you’re wearing antlers. CBC has destroyed your mind.
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Leafs have $1.9m in cap space, I think the plan was to get it for TDL. But the leafs really dont really have any picks of huge value….so we’ll see how that works out.
Picks
2026 – 3rd, 5th and 6th – Yikes
2027 – 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th (2), 7th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7thThe leafs really need to keep the 2028 1st rounder to at least draft some potential higher end talent.
Leafs have 2 more chances with Matthews in 2026 and 2027. The 2028 1st round pick will be a lottery pick when they trade Matthews with 1 year left on his deal.
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I see someone is off their meds today eh!⬆️
Robert Westman was days ago.
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this whole post if quite something to read, I dont know how anyone can believe that donkey will do anything good for 99% of the people. tariffs just another way to rob people and shift all the money to the rich pockets.
The proof is in the pudding. Under Biden, my portfolio only grew 3% and was eaten up by inflation. Under Trump, I’m up over 10% in the first 8 months of the Trump Administration. During his first administration, I saw returns over 10% for most of his 4 years. There was low inflation and the Biden years ate most of that up, due to inflation, hence the need to work 3 more years to try and get it back, after adjustment for inflation.
On the Trump plan to restart the economy, it’s necessary to impose tariffs to balance the trade imbalance. The U.S. has been running trade deficits for decades and it needs to stop. When you hit $37T in debt, run up from administrations going back in the late ’60’s, something needs to be done. In Canada, we have tariffs inside our own borders between provinces. You can’t even legally go into Quebec to buy alcohol without breaking the law. Our supply side management, in other words quotas, has made it expensive to buy food and commodities. There needs to be a scrapping of the quota system, to bring prices down. Canada needs to address their debt, before shelling out more money to Ukraine, or other nations that launder money for war and corruption.
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this whole post if quite something to read, I dont know how anyone can believe that donkey will do anything good for 99% of the people. tariffs just another way to rob people and shift all the money to the rich pockets.
The proof is in the pudding. Under Biden, my portfolio only grew 3% and was eaten up by inflation. Under Trump, I’m up over 10% in the first 8 months of the Trump Administration. During his first administration, I saw returns over 10% for most of his 4 years. There was low inflation and the Biden years ate most of that up, due to inflation, hence the need to work 3 more years to try and get it back, after adjustment for inflation.
On the Trump plan to restart the economy, it’s necessary to impose tariffs to balance the trade imbalance. The U.S. has been running trade deficits for decades and it needs to stop. When you hit $37T in debt, run up from administrations going back in the late ’60’s, something needs to be done. In Canada, we have tariffs inside our own borders between provinces. You can’t even legally go into Quebec to buy alcohol without breaking the law. Our supply side management, in other words quotas, has made it expensive to buy food and commodities. There needs to be a scrapping of the quota system, to bring prices down. Canada needs to address their debt, before shelling out more money to Ukraine, or other nations that launder money for war and corruption.
Don’t forget the 50+% tariff the Canadian government puts on income.
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go get a bloody Caesar my man
More of a Meth guy. I try not to let it bother me, but when UG and AA come in here and absolutely sandblast my Vag it kinda hurts you know.[/quote]
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Im free to do whatever I want and go wherever I want…oh my gawd I had to wear a mask for a month or so while grocery shopping…..OOHH THE HORROR!!!
You are free as long as you follow the libtard world order. You got your head so far up a moose’s ass, you’re wearing antlers. CBC has destroyed your mind.[/quote]
Oh boy…you and your weaked minded politic affiliations. But if you want to go down that road… the cons are currently trying to ban books and restrict womens rights….I know that doesnt affect you cause you dont read and want to control women, but try thinking of others. Most of the rights you have now were brought in by “libtards”. Canada is one of the freest countries in world, top 5 in the world, 2nd most educated as well (with your kind being some exceptions). But I get it, facts dont matter to you.
But seriously, you simply arent restricted, so quit whining.
No country is perfect, never will be, always room to improve.Anywho, your ignorant, racist, lack of free thought foolishness bores me now. Im gonna stop replying to your nonsense.
Back to hockey, Jays…heck anyone watching Dexter Resurrection?
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The proof is in the pudding. Under Biden, my portfolio only grew 3% and was eaten up by inflation. Under Trump, I’m up over 10% in the first 8 months of the Trump Administration. During his first administration, I saw returns over 10% for most of his 4 years. There was low inflation and the Biden years ate most of that up, due to inflation, hence the need to work 3 more years to try and get it back, after adjustment for inflation.
On the Trump plan to restart the economy, it’s necessary to impose tariffs to balance the trade imbalance. The U.S. has been running trade deficits for decades and it needs to stop. When you hit $37T in debt, run up from administrations going back in the late ’60’s, something needs to be done. In Canada, we have tariffs inside our own borders between provinces. You can’t even legally go into Quebec to buy alcohol without breaking the law. Our supply side management, in other words quotas, has made it expensive to buy food and commodities. There needs to be a scrapping of the quota system, to bring prices down. Canada needs to address their debt, before shelling out more money to Ukraine, or other nations that launder money for war and corruption.[/quote]
Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this
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The proof is in the pudding. Under Biden, my portfolio only grew 3% and was eaten up by inflation. Under Trump, I’m up over 10% in the first 8 months of the Trump Administration. During his first administration, I saw returns over 10% for most of his 4 years. There was low inflation and the Biden years ate most of that up, due to inflation, hence the need to work 3 more years to try and get it back, after adjustment for inflation.
On the Trump plan to restart the economy, it’s necessary to impose tariffs to balance the trade imbalance. The U.S. has been running trade deficits for decades and it needs to stop. When you hit $37T in debt, run up from administrations going back in the late ’60’s, something needs to be done. In Canada, we have tariffs inside our own borders between provinces. You can’t even legally go into Quebec to buy alcohol without breaking the law. Our supply side management, in other words quotas, has made it expensive to buy food and commodities. There needs to be a scrapping of the quota system, to bring prices down. Canada needs to address their debt, before shelling out more money to Ukraine, or other nations that launder money for war and corruption.
Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this[/quote]
Love the Donald. None of that has any relevance to peeps retirement plans growing very well under the Donald. if the Donald was a demo you would be sucking his root I bet. TDS is real, a worldwide sickness.God bless America.
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Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this[/quote]
Love the Donald. None of that has any relevance to peeps retirement plans growing very well under the Donald. if the Donald was a demo you would be sucking his root I bet. TDS is real, a worldwide sickness.God bless America.[/quote]
For good people, those matter, maybe not for pieces of shit.
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Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this
Love the Donald. None of that has any relevance to peeps retirement plans growing very well under the Donald. if the Donald was a demo you would be sucking his root I bet. TDS is real, a worldwide sickness.
God bless America.[/quote]
For good people, those matter, maybe not for pieces of shit.[/quote]
good people care about their pocketbooks holmes. good people reaping the benefits of the Donald so far. Embrace it. -
Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this
Love the Donald. None of that has any relevance to peeps retirement plans growing very well under the Donald. if the Donald was a demo you would be sucking his root I bet. TDS is real, a worldwide sickness.
God bless America.
For good people, those matter, maybe not for pieces of shit.[/quote]
good people care about their pocketbooks holmes. good people reaping the benefits of the Donald so far. Embrace it.[/quote]Unemployment claims rising, GDP growth shrinking and inflation growing and expected to grow even faster. You mean reaping those benefits?
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Oh, good, this is turning into politics hot stove. Guess I’ll check back in a few days…
You’re right, we should stick to nonsensical trade proposals
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Politics destroyed the last place – it will destroy this place.
All the site admins or people that started it up need to do?…
KEEP THE HOCKEY SITE A HOCKEY SITE
All these muppets on here talking politics is cause they’re too fucking dumb to give an actual political forum and chirp – cause they would get embarrassed. So they come here where majority doesn’t give a fuck, and find the other retards to talk political gayness with. I miss GalacticStoner posting non stop homo-erotic gifs whenever these pussies started queefing. It was perfect.
AA – still not enough sac to post under your own name? Still using mine and someone else’s? You absolute pussy cuck fuck. Do you and UG take turns pitching/catching? I feel like he’s the catcher most nights eh? Seems the softer of the two of you – both pussies though. Like Willy vs Mitch. Both pussies and you really only need one.
US Politics:
Biden – old degenerate pedo
Trump – old (clearly ill) degenerate pedo.Canadian Politics:
Trudeau – colourful sock wearing puff. Ruined Canada.
Carney – dirty lying old prick who’s barely lived in Canada.There ya go. It’s that easy. Now move on.
USA USA USA!!!!
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Oh boy…you and your weaked minded politic affiliations.
Says the woke libtard stuck in a cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy with a mentally crippling case of TDS.
But if you want to go down that road… the cons are currently trying to ban books and restrict womens rights….
Wrong again. The only “banned books” are ones showing explicit pornographic material to children. Drag shows for kids? You support it. Go buy the book called Gender Queer and shut the fuck up about the topic until you know what they’re actually pushing on minors. Or convincing them to cut their sex organs off, chemically castrating them and lying to them that it’s reversible calling it “gender affirming care”. Until they shoot up a church because they regret their decision and the adults in the world were too busy “affirming” their delusions. Just as the UK has roaming bands of rape gangs, arresting people for protesting with the English flag, and arresting comedians for jokes and opinions on Twitter, Canada is not far behind doing the same. Women’s “right” to kill babies with late term abortions? Or maybe just leaving it up to each state to decide with their democratically elected state government. You love “democracy” except when people vote against you, then they become “fascists”.
Most of the rights you have now were brought in by “libtards”.
Wrong again. The “rights” in the USA are given to the people, by the people, of the people were written by men whom you’d consider ultra mega super duper conservative. Those rights were considered inalienable rights given to the people by God. They were liberals of their time, nearly 300 years ago, but the liberals of today are nowhere near that. The people who think they are liberals today have been infiltrated by Marxist ideology (usually disguised under different names such as “Liberal”) and are too stupid to realize it. Canada never got the rights and freedoms Americans earned themselves by kicking out the British. Canada was too happy being the bitch of the British and are still happy to bend the knee to the UK.
The 90s liberal democrat policies and views (Trump) is now routinely called fascist. The “progressive” socialist communist libtards are running the liberal parties and morons like you who are supporting this woke cult who demand successful people be pillaged to pay for everything they want. Socialism only works until you run out of somebody else’s money. Your idiot “liberal” party is liberal in name only. They don’t give a fuck about freedom of speech, liberty, property rights or individual rights. They only care about open borders and the rights of repeat offenders. They just use you idiots like pawns, infected with a mind virus to keep a grip on power to sink their cult mentality deeper into institutions.
Canada is one of the freest countries in world, top 5 in the world, 2nd most educated as well (with your kind being some exceptions).
No freedom of speech, no freedom to bare arms, no freedom to defend yourself in your own home, no freedom to protest, no freedom to defend your own property and one of the most taxed (with threat of force and imprisonment) countries in the world. Absolutely not among the freest countries in the world, especially during “emergencies” when the government wipes it’s ass with the charter of “rights and freedoms”, tells you to stay locked in your home, wear three masks and coercing citizens to take an experimental gene therapy multiple times with proof of it or you can’t travel freely. The only “education” you have is brain washing from a state sponsored media and an education system that indoctrinates entire generations of useful idiots while they flood the country with open borders to keep hiding the failing economy and a collapsing fertility rate.
But I get it, facts dont matter to you.
If facts mattered to you, you would have left the left a long, long time ago. But you’re a dipshit. A total sheep. You’re the same as the blind Leafs fan who thinks every year the Leafs will win the Cup and every move they make is genius. Because you’re in a cult and you’re completely unaware of it.
But seriously, you simply arent restricted, so quit whining.
Go try buy a gun to defend yourself. Good luck. Police will tell you “just comply” with criminals. Leave your keys at the door. Just wait to get robbed. And if you defend yourself, you’re the one charged while the criminals go out on bail again and again and again and again. Go tell the countless victims of crime to stop whining at the funerals of their loved ones. Go tell them how unrestricted they are.
No country is perfect, never will be, always room to improve.
Canada has been broken by a band of idiots. It’s not about “not being perfect”. It’s about the ship sinking and people stealing everything they can get before it finally sinks.
Anywho, your ignorant, racist, lack of free thought foolishness bores me now.
Incorrect again, absolutely nobody here is racist, that’s just another lazy, dumbass thing libtards say when they haven’t got anything to actually respond with.
Im gonna stop replying to your nonsense.
Good decision, you can’t handle the truth anyway.
My gender identity is Factually Correct and if you deny that, you’re a bigot.
Back to hockey, Jays…heck anyone watching Dexter Resurrection?
Good, stick to hockey, you’re less of an idiot on that topic.
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Orangerapist facts:
– 34 felony convictions
– 91 criminal charges
– 4 indictments
– 2 impeachments
– he pleaded the 5th 97 times – innocent people dont do that
– 26 sexual assault allegations – much more if the E files get released.
– 6 bankruptcies
– 5 Draft deferments
– $25million Trump Uni fraud
– $400 million + fraud judgement
– $93 million in abuse judgementsBut you all knew this
These are only facts to CNN and Rosie O’Donnell, which is as mathematically true as 2+2=5.
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Oh boy…you and your weaked minded politic affiliations.
Says the woke libtard stuck in a cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy with a mentally crippling case of TDS.
But if you want to go down that road… the cons are currently trying to ban books and restrict womens rights….
Wrong again. The only “banned books” are ones showing explicit pornographic material to children. Drag shows for kids? You support it. Go buy the book called Gender Queer and shut the fuck up about the topic until you know what they’re actually pushing on minors. Or convincing them to cut their sex organs off, chemically castrating them and lying to them that it’s reversible calling it “gender affirming care”. Until they shoot up a church because they regret their decision and the adults in the world were too busy “affirming” their delusions. Just as the UK has roaming bands of rape gangs, arresting people for protesting with the English flag, and arresting comedians for jokes and opinions on Twitter, Canada is not far behind doing the same. Women’s “right” to kill babies with late term abortions? Or maybe just leaving it up to each state to decide with their democratically elected state government. You love “democracy” except when people vote against you, then they become “fascists”.
Most of the rights you have now were brought in by “libtards”.
Wrong again. The “rights” in the USA are given to the people, by the people, of the people were written by men whom you’d consider ultra mega super duper conservative. Those rights were considered inalienable rights given to the people by God. They were liberals of their time, nearly 300 years ago, but the liberals of today are nowhere near that. The people who think they are liberals today have been infiltrated by Marxist ideology (usually disguised under different names such as “Liberal”) and are too stupid to realize it. Canada never got the rights and freedoms Americans earned themselves by kicking out the British. Canada was too happy being the bitch of the British and are still happy to bend the knee to the UK.
The 90s liberal democrat policies and views (Trump) is now routinely called fascist. The “progressive” socialist communist libtards are running the liberal parties and morons like you who are supporting this woke cult who demand successful people be pillaged to pay for everything they want. Socialism only works until you run out of somebody else’s money. Your idiot “liberal” party is liberal in name only. They don’t give a fuck about freedom of speech, liberty, property rights or individual rights. They only care about open borders and the rights of repeat offenders. They just use you idiots like pawns, infected with a mind virus to keep a grip on power to sink their cult mentality deeper into institutions.
Canada is one of the freest countries in world, top 5 in the world, 2nd most educated as well (with your kind being some exceptions).
No freedom of speech, no freedom to bare arms, no freedom to defend yourself in your own home, no freedom to protest, no freedom to defend your own property and one of the most taxed (with threat of force and imprisonment) countries in the world. Absolutely not among the freest countries in the world, especially during “emergencies” when the government wipes it’s ass with the charter of “rights and freedoms”, tells you to stay locked in your home, wear three masks and coercing citizens to take an experimental gene therapy multiple times with proof of it or you can’t travel freely. The only “education” you have is brain washing from a state sponsored media and an education system that indoctrinates entire generations of useful idiots while they flood the country with open borders to keep hiding the failing economy and a collapsing fertility rate.
But I get it, facts dont matter to you.
If facts mattered to you, you would have left the left a long, long time ago. But you’re a dipshit. A total sheep. You’re the same as the blind Leafs fan who thinks every year the Leafs will win the Cup and every move they make is genius. Because you’re in a cult and you’re completely unaware of it.
But seriously, you simply arent restricted, so quit whining.
Go try buy a gun to defend yourself. Good luck. Police will tell you “just comply” with criminals. Leave your keys at the door. Just wait to get robbed. And if you defend yourself, you’re the one charged while the criminals go out on bail again and again and again and again. Go tell the countless victims of crime to stop whining at the funerals of their loved ones. Go tell them how unrestricted they are.
No country is perfect, never will be, always room to improve.
Canada has been broken by a band of idiots. It’s not about “not being perfect”. It’s about the ship sinking and people stealing everything they can get before it finally sinks.
Anywho, your ignorant, racist, lack of free thought foolishness bores me now.
Incorrect again, absolutely nobody here is racist, that’s just another lazy, dumbass thing libtards say when they haven’t got anything to actually respond with.
Im gonna stop replying to your nonsense.
Good decision, you can’t handle the truth anyway.
My gender identity is Factually Correct and if you deny that, you’re a bigot.
Back to hockey, Jays…heck anyone watching Dexter Resurrection?
Good, stick to hockey, you’re less of an idiot on that topic.
There a SO MANY things wrong in this post.
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if you can see what’s wrong, then look again.
you made the statement back it up.
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if you can see what’s wrong, then look again.
you made the statement back it up.
why don’t you point out what correct?
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Oh boy…you and your weaked minded politic affiliations.
Says the woke libtard stuck in a cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy with a mentally crippling case of TDS.
But if you want to go down that road… the cons are currently trying to ban books and restrict womens rights….
Wrong again. The only “banned books” are ones showing explicit pornographic material to children. Drag shows for kids? You support it. Go buy the book called Gender Queer and shut the fuck up about the topic until you know what they’re actually pushing on minors. Or convincing them to cut their sex organs off, chemically castrating them and lying to them that it’s reversible calling it “gender affirming care”. Until they shoot up a church because they regret their decision and the adults in the world were too busy “affirming” their delusions. Just as the UK has roaming bands of rape gangs, arresting people for protesting with the English flag, and arresting comedians for jokes and opinions on Twitter, Canada is not far behind doing the same. Women’s “right” to kill babies with late term abortions? Or maybe just leaving it up to each state to decide with their democratically elected state government. You love “democracy” except when people vote against you, then they become “fascists”.
Most of the rights you have now were brought in by “libtards”.
Wrong again. The “rights” in the USA are given to the people, by the people, of the people were written by men whom you’d consider ultra mega super duper conservative. Those rights were considered inalienable rights given to the people by God. They were liberals of their time, nearly 300 years ago, but the liberals of today are nowhere near that. The people who think they are liberals today have been infiltrated by Marxist ideology (usually disguised under different names such as “Liberal”) and are too stupid to realize it. Canada never got the rights and freedoms Americans earned themselves by kicking out the British. Canada was too happy being the bitch of the British and are still happy to bend the knee to the UK.
The 90s liberal democrat policies and views (Trump) is now routinely called fascist. The “progressive” socialist communist libtards are running the liberal parties and morons like you who are supporting this woke cult who demand successful people be pillaged to pay for everything they want. Socialism only works until you run out of somebody else’s money. Your idiot “liberal” party is liberal in name only. They don’t give a fuck about freedom of speech, liberty, property rights or individual rights. They only care about open borders and the rights of repeat offenders. They just use you idiots like pawns, infected with a mind virus to keep a grip on power to sink their cult mentality deeper into institutions.
Canada is one of the freest countries in world, top 5 in the world, 2nd most educated as well (with your kind being some exceptions).
No freedom of speech, no freedom to bare arms, no freedom to defend yourself in your own home, no freedom to protest, no freedom to defend your own property and one of the most taxed (with threat of force and imprisonment) countries in the world. Absolutely not among the freest countries in the world, especially during “emergencies” when the government wipes it’s ass with the charter of “rights and freedoms”, tells you to stay locked in your home, wear three masks and coercing citizens to take an experimental gene therapy multiple times with proof of it or you can’t travel freely. The only “education” you have is brain washing from a state sponsored media and an education system that indoctrinates entire generations of useful idiots while they flood the country with open borders to keep hiding the failing economy and a collapsing fertility rate.
But I get it, facts dont matter to you.
If facts mattered to you, you would have left the left a long, long time ago. But you’re a dipshit. A total sheep. You’re the same as the blind Leafs fan who thinks every year the Leafs will win the Cup and every move they make is genius. Because you’re in a cult and you’re completely unaware of it.
But seriously, you simply arent restricted, so quit whining.
Go try buy a gun to defend yourself. Good luck. Police will tell you “just comply” with criminals. Leave your keys at the door. Just wait to get robbed. And if you defend yourself, you’re the one charged while the criminals go out on bail again and again and again and again. Go tell the countless victims of crime to stop whining at the funerals of their loved ones. Go tell them how unrestricted they are.
No country is perfect, never will be, always room to improve.
Canada has been broken by a band of idiots. It’s not about “not being perfect”. It’s about the ship sinking and people stealing everything they can get before it finally sinks.
Anywho, your ignorant, racist, lack of free thought foolishness bores me now.
Incorrect again, absolutely nobody here is racist, that’s just another lazy, dumbass thing libtards say when they haven’t got anything to actually respond with.
Im gonna stop replying to your nonsense.
Good decision, you can’t handle the truth anyway.
My gender identity is Factually Correct and if you deny that, you’re a bigot.
Back to hockey, Jays…heck anyone watching Dexter Resurrection?
Good, stick to hockey, you’re less of an idiot on that topic.
Tell me youre lost, lonely and angry without telling me youre lost, lonely, and angry.
Poor little white kid.
So much nonsense in your reply.
Trans kids/adults arent the ones committing 99% of the crimes or any shootings. Mostly white guys.
The original bible promotes horrible acts, but it doesnt get banned. And its not just books that show pornagraphic material…cause then playboy would be banned. It was also Handmaids tale, 1984, the color purple. They would have had to have been removed to comply with the now paused book ban. Censorship…trying to take away freedoms seems like. Again, youre fear baiting.
Trump is a fascist…or trying to be. You’re too stupid to see it
We have freedom of speech….but freedom of speech doesnt mean there are no consequences.
You have freedom to protest peacefully. The freedumb truckers werent peaceful and were funded by interest outside of Canada. They were unruly, causing disturbance, aggressive to locals.
You are free defend yourself, we have self defense laws, law 34 was amended in 2013 by Harper…supported by little PP….the same law that he is click baiting now about.
Ive never needed a gun to defend myself, Ive never known anyone who has….again you’re fear mongering …more click bait
Yes, during a world wide pandemic you were asked to not go out as much until the health organizations got a handle on what it was. Then for 3 months of your life you were asked to wear a mask when you went out. Then you were asked to get vaccinated…it wasnt experimental….it was tested properly and went through all effectiveness requirements and clinical trials. It was completed quickly, because you had minds from all over the world working on it and together in some cases. Again, you are making up more BS.
Canada isnt broken…..you are.
You’re a broken little angry boy blaming others for your failings and everything you deem wrong in the world that you cannot control. You’re desperately trying to be part of some group, you were probably rejected by most sensible ones. But you found one, already full of like minded idiots, so youre regurgitating all their nonsense, which is just clickbait BS.
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Tell me youre lost, lonely and angry without telling me youre lost, lonely, and angry.
Poor little white kid.
So much nonsense in your reply.
Trans kids/adults arent the ones committing 99% of the crimes or any shootings. Mostly white guys.
The original bible promotes horrible acts, but it doesnt get banned. And its not just books that show pornagraphic material…cause then playboy would be banned. It was also Handmaids tale, 1984, the color purple. They would have had to have been removed to comply with the now paused book ban. Censorship…trying to take away freedoms seems like. Again, youre fear baiting.
Trump is a fascist…or trying to be. You’re too stupid to see it
We have freedom of speech….but freedom of speech doesnt mean there are no consequences.
You have freedom to protest peacefully. The freedumb truckers werent peaceful and were funded by interest outside of Canada. They were unruly, causing disturbance, aggressive to locals.
You are free defend yourself, we have self defense laws, law 34 was amended in 2013 by Harper…supported by little PP….the same law that he is click baiting now about.
Ive never needed a gun to defend myself, Ive never known anyone who has….again you’re fear mongering …more click bait
Yes, during a world wide pandemic you were asked to not go out as much until the health organizations got a handle on what it was. Then for 3 months of your life you were asked to wear a mask when you went out. Then you were asked to get vaccinated…it wasnt experimental….it was tested properly and went through all effectiveness requirements and clinical trials. It was completed quickly, because you had minds from all over the world working on it and together in some cases. Again, you are making up more BS.
Canada isnt broken…..you are.
You’re a broken little angry boy blaming others for your failings and everything you deem wrong in the world that you cannot control. You’re desperately trying to be part of some group, you were probably rejected by most sensible ones. But you found one, already full of like minded idiots, so youre regurgitating all their nonsense, which is just clickbait BS.
SadYou’re completely libtarded. 100% sheep.
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Ken Dryden has died.
R.I.P.
That’s the first thing my wife asked/told me when I got up this morning.
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Ken Dryden has died.
R.I.P.
Always sad to see someone go the way he did, at least he was at home.
R.I.P. Ken Dryden
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Ken Dryden has died.
R.I.P.
Always sad to see someone go the way he did, at least he was at home.
R.I.P. Ken Dryden
Ken Dryden had the stones to at least deal with the Maple Leaf Gardens sex scandal case. He made sure that the perverts coercing the teenagers with free hockey tickets, then sexually assaulting them, came to light. For that, he has my utmost respect.
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Ken Dryden had the stones to at least deal with the Maple Leaf Gardens sex scandal case. He made sure that the perverts coercing the teenagers with free hockey tickets, then sexually assaulting them, came to light. For that, he has my utmost respect.
He was absolutely, 100%, a good man who was never afraid to do the right thing. A fully agree with you on this. He has my respect as well.
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Ken Dryden has died.
R.I.P.
RIP and respect to the last Leafs executive / president that wasn’t retarded.
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Ken Dryden has died.
R.I.P.
I did an interview with him about 30 years ago, he was a nice guy.
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Seeing all the quotes from Knies the other day, what a fuckin beauty. Guy is going to be a Leaf legend. We need more guys like him.
He is a beauty!
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Seeing all the quotes from Knies the other day, what a fuckin beauty. Guy is going to be a Leaf legend. We need more guys like him.
Quotes don’t win Cups. Leafs have always had the talk, they need the walk.
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Seeing all the quotes from Knies the other day, what a fuckin beauty. Guy is going to be a Leaf legend. We need more guys like him.
Yeah I’m loving the guy too, I have a very good feeling about him this year
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Quotes don’t win Cups. Leafs have always had the talk, they need the walk.
they got the Walk from Marner
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The Leafs rookies’ will play the Habs and Sens rookies this weekend.
Is there anywhere to watch this, Thai Guy?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/9dkyfm/leafs_rookie_tournament_tv_stream_info/?rdt=33688
this should https but I’m having an issue posting the link to view the weekend games.
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The Leafs rookies’ will play the Habs and Sens rookies this weekend.
Is there anywhere to watch this, Thai Guy?
http://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/9dkyfm/leafs_rookie_tournament_tv_stream_info/?rdt=33688
this should https but I’m having an issue posting the link to view the weekend games.
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thats a lotta chedda
who is going to pay more than that?
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources say #mnwild superstar Kirill Kaprizov’s camp turned down an extension offer believed to be 8-years, $128 million in a meeting on Tuesday in Minnesota that would have made him the highest-paid player in #NHL history in both AAV ($16 million) and total dollars.i guess he could opt for a short deal now to get a bigger payday when the cap rises a bunch.
what does Mcdavid get then?
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thats a lotta chedda
who is going to pay more than that?
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources say #mnwild superstar Kirill Kaprizov’s camp turned down an extension offer believed to be 8-years, $128 million in a meeting on Tuesday in Minnesota that would have made him the highest-paid player in #NHL history in both AAV ($16 million) and total dollars.i guess he could opt for a short deal now to get a bigger payday when the cap rises a bunch.
what does Mcdavid get then?
$17M per from Toronto but with Canadian Tire ponying up an extra 5M per year to advertise for them.
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thats a lotta chedda
who is going to pay more than that?
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources say #mnwild superstar Kirill Kaprizov’s camp turned down an extension offer believed to be 8-years, $128 million in a meeting on Tuesday in Minnesota that would have made him the highest-paid player in #NHL history in both AAV ($16 million) and total dollars.i guess he could opt for a short deal now to get a bigger payday when the cap rises a bunch.
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Apparently Kaprisov’s camp may have turned down the minnie deal because they believe a bigger offer is out there from another team.
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Apparently Kaprisov’s camp may have turned down the minnie deal because they believe a bigger offer is out there from another team.
According to EF.I can’t believe he turned down that offer. Does he just not want to be there.
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Flower back in Pittsburg!
Yup! To end his career where it started.
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Flower back in Pittsburg!
Yup! To end his career where it started.
Says its a PTO just for the pre season. I bet it turns into a contract and hes between the pipes on opening night.
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I’ve known Cowan’s aunt since highschool, used to hang out in her place then, so I’m hoping that Brydges boy makes the leafs this year. Tbh I sincerely don’t mind the idea of him taking Marner’s spot, is he the same player? No, but he’ll fit Berube’s style a bit better now that his skating has improved notably. That and if anyone tries to fuck with that rookie the 230lb Knies will just eat them alive lol
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I’ve known Cowan’s aunt since highschool, used to hang out in her place then, so I’m hoping that Brydges boy makes the leafs this year. Tbh I sincerely don’t mind the idea of him taking Marner’s spot, is he the same player? No, but he’ll fit Berube’s style a bit better now that his skating has improved notably. That and if anyone tries to fuck with that rookie the 230lb Knies will just eat them alive lol
Yeah because Berube’s “style” is replace elite playmakers and Selke candidates with undersized rookies.
That’s exactly what he did in St. Louis. When Berube took over the Blues, ROR and Tarasenko got traded immediately and then Thomas and Kyrou became 1st liners.
Then they won 5 Cups in a row.
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I’ve known Cowan’s aunt since highschool, used to hang out in her place then, so I’m hoping that Brydges boy makes the leafs this year. Tbh I sincerely don’t mind the idea of him taking Marner’s spot, is he the same player? No, but he’ll fit Berube’s style a bit better now that his skating has improved notably. That and if anyone tries to fuck with that rookie the 230lb Knies will just eat them alive lol
Yeah because Berube’s “style” is replace elite playmakers and Selke candidates with undersized rookies.
That’s exactly what he did in St. Louis. When Berube took over the Blues, ROR and Tarasenko got traded immediately and then Thomas and Kyrou became 1st liners.
Then they won 5 Cups in a row.
I thought it was 6 Cups in a row dude. #AMIRIGHT!!! Your memory is a little foggy.
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I just read that Robert Redford passed away @ the age of 89.
RIP Bobby. ????
That is sad, RIP Redford
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I thought it was 6 Cups in a row dude. #AMIRIGHT!!! Your memory is a little foggy.
Besides the elite playmakers and Selke candidates no longer want to play for this team.
Now go find players that do.Well at least he made a point of bringing up how a potential rookie who’s nearly 6’ and weighs 190lbs is so notably undersized that it’s worth mentioning. He truly hits the important info.
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I thought it was 6 Cups in a row dude. #AMIRIGHT!!! Your memory is a little foggy.
Besides the elite playmakers and Selke candidates no longer want to play for this team.
Now go find players that do.False. That only happens after the franchise, the media and the fans pushed him out the door.
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Well at least he made a point of bringing up how a potential rookie who’s nearly 6’ and weighs 190lbs is so notably undersized that it’s worth mentioning. He truly hits the important info.
“Nearly” 6′ is an adorable way to put it. By NHL standards, he’s undersized, both height and weight. As a rookie, he’s going to get pushed and thrown around a lot, especially by defenders. If his offensive game isn’t dangerous enough to be a legitimate threat, he’ll be like Robertson, thrown to the bottom of the line-up.
Cowan is a long term project, with the number of wingers they added and the pylons they still have, it would be a massive mistake to waste a year of his ELC, the same way they have previously made that mistake in the past.
Knies | Matthews | Domi
Joshua | Tavares | Nylander
McMann | Roy | MaccelliNone of those guys are going anywhere. They’re pretty much locked into the line-up and probably the top-nine unless there is a trade. And if there was a trade, it’d probably be McMann but nobody else there is getting moved.
Then, the rest.
Lorentz | Laughton | Jarnkrok
Robertson | Kampf | PezzettaAnother 6 guys who are all way ahead of Cowan in the bottom-six role, except Robertson but he’s got experience and a way better NHL level shot. Even if Jarnkrok and Kampf get traded for nothing in return, there are still 4 guys ahead of Cowan. And the rumors of that useless piece of shit Roslovic being signed too to fill back up one spot.
Then, in terms of other UFA options, McLeod, Dube and Formenton are all proven NHL players who could be signed for dirt cheap. All 3 bring skills the Leafs could use; McLeod excellent at FOs, solid 3C option, Formenton is a speedster, scoring threat with PK ability and Dube provides top-six ability and PP skills with a previous connection to Treliving. All 3 are in their prime and bring more to a playoff team (including a chip on their shoulder) than Cowan.
Knies | Matthews | Domi
Joshua | Tavares | Nylander
Roy | McLeod | Maccelli
Formenton | Laughton | Lorentz
PezzettaTrade: McMann, Robertson, Kampf and Jarnkrok
OEL | Tanev
Rielly | Carlo
McCabe | Foote
BenoitWoll | Stolarz
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Carter Hart close to NHL return, but it wont be with the Flyers, per EK
nor will he sign with a Canadian team.
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“Nearly” 6′ is an adorable way to put it. By NHL standards, he’s undersized, both height and weight. As a rookie, he’s going to get pushed and thrown around a lot, especially by defenders. If his offensive game isn’t dangerous enough to be a legitimate threat, he’ll be like Robertson, thrown to the bottom of the line-up.
Cowan is a long term project, with the number of wingers they added and the pylons they still have, it would be a massive mistake to waste a year of his ELC, the same way they have previously made that mistake in the past.
Knies | Matthews | Domi
Joshua | Tavares | Nylander
McMann | Roy | MaccelliNone of those guys are going anywhere. They’re pretty much locked into the line-up and probably the top-nine unless there is a trade. And if there was a trade, it’d probably be McMann but nobody else there is getting moved.
Then, the rest.
Lorentz | Laughton | Jarnkrok
Robertson | Kampf | PezzettaAnother 6 guys who are all way ahead of Cowan in the bottom-six role, except Robertson but he’s got experience and a way better NHL level shot. Even if Jarnkrok and Kampf get traded for nothing in return, there are still 4 guys ahead of Cowan. And the rumors of that useless piece of shit Roslovic being signed too to fill back up one spot.
Ok UG I truly get what you’re saying and I do mostly agree with you but I am also willing to believe that Domi can be “outplayed” in camp so to speak, hence why I’ll leave a little window open for the “kid” and here’s why.
The “kid” isn’t 18 anymore, he’s 20, and he’s made a very very very notable development in size and strength this past year. Please keep that in mind. However if he can’t be used in a top 6 roll yes agreed send him down. Also, do you put a rookie with JT and Nylander when they’re so defensively questionable? A big ass NO so that means unless Cowan can take Marner’s old spot he goes down to the Marlies as you’re saying.
So please keep in mind that’s all I’m suggesting, he has 1 spot out of 12 forward spots he can earn and it’s top line so he will need to have a fantastic camp/preseason to earn it.
The Leafs have a strong backend and Knies and Matthews are very stable defensively (I know they aren’t Marner but please understand that’s not the argument I’m trying to make) and Knies is also the type who would crush anyone overstepping anyone who fucked with a rookie on his line.
So the only real reason I think that could work is that unlike Marner he could be on a line 1 that has two very good wingers instead of one great one and one iffy one like Marner had to play with other than time to time. As I said tho, the kid will need to have a hell of a camp with essentially zero question marks to earn his chance.
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Ok UG I truly get what you’re saying and I do mostly agree with you but I am also willing to believe that Domi can be “outplayed” in camp so to speak, hence why I’ll leave a little window open for the “kid” and here’s why.
I get what you’re saying too but it doesn’t add up and here’s why.
The “kid” isn’t 18 anymore, he’s 20, and he’s made a very very very notable development in size and strength this past year. Please keep that in mind. However if he can’t be used in a top 6 roll yes agreed send him down. Also, do you put a rookie with JT and Nylander when they’re so defensively questionable? A big ass NO so that means unless Cowan can take Marner’s old spot he goes down to the Marlies as you’re saying.
20 is still kid territory on this team. This is a playoff team, desperate for playoff success and Cowan has ZERO NHL games under his belt. There isn’t only a size and strength issue, there is also the issue of having to play demanding minutes. Playing on the 1st line requires elite timing, skating and most overlooked, stamina. Playing 20+ minutes a night is hard enough as it is, imagine versus the best of the best, every, single game. As motivated as he might be, that grind doesn’t usually end well for 20 year old rookies after 82 games. Then imagine the playoffs on top of all that.
So please keep in mind that’s all I’m suggesting, he has 1 spot out of 12 forward spots he can earn and it’s top line so he will need to have a fantastic camp/preseason to earn it.
He earned an opportunity but that opportunity is to get a taste of what it takes. It’s not a real opportunity. He’s already been pushed to the outside of the line-up with the summer of additions and not enough subtractions.
The Leafs have a strong backend and Knies and Matthews are very stable defensively (I know they aren’t Marner but please understand that’s not the argument I’m trying to make) and Knies is also the type who would crush anyone overstepping anyone who fucked with a rookie on his line.
The Leafs do not have a strong backend. They have old bones, not enough RHD and a garbage Rielly.
So the only real reason I think that could work is that unlike Marner he could be on a line 1 that has two very good wingers instead of one great one and one iffy one like Marner had to play with other than time to time. As I said tho, the kid will need to have a hell of a camp with essentially zero question marks to earn his chance.
There are more than half a dozen question marks. Height, weight, strength, stamina, offensive skill and lack of experience plus too many other players under contract. I think Cowan is better off being with the Marlies and being called up for the playoffs. That’s when a timely hot stretch of 2-4 weeks could prove to be when he’s most useful, not for the marathon that is 82 NHL games. He got his OHL fame mostly for being a playoff performer so that’s probably when the Leafs would be best to use him because it’s also when they need the most help. I’d rather have Cowan spring-loaded than worn out for the playoffs.
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Carter Hart close to NHL return, but it wont be with the Flyers, per EK
nor will he sign with a Canadian team.
I wouldnt count Edmonton out on this one.
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nor will he sign with a Canadian team.
I wouldnt count Edmonton out on this one.
Ive read a few articles that say he’s not interested in playing for a Canadian because of the sex scandal
I don’t blame him. Most of the Canadian teams are in woketarded markets. But, Edmonton gives him the best chance to compete for the #1 job and win a Cup while being the least shitty place in Canada to live, minus the harsh winter.
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nor will he sign with a Canadian team.
I wouldnt count Edmonton out on this one.
Ive read a few articles that say he’s not interested in playing for a Canadian because of the sex scandal
There is also this from Dreger-
Ex-Calgary Flame Dillon Dubé could be a potential top-six option for the Maple Leafs this fall. Dubé and former New Jersey Devil Michael McLeod “are not going to have any problems finding homes, NHL homes.”
“I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Treliving and the Toronto Maple Leafs put their hat in the ring and take a decent swing at Dillon Dubé.”
There’s history there, of course. It goes back to the Calgary days between Dubé and Brad Treliving.
“It doesn’t mean that Toronto is a frontrunner. It doesn’t mean that the Maple Leafs are going to land Dillon Dubé. But I mentioned earlier about their want for a top-six forward. The assumption is that a player like that could come in and fill that role.”
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nor will he sign with a Canadian team.
I wouldnt count Edmonton out on this one.
Ive read a few articles that say he’s not interested in playing for a Canadian because of the sex scandal
There is also this from Dreger-
Ex-Calgary Flame Dillon Dubé could be a potential top-six option for the Maple Leafs this fall. Dubé and former New Jersey Devil Michael McLeod “are not going to have any problems finding homes, NHL homes.”
“I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Treliving and the Toronto Maple Leafs put their hat in the ring and take a decent swing at Dillon Dubé.”
There’s history there, of course. It goes back to the Calgary days between Dubé and Brad Treliving.
“It doesn’t mean that Toronto is a frontrunner. It doesn’t mean that the Maple Leafs are going to land Dillon Dubé. But I mentioned earlier about their want for a top-six forward. The assumption is that a player like that could come in and fill that role.”
Leafs aren’t interested
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Fuck you AA – you pussy.
Still using my username like a coward. Figures you’re a mitchy-boy.-23Big
I don’t think it is AA. AA is a total libtard, and UG is a complete cunt-servative.
lobe when you talk dirty
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And Domi is already hurt lol
Here comes Roslovich
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And Domi is already hurt lol
It’s probably a minor strain, Domi has a habit of doing a lot of offseason cross training where he plays multiple non-hockey sports.
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It’s probably a minor strain, Domi has a habit of doing a lot of offseason cross training where he plays multiple non-hockey sports.
Oh I know, he’s expected back before the end of camp let alone preseason. Just one of my dumb jokes lol
FYI, gave it some thought and I like what you’re saying about Cowan except one thing, fuck using up one year of his contract BUT mainly keep him on the Marlies. Call him up and send him down as needed nice and easy tho, isn’t that a nice thing considering all the little hiccups the NHL is trying to put into place cap wise? Waiver exempt guys might start getting used a bit differently, nice and helpful IR coverage.
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It’s probably a minor strain, Domi has a habit of doing a lot of offseason cross training where he plays multiple non-hockey sports.
Oh I know, he’s expected back before the end of camp let alone preseason. Just one of my dumb jokes lol
FYI, gave it some thought and I like what you’re saying about Cowan except one thing, fuck using up one year of his contract BUT mainly keep him on the Marlies. Call him up and send him down as needed nice and easy tho, isn’t that a nice thing considering all the little hiccups the NHL is trying to put into place cap wise? Waiver exempt guys might start getting used a bit differently, nice and helpful IR coverage.
They could save the year of his ELC by not using him at all until the playoffs. If he plays so well in the playoffs that he’s worth playing more than 9 games, then so be it. But if we have a situation where we have McMann (or any other plug like Jarnkrok, Kampf, Robertson etc.) scoring 0 goals like they did last year, pull him out of the line-up, put in Cowan and see what it gets you.
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They could save the year of his ELC by not using him at all until the playoffs. If he plays so well in the playoffs that he’s worth playing more than 9 games, then so be it. But if we have a situation where we have McMann (or any other plug like Jarnkrok, Kampf, Robertson etc.) scoring 0 goals like they did last year, pull him out of the line-up, put in Cowan and see what it gets you.
I guess that’s my point… what’s more important, a year of his ELC or production from the lineup right now? I say fuck it, sell off that garbage to whoever will take it and play the best team.
But like I said, this kid has to prove he can play pro hockey at a level needed. Honest question for you, where do you see him? A top six offensive guy? Or a middle six two way guy?
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They could save the year of his ELC by not using him at all until the playoffs. If he plays so well in the playoffs that he’s worth playing more than 9 games, then so be it. But if we have a situation where we have McMann (or any other plug like Jarnkrok, Kampf, Robertson etc.) scoring 0 goals like they did last year, pull him out of the line-up, put in Cowan and see what it gets you.
I guess that’s my point… what’s more important, a year of his ELC or production from the lineup right now? I say fuck it, sell off that garbage to whoever will take it and play the best team.
But like I said, this kid has to prove he can play pro hockey at a level needed. Honest question for you, where do you see him? A top six offensive guy? Or a middle six two way guy?
He is small so if his offensive game isn’t on a higher level, like, Kane, Crosby, Marner, St. Louis, chances are his ceiling is 2nd line winger but probably 3rd line two-way PKer, maybe like a Darcy Tucker. Good complimentary player but not a franchise cornerstone. Some are saying Travis Konecny, which makes quite a bit of sense.
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So this site still has problems with you quote something quoted and you still need to edit your post before you can post or it just mysteriously vanishes?
Have there been any fixes over the summer? Are people still just . . .dealing with this and posting here because this at this point it’s not particularly impressive for a message board to have this many bugs.
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So this site still has problems with you quote something quoted and you still need to edit your post before you can post or it just mysteriously vanishes?
Have there been any fixes over the summer? Are people still just . . .dealing with this and posting here because this at this point it’s not particularly impressive for a message board to have this many bugs.
Seems to work good enough. These platforms are dying and dead. This is what is left.
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So this site still has problems with you quote something quoted and you still need to edit your post before you can post or it just mysteriously vanishes?
Have there been any fixes over the summer? Are people still just . . .dealing with this and posting here because this at this point it’s not particularly impressive for a message board to have this many bugs.
Seems to work good enough. These platforms are dying and dead. This is what is left.
one guy completely sabotaged his own site
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one guy completely sabotaged his own site
Wasn’t worth much anyway, he gambled a broken site.
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What’s happening over there on the ‘buzz? My login doesn’t even work anymore. Are there even any threads/discussions happening?
I haven’t really been back there much since the new redesign of the web site and lost my user id because of an old email address that no longer exist when Ek imported the user ids into the new web site.
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Sunday is the 1st pre-season game for the Leafs.
let’s see how rusty the boys are vs. the Sens.Anyone know if it will be available to watch? Thx.
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I wonder if trading futures for Formenton would be a pop show for him here in the big smoke.
The Leafs dont have many futures to trade…..and formenton isnt active until Dec 1st.
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Sunday is the 1st pre-season game for the Leafs.
let’s see how rusty the boys are vs. the Sens.Anyone know if it will be available to watch? Thx.
sportsnet 1 @ 3pm
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I wonder if trading futures for Formenton would be a pop show for him here in the big smoke.
The Leafs dont have many futures to trade…..and formenton isnt active until Dec 1st.
The leafs are big enough poop show on their own….dont need more poop show story lines imo.Actually the Leafs have plenty of future consideration. Basically you get him for nothing.
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Thanks. Anyone see the clip of JT today? Dudes going to get 40 and be on Team Canada.
No chance.
None.
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Thanks. Anyone see the clip of JT today? Dudes going to get 40 and be on Team Canada.
No chance.
None.
there’s always a chance even though they are slim.
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And the leafs win game 1 ????
Was nice to see the Leafs B squad beat the Sens A squad. I’m sure the reverse will happen in Toronto and every Sens troll will be yapping about it like they won the cup. Lol
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Was nice to see the Leafs B squad beat the Sens A squad. I’m sure the reverse will happen in Toronto and every Sens troll will be yapping about it like they won the cup. Lol
Oh I’ll happily say it was nice to see but it was also due to to some damn lucky moments lol
Win that way, lose that way, and watch the trolls explode.
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Was nice to see the Leafs B squad beat the Sens A squad. I’m sure the reverse will happen in Toronto and every Sens troll will be yapping about it like they won the cup. Lol
Oh I’ll happily say it was nice to see but it was also due to to some damn lucky moments lol
Win that way, lose that way, and watch the trolls explode.
It’s just AHL caliber hockey. It means nothing, but a way to make extra money for the teams. It’s gotten to the point that preseason is just boring to watch and the regular season, with the exception of a few divisional tilts are also meh. Playoffs is where it’s at.
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It’s just AHL caliber hockey. It means nothing, but a way to make extra money for the teams. It’s gotten to the point that preseason is just boring to watch and the regular season, with the exception of a few divisional tilts are also meh. Playoffs is where it’s at.[/quote] – Prince
It’s generally AHL vs quasi NHL rosters so there can be some take aways but your right it’s predominately about revenue.
I mean yesterday in Ottawa the Sens had both their NHL goalies in for at least half the game in Sogard & Ullmark and they had Giroux, Apple Strudle, Chabot, Tkachuk, Peron, Ridely Greig, Batherson, Nick Cousins so basically an NHL Line up.
The Leafs had 2 non NHL goalies in Peska and Akhtyamov and the most talent they had from a scoring or NHL regular perspective was Robertson, Yark-crock, Kampf and Cowen.
It really was the Marlies vs the Sens IMO.
Like I said it will be the reverse in Toronto tomorrow and the Sens will win & this game will mean nothing and that game will mean the Leafs are terrible and the Sens are going to win the cup. lol
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It’s just AHL caliber hockey. It means nothing, but a way to make extra money for the teams. It’s gotten to the point that preseason is just boring to watch and the regular season, with the exception of a few divisional tilts are also meh. Playoffs is where it’s at.
Well like Cush is saying the Sens had a lot of their NHL roster in the game so no, it wasn’t really just AHL hockey but it was game 1 of the year so it would have been rusty as hell one way or another.
As for me I still enjoy a season, I’m not the type who sits here salivating while waiting for the post season, because let’s face it, due to trades/injury/etc we don’t even really know what the team will look like by then. It’s a long ways to go so embrace your patience and realize that the team that starts the year won’t be the one that starts the post season and you of all people know this Prince *shrugs*
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I’m a real man. I only watch game 7s
Question: have you ever seen a swept series?
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Currently in London with my three teenages for the Korn concert.
My poor old hearing
Well the up side is getting to hear both Shoots and Ladders and Blind live would/should absolutely rock!
Enjoy!
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I’m a real man. I only watch game 7s
Question: have you ever seen a swept series?
I love curling
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I love curling
LOL
I would have as well except my dad and step mom used two of the stones on two of the doors in their house growing up as door stops. They caused a few bruised toes in my life.
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All the best to Woll, hopefully he’s back soon.
Is he injured already?
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Is he injured already?
No, off for personal reasons that won’t be addressed. I’m curious if it’s a family funeral.
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Is he injured already?
No, off for personal reasons that won’t be addressed. I’m curious if it’s a family funeral.
Funerals are usually a lot quicker than this seems like it is going to be. Somebody important to him is probably sick with a serious illness. Same thing happened to Aaron Rodgers which significantly delayed his signing with the Steelers this summer.
Leafs 1st unit PP looked horrid vs. the Senators. Matthews missed a breakaway to seal the game. Leafs lost in OT. Classic Leafs. Good thing these games don’t matter but it wasn’t pretty.
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Funerals are usually a lot quicker than this seems like it is going to be. Somebody important to him is probably sick with a serious illness. Same thing happened to Aaron Rodgers which significantly delayed his signing with the Steelers this summer.
Leafs 1st unit PP looked horrid vs. the Senators. Matthews missed a breakaway to seal the game. Leafs lost in OT. Classic Leafs. Good thing these games don’t matter but it wasn’t pretty.
Well, whatever it is he wants it private so I can respect that and leave it be and simply wish him the best.
As for the game I get what you’re saying, but like you’ve mentioned it’s preseason so it’s sloppy time lol. The main thing in game 1 for a lot of guys is to hammer out some shots on net so at least they got over 30. But yeah, here’s hoping they clean up at a decent pace as well but it’s not my concern quite yet.
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Ah ok, hope all is well.
Yeah, he’s keeping it to himself for a reason so the best thing for us to do is give him his space and wish him the best like you’re doing ????
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Leafs should probably bring in Reimer (or another UFA vet) on a PTO with Woll being out. Reimer could easily play as a back-up for a few weeks and at worst plays for the Marlies if one of the Marlies goalies finds his way on the Leafs to start the season.
100% They should bring Reimer back.
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4 goals under 10 shots, good ol’ preseason lol
one goalie is an NHL goalie and the other is AHL goalie …..
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one goalie is an NHL goalie and the other is AHL goalie …..
As I said… the good ol’ preseason lol
Maccelli not looking bad again
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Lorentz is going for a hatty!! lol ????
he playing well with Laughton who chasing the trick as well.
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he playing well with Laughton who chasing the trick as well.
that could the Leafs 4th line.????PP3!! ????????
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HES BAAAAAACK!!!!! BOO YEAH!!!!
Love that Reimer was actually given the PTO ????????
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HES BAAAAAACK!!!!! BOO YEAH!!!!
Love that Reimer was actually given the PTO ????????
I, too, love this so much. Nothing better than a Reimer win celly.
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So it’s looking like Florida might not be as much of a threat this year making the Atlantic a little more open. Barkov is having surgery on his knee today after hurting it yesterday and he might be done for the year and Tkachuk is gone for the first few weeks after the surgery he already had himself.
I’ll never hope for medical pain on anyone, hell, I just had a vagus nerve stimulator installed into my body last Friday, so I wish those two the best and that they recover quickly and well.
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I, too, love this so much. Nothing better than a Reimer win celly.
I would not mind him as a backup if Woll is going to be gone for awhile, well, I wouldn’t mind so long he can still play decently at his age. We already know he can handle Toronto ????
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Love that Reimer was actually given the PTO
with 3 pre-season games left, kinda late to bring him in on a PTO
I hope he got some game left in him.I get what you’re saying. It’s what is making me curious if they learned something about how long Woll is going to be gone just yesterday or something like that.
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man posting at this site has become difficult as they site is not taken my post after doing the chapcha thing
it took me 5 attempts just to respond to a post
ARG!!!!!!YOU’RE NOT A ROBOT!!!!
or are you? ????????
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I get what you’re saying. It’s what is making me curious if they learned something about how long Woll is going to be gone just yesterday or something like that.[/quote]
Generally leave of absences are a few weeks minimum…unless its just a funeral.
I expect Woll not to play game until at least November, by the time he’s announced to be back and ramps back up
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Generally leave of absences are a few weeks minimum…unless it’s just a funeral.
I expect Woll not to play game until at least November, by the time he’s announced to be back and ramps back up
I’m guessing bring on Reimer is because they’re not sure if they want Hildeby stepping up to the NHL to do nothing but play backup. They wouldn’t give him Woll’s roll so he wouldn’t get the same amount of starts.
Basically without Woll the Leafs will truly lean on Stolarz and it won’t be a 50/50 type setup like last year, not until Woll is back anyways. So having someone like Reimer as the backup would make more sense since you don’t want Hildeby just sitting there hardly playing.
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yes some days, I feel like Mr. ROBOT.
3rd attempt to post.
Just type out your post and hit the “I’m not a robot” box then hit submit in that order. Works just fine for me.
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Agree Dozzer and Whipper, its great to see him back! And yes some of the flakes will have a fit because he didnt wear the ribbon, who cares. Theres no pleasing those people.
Wont let me quote, 5 times to post, smh.
Really? It’s not bugging me at all. I hit quote not reply, I delete everything but the post I’m replying to but you don’t have to, type out what I’m saying, then just hit the “I’m not a robot” captcha block before hitting submit. Works everytime for me *shrugs*
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Agree Dozzer and Whipper, its great to see him back! And yes some of the flakes will have a fit because he didnt wear the ribbon, who cares. Theres no pleasing those people.
Wont let me quote, 5 times to post, smh.
Well if it isn’t dick-licker still using my username. Did you get my nail clippings and bath water you requested? I got the money – hope you enjoy the product. Let me know if you need some more autographs, hair, etc. I am making a killing on your deaf-boy gay obsession with me. Makes sense now that Mitch’s Muffins will be in Vegas. Your girl forearms getting any bigger yet?
I keep reading some twat saying JT is garbage and hasn’t won anything so he’s trash and commenting on Robertson appearance. Such a weird little fat dude I guess… I think you should take his dick outta your mouth for a second and explain that Mitch (like JT) also won ZERO awards and had zero team success in the NHL. It’s the hypocrisy of folks with low IQ like UG I suppose.
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yes some days, I feel like Mr. ROBOT.
3rd attempt to post.
Just type out your post and hit the “I’m not a robot” box then hit submit in that order. Works just fine for me.
yes, that what I’ve been doing.
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yes, that what I’ve been doing.
To be fair I’ve only been posting off of chrome from my iPhone so if that is any reason I’m sneaking by something I certainly don’t know what it is.
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Aw come on man.
I posted on the HB thread that I wanted to see Slava Duris one more time in a Leafs uniform… and the post is gone.
The disrespect to the Duris legacy is unreal.
His weight made him a powerhouse lol
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Aw come on man.
I posted on the HB thread that I wanted to see Slava Duris one more time in a Leafs uniform… and the post is gone.
The disrespect to the Duris legacy is unreal.
helluva jofa
respect
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As per David Alter
#Leafs lines for morning skate vs MTL Sept. 27/25
Knies-Domi-Robertson
Jarnkrok-Tavares-Nylander
Joshua-Roy-Maccelli
Pezzetta-Quillan-Valis
Matthews is skating, probably not playing.Rielly-Carlo
McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Benning
Benoit (red jersey)Stolarz
AkhtyamovHabs Projected lineup
Forwards
Bolduc – Newhook – Kapanen
Blais – Veleno – Beck
Farrell – Belzile – Thorpe
Dauphin – Condotta – KidneyDefensemen
Xhekaj – Carrier
Struble – Hutson
Del Gaizo – EngstromGoalies
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Habs Projected lineup
Forwards
Bolduc – Newhook – Kapanen
Blais – Veleno – Beck
Farrell – Belzile – Thorpe
Dauphin – Condotta – KidneyDefensemen
Xhekaj – Carrier
Struble – Hutson
Del Gaizo – EngstromGoalies
Kahkonen
FowlerWell… it’s the preseason so neither is a safe bet lol
I know this is random but I think Kidney should be traded to Vegas.
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So is hockeybuzz desd now? Checked in and there are like 3 cooments per thread
And it’s covered in ad posts so fuck that site lol
This site isn’t doing anything either, just wish people would tell me where they took off to
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Very good sports day!
Stolarz is here for awhile at a decent price ????
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Very good sports day!
Stolarz is here for awhile at a decent price ????
Plus Jays and Europe
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Plus Jays and Europe
Yup, and I actually got to catch the jays game while sitting at the bar of Fatty Patty’s here in London enjoying a couple pints because my gf was craving their beef dip and fries. So I got to watch that game there so long as I brought that home afterwards lol. Pints are so much nicer than cans, and that place has good food so having it within walking distance is very nice.
And seeing Europe get The Ryder Cup was sweet too.
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Very good sports day!
Stolarz is here for awhile at a decent price ????
That’s a FANTASTIC price for the guy who lead the league in SV% the last two years.
Tendies are locked up for the next few years, D is too (granted, they’re a little long in the tooth), and we have 16-18M to bring in some (A?) nice pieces next year.
In Brad and Woll and Stollie we trust!
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That’s a FANTASTIC price for the guy who lead the league in SV% the last two years.Tendies are locked up for the next few years, D is too (granted, they’re a little long in the tooth), and we have 16-18M to bring in some (A?) nice pieces next year.
In Brad and Woll and Stollie we trust!
The D is a bit older but not ancient either so I’m not worried about them for a couple of years so long as the forwards backcheck decently they should be fine.
I like the goalie signing, not too long and not too expensive so it fell within what I felt was reasonable for him.
I’m liking that Cowan is looking like he made the team at least to start the season too, people might be freaking out that he should be starting in the AHL in a top 6 roll but that’s not how things tick for that guy, even for the Knights he started off in a bottom six roll and worked his way up. With him he might be too good for the AHL and he simply won’t develop anything down there. He might simply be one of those types who needs to develop in the NHL by working his way up the lineup. I’ll even give UG credit tho, there is still a concern here and that’s how well this kid will last over an entire pro season, 4th line minutes should help that, but we shall see.
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the Leafs have cut a good chunk of there roster.
they are mostly the Marlies playersSeems like they’ve pretty much have their roster pretty much decided so long as nothing severe happens over the next few days. The starting lineup is supposed to get Thursday’s game (according to the media) and what is leftover will cover Saturday’s. Be interesting to see what happens after that. Who gets moved, who gets put on waivers, etc.
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Hey Everyone,
I have changed the title of this forum for the upcoming season.
Thanks for letting us know, and I will never dispute the Keymaster! ????????
Cheers Mike
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I don’t know what’s going on either lol
Quick FYI, ELC contract years still get used up in the AHL. So Cowan gets a new contract in 2028 one way or another. Looked into that last night and that’s how it works. Leafs or Marlies has zero to do with his current contract.
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I don’t know what’s going on either lol
Quick FYI, ELC contract years still get used up in the AHL. So Cowan gets a new contract in 2028 one way or another. Looked into that last night and that’s how it works. Leafs or Marlies has zero to do with his current contract.
ELC contract years will start being used up because he’s 20, yes, but it wouldn’t if he was still 18 or 19. But he still has never played pro hockey yet. As I have said elsewhere, Nylander, as a rookie, only last 22 games after 2/3 years playing pro level hockey at his age. Cowan needs top-six minutes in the AHL. Playing 8 minutes in the NHL is a waste of his development time, even if it isn’t wasting his contract years.
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ELC contract years will start being used up because he’s 20, yes, but it wouldn’t if he was still 18 or 19. But he still has never played pro hockey yet. As I have said elsewhere, Nylander, as a rookie, only last 22 games after 2/3 years playing pro level hockey at his age. Cowan needs top-six minutes in the AHL. Playing 8 minutes in the NHL is a waste of his development time, even if it isn’t wasting his contract years.
Ahhhh ok so by waste of a year you’re simply talking about how he’s being used, ok got it. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Maybe the Leafs are quite simply in the now or never mode. Prospect and pick depth is notably weak, and where will this team be when Matthews’ contract is up? The backend will be notably older, same with their starter, JT isn’t leaving, so use whatever is best now. I mean why build the kid up in the minors? To have some core basically around Nylander, Knies, and him if Matthews chooses to leave? If that does happen having that kid with experience would likely make him more tradeable as he’d be at least in the middle six by then anyways. It will be rebuild time.
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Yup, and I actually got to catch the jays game while sitting at the bar of Fatty Patty’s here in London enjoying a couple pints because my gf was craving their beef dip and fries. So I got to watch that game there so long as I brought that home afterwards lol. Pints are so much nicer than cans, and that place has good food so having it within walking distance is very nice.
And seeing Europe get The Ryder Cup was sweet too.[/quote]
I recently ate at “The Squire”? across from the arena when I was in London with the kids for the Korn concert. Downtown was looking rough….or so it seemed…maybe all the construction?
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Ill put the over under on points this season at 99.5
you think over that or under?I’m going to say over with 101 pts.
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I recently ate at “The Squire”? across from the arena when I was in London with the kids for the Korn concert. Downtown was looking rough….or so it seemed…maybe all the construction?
Oh no, downtown London is garbage, even McDonald’s left. Basically anything outside of the arena and Covent Garden Market block is drug user world… sure there is a couple decent spots if you can handle going down there but a lot of people just won’t.
The city needs to figure out how to get the junkies and homeless (both the good and bad ones) out of the area if they ever truly hope for the city core to come alive again.
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Minnesota Wild dropping huge cash AND term on a 28 year old who will be 37 when his 17M per year contract ends and who has never scored 50 goals in a single season is a pretty ballsy move for sure.
Mc Jesus will get 18M per year or more now guaranteed.
Minnesota is a highly taxed state, nearly the same as Alberta total (46.5% in Minnie and 48% in Alberta, still better than Ontario’s 53.53% thanks Dougie) so I’m guessing that’s why it was so high. Still it’s over a $9 mill take home, I know it’s not the nicest place to live but damn, $2 mill more of a take home than Marner to keep him there? Yikes.
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Minnesota is a highly taxed state, nearly the same as Alberta total (46.5% in Minnie and 48% in Alberta, still better than Ontario’s 53.53% thanks Dougie) so I’m guessing that’s why it was so high. Still it’s over a $9 mill take home, I know it’s not the nicest place to live but damn, $2 mill more of a take home than Marner to keep him there? Yikes.- Dozzer[/quote]Thank god the Leafs didn’t overpay to keep Marner like this.
The fact there is only one poster who spews his garbage on here daily about how the Leafs should have overpaid Marner (who by the way didn’t want to stay anyway) simply shows the vast majority of Leaf fans are fine with the Leafs not making this same type of mistake with Marner.
And to preemptively respond to the “Marner left because of the fans, media, crime blah blah blah” – suck it up buttercup. Marner is the poster child for spoiled, soft kids. He has been told his entire life he was special and better than everyone else and when he wasn’t he took his ball and ran away to somewhere new where they told him what he wanted to hear.
Great player but spoiled brat.
If he was a pro athlete in a single person sport with the talent he has he may have had far more success but he’s not built to be a team player and it became more and more obvious as his time in Toronto came to an end.
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I recently ate at “The Squire”? across from the arena when I was in London with the kids for the Korn concert. Downtown was looking rough….or so it seemed…maybe all the construction?
Oh no, downtown London is garbage, even McDonald’s left. Basically anything outside of the arena and Covent Garden Market block is drug user world… sure there is a couple decent spots if you can handle going down there but a lot of people just won’t.
The city needs to figure out how to get the junkies and homeless (both the good and bad ones) out of the area if they ever truly hope for the city core to come alive again.
Every city needs to do this. Round them up and send them all to one dystopian shit hole like Barrie that is already ruined. Problem solved.
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Thank god the Leafs didn’t overpay to keep Marner like this.
The fact there is only one poster who spews his garbage on here daily about how the Leafs should have overpaid Marner (who by the way didn’t want to stay anyway) simply shows the vast majority of Leaf fans are fine with the Leafs not making this same type of mistake with Marner.
And to preemptively respond to the “Marner left because of the fans, media, crime blah blah blah” – suck it up buttercup. Marner is the poster child for spoiled, soft kids. He has been told his entire life he was special and better than everyone else and when he wasn’t he took his ball and ran away to somewhere new where they told him what he wanted to hear.
Great player but spoiled brat.
If he was a pro athlete in a single person sport with the talent he has he may have had far more success but he’s not built to be a team player and it became more and more obvious as his time in Toronto came to an end.
Oh Marner would have cost a fortune to stick around for the $7.5 mill take home he gets in Nevada. In Ontario (and yes they are paid game by game so I’m keeping this very simple but it’s a truth) to get that he’d have to be making $16 mill. With advertising and only taking on 43 games in Ontario sure it would be closer to $15 but still, $13.5 in Toronto does not get him even close to what he now earns in Vegas.
Most importantly the leafs are a more well rounded team playing a more physical game. Yes Berube adjusted his coaching style last year because who the fuck wouldn’t when you have Marner in the lineup but both him and the GM weren’t going to continue that style unless Marner signed the deal that they drew the line on, and Marner didn’t.
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I recently ate at “The Squire”? across from the arena when I was in London with the kids for the Korn concert. Downtown was looking rough….or so it seemed…maybe all the construction?
Maybe the budget will include more injection sites. That’s always a guarantee to fix everything.
Every city needs to do this. Round them up and send them all to one dystopian shit hole like Barrie that is already ruined. Problem solved.
Send them to a government paid hotel room. Works every time.
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Every city needs to do this. Round them up and send them all to one dystopian shit hole like Barrie that is already ruined. Problem solved.
They’re trying to clean it up, parking for free would help but that won’t happen, the parks still do well since thankfully they’re at the river and they’re large enough to be able to ignore the iffy folk.
The rest of London is doing great, just the core that sucks. The east end is iffy but it always was but even businesses and people do well there still. I’m in the old south end and it thrives, and the north and west are newer/growing and thriving. Maybe the idea of having the busses all meet downtown for people to change from one to another is a bad one? Who knows.
The city does seem to be focusing the police on street dwellers a lot more lately tho, getting them into the overnight dwellings and “insisting” a bit more strongly. It’s getting noticed. We’ll see how it works out on cost tho.
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Thank god the Leafs didn’t overpay to keep Marner like this.
The fact there is only one poster who spews his garbage on here daily about how the Leafs should have overpaid Marner (who by the way didn’t want to stay anyway) simply shows the vast majority of Leaf fans are fine with the Leafs not making this same type of mistake with Marner.
And to preemptively respond to the “Marner left because of the fans, media, crime blah blah blah” – suck it up buttercup. Marner is the poster child for spoiled, soft kids. He has been told his entire life he was special and better than everyone else and when he wasn’t he took his ball and ran away to somewhere new where they told him what he wanted to hear.
Great player but spoiled brat.
If he was a pro athlete in a single person sport with the talent he has he may have had far more success but he’s not built to be a team player and it became more and more obvious as his time in Toronto came to an end.
Oh Marner would have cost a fortune to stick around for the $7.5 mill take home he gets in Nevada. In Ontario (and yes they are paid game by game so I’m keeping this very simple but it’s a truth) to get that he’d have to be making $16 mill. With advertising and only taking on 43 games in Ontario sure it would be closer to $15 but still, $13.5 in Toronto does not get him even close to what he now earns in Vegas.
Most importantly the leafs are a more well rounded team playing a more physical game. Yes Berube adjusted his coaching style last year because who the fuck wouldn’t when you have Marner in the lineup but both him and the GM weren’t going to continue that style unless Marner signed the deal that they drew the line on, and Marner didn’t.
Marner would have stayed for less than 16.
And this fantasy about Berube’s style is a myth. Marner played two way hockey. Nothing changed before, during or after Marner. Proof is Nylander and Tavares are still there and both absolutely suck balls defensively, non physical players.
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Maybe the budget will include more injection sites. That’s always a guarantee to fix everything.
Send them to a government paid hotel room. Works every time.
Avoid this man…
For instance for roughly $250K plus homes
Canadian federal government taxation: 33%
American federal government taxation: 37%Ontario Conservative government taxation: 20.53%
Alberta Conservative government taxation: 15%Ford is the iffy one atm who needs someone to go chat with him.
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Marner would have stayed for less than 16.And this fantasy about Berube’s style is a myth. Marner played two way hockey. Nothing changed before, during or after Marner.
Berube wants fast/physical north south hockey and he said it himself. As for Marner staying for less, he was offered less and he said no.
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Marner would have stayed for less than 16.And this fantasy about Berube’s style is a myth. Marner played two way hockey. Nothing changed before, during or after Marner.
Berube wants fast/physical north south hockey and he said it himself. As for Marner staying for less, he was offered less and he said no.
Must be why Tavares, Rielly and Nylander were removed from the team. Oh wait, that’s the sound of that argument imploding.
He was worth much more than what they offered. Just because he was willing to take a form of discount doesn’t mean he was going to take a total discount.
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Maybe the budget will include more injection sites. That’s always a guarantee to fix everything.
Send them to a government paid hotel room. Works every time.
Avoid this man…
For instance for roughly $250K plus homes
Canadian federal government taxation: 33%
American federal government taxation: 37%Ontario Conservative government taxation: 20.53%
Alberta Conservative government taxation: 15%Ford is the iffy one atm who needs someone to go chat with him.
Ford is basically a libtard wolf wearing blue sheep clothing.
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Must be why Tavares, Rielly and Nylander were removed from the team. Oh wait, that’s the sound of that argument imploding.
He was worth much more than what they offered. Just because he was willing to take a form of discount doesn’t mean he was going to take a total discount.
Ok I’m giving JT the pass now, the old vet is still damn near a PPG and he signed nice and cheap deal to make up for signing for what turned out to be too much. Please keep in mind it wouldn’t have seemed to be that high if that Covid lockdown didn’t happen either. Him being a little high at the first year or two of his contract isn’t abnormal in this league, problem is due to that 2 year lockdown on the cap he never escaped it so he always seemed too high. The guessed thinking when it was offered would have been that cap should have been at least his salary higher when his contract ended.
Rielly… the on and off light switch? Come on man you know what year is coming up lol
Nylander has been climbing at what he’s good at so let’s just hope that continues. He’s a speedy ass offensive threat that keeps the opposition on their toes. They know that even if they have the puck if they accidentally give it up and he’s on the ice watch out cause he could take off with it because he doesn’t play a physical D and they know it. So that is Nylander’s defence, sticking inside the opposition’s head.
When it comes to Marner it’s unfortunate but his demand obviously had to do with take home, which meant more than $13.5, which was all the leafs were willing to offer cap wise. So if take home meant that much to him, he had to choose a team in a lower taxation location.
As for the other comment about Ford lol, and lol again, I was waiting for you to say that. Just saw him on the news chatting in the hammer about video cameras getting used more, is that guy ever going to learn how to talk? lol
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Ok I’m giving JT the pass now, the old vet is still damn near a PPG and he signed nice and cheap deal to make up for signing for what turned out to be too much. Please keep in mind it wouldn’t have seemed to be that high if that Covid lockdown didn’t happen either. Him being a little high at the first year or two of his contract isn’t abnormal in this league, problem is due to that 2 year lockdown on the cap he never escaped it so he always seemed too high. The guessed thinking when it was offered would have been that cap should have been at least his salary higher when his contract ended.
Rielly… the on and off light switch? Come on man you know what year is coming up lol
Nylander has been climbing at what he’s good at so let’s just hope that continues. He’s a speedy ass offensive threat that keeps the opposition on their toes. They know that even if they have the puck if they accidentally give it up and he’s on the ice watch out cause he could take off with it because he doesn’t play a physical D and they know it. So that is Nylander’s defence, sticking inside the opposition’s head.
When it comes to Marner it’s unfortunate but his demand obviously had to do with take home, which meant more than $13.5, which was all the leafs were willing to offer cap wise. So if take home meant that much to him, he had to choose a team in a lower taxation location.
As for the other comment about Ford lol, and lol again, I was waiting for you to say that. Just saw him on the news chatting in the hammer about video cameras getting used more, is that guy ever going to learn how to talk? lol
So like I said, you have no real argument (only excuses) for why Tavares, Nylander and Rielly are still on the team with Berube as head coach because they all absolutely suck defensively and provide zero physicality or two-way play.
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Minnesota Wild dropping huge cash AND term on a 28 year old who will be 37 when his 17M per year contract ends and who has never scored 50 goals in a single season is a pretty ballsy move for sure.
Mc Jesus will get 18M per year or more now guaranteed.
Don’t see how Edmonton can spend $31M for McDavid and Leon with no goalies and no D
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So like I said, you have no real argument (only excuses) for why Tavares, Nylander and Rielly are still on the team with Berube as head coach because they all absolutely suck defensively and provide zero physicality or two-way play.
Nor should they be. Line 2 is not the defensive line of the top 6, nothing unusual for a team, and a non defensive d man who is a 50P threat at $7.5? That doesn’t bother me either.
I know you love the guy but Marner is a crybaby, and he’s been one since he’s been here in London. Talented as hell sure, but he’s also a big ass whiner. I genuinely hope that playing in a less intense market will be better for him, southern Ontario is not where he belongs.
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How do the leafs dump Matthews to pull it off is the main question.
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So like I said, you have no real argument (only excuses) for why Tavares, Nylander and Rielly are still on the team with Berube as head coach because they all absolutely suck defensively and provide zero physicality or two-way play.
Nor should they be. Line 2 is not the defensive line of the top 6, nothing unusual for a team, and a non defensive d man who is a 50P threat at $7.5? That doesn’t bother me either.
I know you love the guy but Marner is a crybaby, and he’s been one since he’s been here in London. Talented as hell sure, but he’s also a big ass whiner. I genuinely hope that playing in a less intense market will be better for him, southern Ontario is not where he belongs.
This is a joke of a cope.
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How do the leafs dump Matthews to pull it off is the main question.
So McDavid is going to leave a team that went to the Cup Final twice, leave Draisaitl, live in a worse part of the country AND NOT play with Matthews.
That’d be hilarious.
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Minnesota Wild dropping huge cash AND term on a 28 year old who will be 37 when his 17M per year contract ends and who has never scored 50 goals in a single season is a pretty ballsy move for sure.
Mc Jesus will get 18M per year or more now guaranteed.
Don’t see how Edmonton can spend $31M for McDavid and Leon with no goalies and no D
But the Leafs totally can and will win 8 straight Cups.
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So McDavid is going to leave a team that went to the Cup Final twice, leave Draisaitl, live in a worse part of the country AND NOT play with Matthews.
That’d be hilarious.
hes going to sign with Florida for 4.5mil cuz the taxes
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So McDavid is going to leave a team that went to the Cup Final twice, leave Draisaitl, live in a worse part of the country AND NOT play with Matthews.
That’d be hilarious.
hes going to sign with Florida for 4.5mil cuz the taxes
Or Vegas and have everything.
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you think over that or under?Under
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How do the leafs dump Matthews to pull it off is the main question.
So McDavid is going to leave a team that went to the Cup Final twice, leave Draisaitl, live in a worse part of the country AND NOT play with Matthews.
That’d be hilarious.[/quote]
Wow, you continue to be such a whiny little fascist coward. Complain, complain, complain. Do us all a favour, get out of your moms basement and move your incel self to the freedumb down south.
You live in one of the best countries (no matter what your facebook follows say) in the world and you whine about everything all the time. Libtards, taxes, ford, blaming the leafs for marner turning down $13.5m per, you have all the freedom in the world but somehow none in your delusional mind, no one will love you, trans people are so mean blah blah blah.
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Wow, you continue to be such a whiny little fascist coward. Complain, complain, complain. Do us all a favour, get out of your moms basement and move your incel self to the freedumb down south. You live in one of the best countries (no matter what your facebook follows say) in the world and you whine about everything all the time. Libtards, taxes, ford, blaming the leafs for marner turning down $13.5m per, you have all the freedom in the world but somehow none in your delusional mind, no one will love you, trans people are so mean blah blah blah.
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Oh Marner would have cost a fortune to stick around for the $7.5 mill take home he gets in Nevada. In Ontario (and yes they are paid game by game so I’m keeping this very simple but it’s a truth) to get that he’d have to be making $16 mill. With advertising and only taking on 43 games in Ontario sure it would be closer to $15 but still, $13.5 in Toronto does not get him even close to what he now earns in Vegas.
Most importantly the leafs are a more well rounded team playing a more physical game. Yes Berube adjusted his coaching style last year because who the fuck wouldn’t when you have Marner in the lineup but both him and the GM weren’t going to continue that style unless Marner signed the deal that they drew the line on, and Marner didn’t.[/quote]
Marner could have been a hero had he signed for reasonable amount (my gawd Kaprisov deal is horrible), quit whining and truly showed up in the playoffs.
But he did neither.
How good and physical the leafs will be remains to be seen…only the results in April will matter. But for 9 years it wasnt working with this core. Things had to change. They did.
Some need to move on, let it go. This isnt marner’s dads leafs anymore…..marner ran away.Question is, with how old and injury prone the leafs seem to be….can the full team survive the full season? Can matthews be the matthews of 3 years ago?
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Or Vegas and have everything.
Vegas makes more sense for him, but I don’t believe he is going to leave Edmonton in any future.
He wants to win a Cup. He will leave Edmonton if it means winning a Cup and it looks like he might have to if they can’t do it this year.
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He wants to win a Cup. He will leave Edmonton if it means winning a Cup and it looks like he might have to if they can’t do it this yearHe wants to win it in Edmonton and they were not so far from getting it done for 2 years in a row.
Might not be possible in Edmonton given the way their team is built with no D and no goalie. He has to do everything by himself in Edmonton. The only reason they got close is because he’s the best player in the world. If he joins Vegas, next time in the Final, he gets a lot more help and gets the job done.
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Might not be possible in Edmonton given the way their team is built with no D and no goalie. He has to do everything by himself in Edmonton. The only reason they got close is because he’s the best player in the world. If he joins Vegas, next time in the Final, he gets a lot more help and gets the job done.
Yes, I agree, but still thinking he stays in Edmonton.
Sure, more chance to win with Vegas or Florida, no doubt about it.
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Yes, I agree, but still thinking he stays in Edmonton.
Sure, more chance to win with Vegas or Florida, no doubt about it.
He was not lucky to sign contract with the team, who unlikely can win the Cup, but so many
other players been in the same situation.His biggest reason to stay in Edmonton is Draisaitl. But the rest of the team is so average or below average. Why would he stay for another 8 years? To carry a team to a point where they can’t help him win?
Vegas makes the most sense. They have a solid team, solid D, decent goalie and he has chemistry with Marner. Plus, better weather and lower taxes. If Vegas trades Eichel to Boston, they can easily afford to add McDavid, especially with the tax savings. As a UFA, McDavid can go anywhere he wants and if he stays in Edmonton, he is stuck with having to win a Cup by himself which already has not worked for close to 10 years. Can McDavid afford to put his Cup winning fate in the same organization for the rest of his career?
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I don’t know the answer to this question, we should wait and see what happens.
He is not in easy situation there and up to very difficult decisions.I think the answer is they have run out of prospects and draft picks to make a difference. They also don’t have cap space to sign free agents or make trades necessary to improve the team.
I think the Oilers only hope is if one of their goalie prospects comes in and stands on his head. But for this year, they’re going back to Skinner, Pickard and now Ingram, for a 3 headed monster of giant question marks in net.
Teams have won the Cup with great players like McDavid and terrible goalies, but they still require a higher level of defense. The Oilers don’t have it or the resources to change it quickly. That’s why a landing spot like Vegas, that has everything but is missing something like McDavid, makes the most sense.
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I don’t know the answer to this question, we should wait and see what happens.
He is not in easy situation there and up to very difficult decisions.I think the answer is they have run out of prospects and draft picks to make a difference. They also don’t have cap space to sign free agents or make trades necessary to improve the team.
I think the Oilers only hope is if one of their goalie prospects comes in and stands on his head. But for this year, they’re going back to Skinner, Pickard and now Ingram, for a 3 headed monster of giant question marks in net.
Teams have won the Cup with great players like McDavid and terrible goalies, but they still require a higher level of defense. The Oilers don’t have it or the resources to change it quickly. That’s why a landing spot like Vegas, that has everything but is missing something like McDavid, makes the most sense.
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Or Vegas and have everything.
Vegas makes more sense for him, but I don’t believe he is going to leave Edmonton in any future.
He wants to go play with Marner so he can score 100 goals in a season.
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Marner could have been a hero had he signed for reasonable amount (my gawd Kaprisov deal is horrible), quit whining and truly showed up in the playoffs.
But he did neither.
How good and physical the leafs will be remains to be seen…only the results in April will matter. But for 9 years it wasnt working with this core. Things had to change. They did.
Some need to move on, let it go. This isnt marner’s dads leafs anymore…..marner ran away.Question is, with how old and injury prone the leafs seem to be….can the full team survive the full season? Can matthews be the matthews of 3 years ago?
The 3rd line does look great though.I will say it quickly, Marner has talent, I know this, but he’s a whiner and I won’t miss him at all on the leafs. There’s my opinion, the end.
What I do think will be the shock for leaf fans this year is getting used to having a bottom six that actually is good again for the first time in over a couple f’n decades. They haven’t had this since before the rebuild and it’s why I think some leaf fans are still panicking about this type of restructuring. They either don’t remember how this is the more effective way to build a team or they aren’t old enough to have ever seen it, at least not on the leafs.
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Frees up about $6M (Kampf, Jarnkrok and Nickie) to trade/waive
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RIP the shittiest site since the last shittiest site that was able to coast for 20 years and died with automation. Amazing work gentlemen. HTML is really hard.
Netflix did it to themselves!
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RIP the shittiest site since the last shittiest site that was able to coast for 20 years and died with automation. Amazing work gentlemen. HTML is really hard.
Netflix did it to themselves!
I’m going to guess that they did something woke that hurt your fee-fees.
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Marner could have been a hero had he signed for reasonable amount (my gawd Kaprisov deal is horrible), quit whining and truly showed up in the playoffs.
But he did neither.
How good and physical the leafs will be remains to be seen…only the results in April will matter. But for 9 years it wasnt working with this core. Things had to change. They did.
Some need to move on, let it go. This isnt marner’s dads leafs anymore…..marner ran away.Question is, with how old and injury prone the leafs seem to be….can the full team survive the full season? Can matthews be the matthews of 3 years ago?
The 3rd line does look great though.I will say it quickly, Marner has talent, I know this, but he’s a whiner and I won’t miss him at all on the leafs. There’s my opinion, the end.
What I do think will be the shock for leaf fans this year is getting used to having a bottom six that actually is good again for the first time in over a couple f’n decades. They haven’t had this since before the rebuild and it’s why I think some leaf fans are still panicking about this type of restructuring. They either don’t remember how this is the more effective way to build a team or they aren’t old enough to have ever seen it, at least not on the leafs.
^This.
He is a great player, but will not going to miss him no matter what.
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I’m going to guess that they did something woke that hurt your fee-fees.
Wow, a plus 80 year old geezer using the term fee-fees. Yikes[/quote]
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Wow, a plus 80 year old geezer using the term fee-fees. Yikes
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You seriously have not been paying attention to the ostrich story?[/quote]
Ah yes, the ostrich convoy. What does Netflix have to do with it?
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I’m going to guess that they did something woke that hurt your fee-fees.
Radical Marxist transtifa gender theory has irreversibly damaged and sexually mutilated a lot more children than fee-fees.
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I’m going to guess that they did something woke that hurt your fee-fees.
Radical Marxist transtifa gender theory has irreversibly damaged and sexually mutilated a lot more children than fee-fees.
Sounds awful. Why would Netflix cut the dicks off kids? Is this what “family values” Elon Musk is fighting? And how do the ostriches fit in?
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Fucking losers at it again here eh?! Posting political bullshit – well just regurgitating other people’s opinions they read on Reddit.
…and the fucking losers running this shit letting this happen.
Trying to look at hockey talk and being exposed to shit like:
Radical Marxist transtifa gender theory has irreversibly damaged and sexually mutilated a lot more children than fee-fees.
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Sounds awful. Why would Netflix cut the dicks off kids? Is this what “family values” Elon Musk is fighting? And how do the ostriches fit in?
So insane. Just boring and dumb. Politics is the beige and oatmeal of our society so goddamn boring. Every human talks about the same shit. It’s not interesting. It’s not unique. It’s fucking boring.
(Chirp back about mad how mad I am – that’s the typical response…also boring)
I literally check this place every week or so and it’s the same few pathetic posters posting pathetic shit about politics or pretending to be other people. So sad.
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Not the best outing tonight – aside from Stolarz and a few guys.
This is mostly (if not totally) Game 1 lineup. In this type of game and at this point Coach wants proper structure, routs, management and pace. That wasn’t really the case but a couple things to remember:
– A pro player (who’s already penciled in, just wants to get through the game without injury. That is 100% the main objective from a players perspective.
– The first wasn’t terrible, the second started with basically half the period on a pk and screwed up an already sputtering rhythm.I get some fans will panic – and moronic ones will think this game is what you should evaluate a playoff spot from – but truth is, it’s just a pre season game. Not the way they wanted to end, but it is what it is. It happens.
The first half of season will be adjusting and adjusting. They will and they will be fine. Their talent and tendy will carry through that period.
(Jesus AA man – I feel kinda bad for you now. How many alts do you have. Christ you’re hurting bud)
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Radical Marxist transtifa gender theory has irreversibly damaged and sexually mutilated a lot more children than fee-fees.
This isnt a thing, you little coward.
But keep whining[/quote]Did he actually post this and then edit his post hoping nobody saw it?
Good god what a loser.
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Radical Marxist transtifa gender theory has irreversibly damaged and sexually mutilated a lot more children than fee-fees.
This isnt a thing, you little coward.
But keep whiningDid he actually post this and then edit his post hoping nobody saw it?
Good god what a loser.[/quote]
Six cliches in one post? I think he’s proud of it.
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What happened to Laughton? He’s week to week
Lower body. a pulled groin? did he block a shot?
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This isnt a thing, you little coward.
But keep whiningRead the book Irreversible Damage and shut the fuck up about the topic until you do.
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Irreversible Damage
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Irreversible Damage
yeah that book is the view/opinion of the author Abigail Shrier on transgender people.
nothing to see here.Nothing to see except the facts. But libtards are going to libtard. I guess going to Columbia University, Oxford and Yale isn’t enough to be a good writer anymore.
I’m sure it’s all just a bunch of bullshit and Chloe Cole will be able to reverse her mastectomy she had at 15 years old. Not like puberty blockers destroyed her ability to have children.
What’s that sound? Is that the facts slapping you across the face?
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What happened to Laughton? He’s week to week
Lower body. a pulled groin? did he block a shot?
He torn his labia. He’s going to transition and become the Gretzky of the PWHL.
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Nothing to see except the facts. But libtards are going to libtard. I guess going to Columbia University, Oxford and Yale isn’t enough to be a good writer anymore.
I’m sure it’s all just a bunch of bullshit and Chloe Cole will be able to reverse her mastectomy she had at 15 years old. Not like puberty blockers destroyed her ability to have children.
What’s that sound? Is that the facts slapping you across the face?[/quote]
it has nothing to do with her writing capabilities. the book is just her opinion my good man. until she has an MD license, it’s just her opinionjust like how you have the your own opinion on how the Leafs should be.
no, that sound is you passing gas.
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it has nothing to do with her writing capabilities. the book is just her opinion my good man. until she has an MD license, it’s just her opinion
just like how you have the your own opinion on how the Leafs should be.
no, that sound is you passing gas.
I’m sure she wrote the entire book and never consulted a single MD. Oh wait, you worship at the altar of the “experts” despite plenty of MDs speaking out against this practice including the UK (where Carney has his daughter transed at a “clinic” which is now shut down) which has reversed course.
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something you know all to well I see? musta happen to you eh?
Yes, I’m trans, if you talk about it you’re a bigot.
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I wounder if the Leafs management is waiting till the last minute to waive player such Kampf, Jarnkrok and others.
Could there be a deal with Seattle to move Kampf and Benning say for Winnipeg’s 2nd round pick in 2027.Waiting to see who is the most desperate to fill their roster with a NHL player due to injuries?
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I wounder if the Leafs management is waiting till the last minute to waive player such Kampf, Jarnkrok and others.
Could there be a deal with Seattle to move Kampf and Benning say for Winnipeg’s 2nd round pick in 2027.Welp, Kampf is on waivers now, so he’s almost certainly gone for nothing. Meh.
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something you know all to well I see? musta happen to you eh?
Yes, I’m trans, if you talk about it you’re a bigot.
Talking about it doesn’t make you a bigot.
Using your bigotry towards trans people to justify supporting a fascist criminal government because, “hey, at least they’re rounding up all the brown people and lgbtq+ people who I hate” makes you a bigot of the highest degree.
And it makes you a fascist. Yes, like the Nazi’s were.
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The Leafs are missing the playoffs this year.
GTFOH AA.
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The Leafs are missing the playoffs this year.
GTFOH AA.
GFY Lahey.
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Welp, Kampf is on waivers now, so he’s almost certainly gone for nothing. Meh.
Treliving hopes someone claims him so he can go out and grab someone cheaper to cover for Laughton lol
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Welp, Kampf is on waivers now, so he’s almost certainly gone for nothing. Meh.
Treliving hopes someone claims him so he can go out and grab someone cheaper to cover for Laughton lol
No reason to get another bottom six guy. Save the $ for TDL or offseason
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No reason to get another bottom six guy. Save the $ for TDL or offseason
Unless they just don’t want Kampf at all and would rather just sign some guy who plays more of a Berube type style for $1.15 mill or less. That way once Laughton comes a back they send the new guy down and if he clears great but if he gets claimed who cares?
To me this just absolute proof that Kampf is done as a leaf, I’m just willing to bet that Treliving won’t move him for practically nothing if he has to hang on to some of his contract.
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something you know all to well I see? musta happen to you eh?
Yes, I’m trans, if you talk about it you’re a bigot.
you’re such a whinner
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Posted a brief blog on the forums while we are waiting for the site migration to finish up.
Take a look. https://hockeyhotstove.com/forums/topic/kampf-waived-laughton-injured/
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First, I would like to apologize. I stole multiple other users (or losers lol) usernames. I can admit that was an immature move. Truth is, I had far too many White Claws, just finished jamming my box, fishing is crap these days, so I decided to let off some steam and have some fun.
Still though, I think the leafs will miss playoffs because of Marner (aka the greatest & best looking player ever) being run out of town of you meanies and Tre not giving him and his daddy enough money to put up the meanies.
I have been unfair to all you leafs fans with my stupidity. I’m sorry and I hope you all forgive me. I have been lifting weights now so I’m not as funny either anymore if anyone cares?
I love you all.
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Talking about it doesn’t make you a bigot.
Using your bigotry towards trans people to justify supporting a fascist criminal government because, “hey, at least they’re rounding up all the brown people and lgbtq+ people who I hate” makes you a bigot of the highest degree.
And it makes you a fascist. Yes, like the Nazi’s were.
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I’m going to address this once in this forum. This is a place to talk about hockey, about the Leafs and the upcoming season. If you want to talk about politics, if you want to talk about some of the issues of the day,
….you are free to do so…. just not here. We want to talk about sports, and ONLY SPORTS. If someone continues to bring up politics, they will be blocked from posting on the forums. We want to keep things civil here, and if you can’t do that, go someplace else. -
I’m going to address this once in this forum. This is a place to talk about hockey, about the Leafs and the upcoming season. If you want to talk about politics, if you want to talk about some of the issues of the day,
….you are free to do so…. just not here. We want to talk about sports, and ONLY SPORTS. If someone continues to bring up politics, they will be blocked from posting on the forums. We want to keep things civil here, and if you can’t do that, go someplace else.Better later than never.
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No reason to get another bottom six guy. Save the $ for TDL or offseason
Unless they just don’t want Kampf at all and would rather just sign some guy who plays more of a Berube type style for $1.15 mill or less. That way once Laughton comes a back they send the new guy down and if he clears great but if he gets claimed who cares?
To me this just absolute proof that Kampf is done as a leaf, I’m just willing to bet that Treliving won’t move him for practically nothing if he has to hang on to some of his contract.
If he clears Kampf will begin season as 4th line C. Easier to waive him now than mid-season.
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I’m going to address this once in this forum. This is a place to talk about hockey, about the Leafs and the upcoming season. If you want to talk about politics, if you want to talk about some of the issues of the day,
….you are free to do so…. just not here. We want to talk about sports, and ONLY SPORTS. If someone continues to bring up politics, they will be blocked from posting on the forums. We want to keep things civil here, and if you can’t do that, go someplace else.Here’s another idea: maybe someone could try to get this site working properly
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Via Mark Masters:
Lines at Leafs morning skate
Robertson – Haymes – Jarnkrok
Lettieri – Quillan – Cowan
Barbolini – Shaw – A.Nylander
Pezzetta – Pare – BoydBenoit – Mermis
Thrun – Myers
Webber – Benning95% of Marlies roster.
Hildeby starts
ReimerThis group is going to Detroit tonight
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Via Mark Masters:
Lines at Leafs morning skate
Robertson – Haymes – Jarnkrok
Lettieri – Quillan – Cowan
Barbolini – Shaw – A.Nylander
Pezzetta – Pare – BoydBenoit – Mermis
Thrun – Myers
Webber – BenningHildeby starts
ReimerThis group is going to Detroit tonight
So the Leafs are sending basically a Marlies team to Detroit tonight.
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Dozzer wrote:
Via Mark Masters:Lines at Leafs morning skate
Robertson – Haymes – Jarnkrok
Lettieri – Quillan – Cowan
Barbolini – Shaw – A.Nylander
Pezzetta – Pare – BoydBenoit – Mermis
Thrun – Myers
Webber – BenningHildeby starts
ReimerThis group is going to Detroit tonight
95% of Marlies roster.
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I’m going to address this once in this forum. This is a place to talk about hockey, about the Leafs and the upcoming season. If you want to talk about politics, if you want to talk about some of the issues of the day,
….you are free to do so…. just not here. We want to talk about sports, and ONLY SPORTS. If someone continues to bring up politics, they will be blocked from posting on the forums. We want to keep things civil here, and if you can’t do that, go someplace else.Awesome man – Thank you!
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I’m going to address this once in this forum. This is a place to talk about hockey, about the Leafs and the upcoming season. If you want to talk about politics, if you want to talk about some of the issues of the day,
….you are free to do so…. just not here. We want to talk about sports, and ONLY SPORTS. If someone continues to bring up politics, they will be blocked from posting on the forums. We want to keep things civil here, and if you can’t do that, go someplace else.Here’s another idea: maybe someone could try to get this site working properly
He is. His statement is also a step in getting the site working properly – so steps in the right direction.
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The Leafs suck without Marner.
I’ll be here to break down every Marner-less loss and provide unbiased professional commentary.
You seem to know a lot about sucking, you must have pleased a lot of men
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The Leafs suck without Marner.
I’ll be here to break down every Marner-less loss and provide unbiased professional commentary.
You seem to know a lot about sucking, you must have pleased a lot of men
lol.
C’mon Bruce..
I expect more than this.
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I hope you don’t think I’m joking, Bruce. I have endless alts.
I will relentlessly chirp Nylander and the laffs without Marner. I love him and I hate the laffs. So there you stoopid meanie mean man.
Go VGK Go!
Fk’n right! ?
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I hope you don’t think I’m joking, Bruce. I have endless alts.
I will relentlessly chirp Nylander and the laffs without Marner. I love him and I hate the laffs. So there you stoopid meanie mean man.
Go VGK Go!
You’re not very good at this Stonsie.
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Kampf clears waivers …. could there be a trade in the air?
Kampf and Yarny for Gravedigger @ 50%
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I hope you don’t think I’m joking, Bruce. I have endless alts.
I will relentlessly chirp Nylander and the laffs without Marner. I love him and I hate the laffs. So there you stoopid meanie mean man.
Go VGK Go!
You’re not very good at this Stonsie.
Haven’t heard from ole gall stones in awhile.
If that’s who he is. Maybe it’s one of AA’s psycho stalkers?
You never know!
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Christ AA – you know have your other accounts all replying to each other. You are officially the most sad little man on here. You have outshone UG finally. At least he tried to put something together hockey related….or honestly maybe that’s also you?!
Maybe? ?♂️
You just never know.
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Christ AA – you know have your other accounts all replying to each other. You are officially the most sad little man on here. You have outshone UG finally. At least he tried to put something together hockey related….or honestly maybe that’s also you?!
Sybil syndrome
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Leafs are going to have some hard decision to make coming up
They’re saying Reimer is going in, if that happens I don’t give fuck all about anything else, even if they don’t sign him
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They’re saying Reimer is going in, if that happens I don’t give fuck all about anything else, even if they don’t sign him
What a story to have Reimer back with the Leafs. Such a likeable player and quality human being. This is fantastic![/quote]
WTF?
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Tampa and Florida killing each other in preseason.
Hopefully they keep it up all season.
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What a story to have Reimer back with the Leafs. Such a likeable player and quality human being. This is fantastic!
And good ol’ Reimer lets the game get tied lol
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What a story to have Reimer back with the Leafs. Such a likeable player and quality human being. This is fantastic!
WTF?[/quote]
Seriously tho, love the guy, first game while rusty, I would never expect anything amazing from an old guy who didn’t land a contract.
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And good ol’ Reimer lets the game get tied lol
LOL. To be fair everyone in front of him got Caved in that period.
But yes, very leafy.[/quote]
Also a bunch of Marlies against a bunch of Wings, let’s face that as well
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First time back with the Maple Leafs
Lose in OT
James Reimer
Bring back Jake Gardiner.
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What a story to have Reimer back with the Leafs. Such a likeable player and quality human being. This is fantastic!
WTF?
Seriously tho, love the guy, first game while rusty, I would never expect anything amazing from an old guy who didn’t land a contract.[/quote]
I meant someone using/faking my username
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Boy was that a 3rd. Some of the worst ho key I can recall. They really hung James out to dry.
I didn’t watch because I knew when they lost everyone would just say “well it’s an AHL lineup blah blah blah.”
Even though they still lost to DET’s AHL lineup last game. The Leafs are in REAL trouble. Any major injuries and they’re cooked.
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I meant someone using/faking my username
Sorry, I was only paying half attention like I do nowadays. The one with a space is just that AA douche I assume?
Him as of late:
Hey everyone I’m chill and I’m working out all the time
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Please give me attentionI’m going to create a bunch of fake accounts based off of other people’s names
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Please give me attentionMarner Marner Marner Marner Marner let me masturbate to this hockey card I have Marner Marner Marner Marner Marner Marner
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Please give me attention… mom.Anyways Augello, if you’re catching this post please hear this from a long time mod. You really need to slam something down on this asswipe. Ban all those fake accounts forever, and his actual one for a notable period of time. Then pay attention. Everytime that jerkoff tries to do something drop the hammer on him on whatever account he is trying to go under. Seriously, this isn’t me begging, it’s me talking from experience to tell you how to stop this. Because unless I’m posting here paying full attention and just being nothing more than a loose poster shit like this will slip by me because I’m what you call, you know, a human.
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I meant someone using/faking my username
Sorry, I was only paying half attention like I do nowadays. The one with a space is just that AA douche I assume?
Him as of late:
Hey everyone I’m chill and I’m working out all the time
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Please give me attentionMarner Marner Marner Marner Marner let me masturbate to this hockey card I have Marner Marner Marner Marner Marner Marner
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Please give me attention… mom.Anyways Augello, if you’re catching this post please hear this from a long time mod. You really need to slam something down on this asswipe. Ban all those fake accounts forever, and his actual one for a notable period of time. Then pay attention. Everytime that jerkoff tries to do something drop the hammer on him on whatever account he is trying to go under. Seriously, this isn’t me begging, it’s me talking from experience to tell you how to stop this. Because unless I’m posting here paying full attention and just being nothing more than a loose poster shit like this will slip by me because I’m what you call, you know, a human.
Bruce, I’m being 100% serious here, I’ve never posted as anyone other than EB on this site.
I’ve never pretended to be anyone else either here or at the other site.
You owe me an apology, dude.
If I had to guess, the AA account is Galactic Stone, and any other fake account is probably one of my stalkers, Billy etc. because he’s just cringe enough to do such a thing. I wouldn’t do that. Honestly.
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You’re such a liar buds. You were outed by Cush when you stole my username. Your response, topics, style everything. Nobody is believing the moron with 5 usernames on the original HB just randomly decides to only have one here. Such a moron
You and UG (who is at least trying not to be an idiot recently) absolutely murdered the last site. People literally pleased with you to stop your crap with Mitch’s vs Willy and just kept being an ass. It’s happening (on your own admission) here. You literally posted how you will relentlessly troll leafs fans over Mitchy Bitchy – and now you talk out of the other side of your mouth trying to convince folks you aren’t these other users? You little buddy are a clown
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You’re such a liar buds. You were outed by Cush when you stole my username. Your response, topics, style everything. Nobody is believing the moron with 5 usernames on the original HB just randomly decides to only have one here. Such a moron
You and UG (who is at least trying not to be an idiot recently) absolutely murdered the last site. People literally pleased with you to stop your crap with Mitch’s vs Willy and just kept being an ass. It’s happening (on your own admission) here. You literally posted how you will relentlessly troll leafs fans over Mitchy Bitchy – and now you talk out of the other side of your mouth trying to convince folks you aren’t these other users? You little buddy are a clown
I mean this not as an insult, but as an acknowledgment of fact.
You honestly have to be stupid to believe what you just said. Someone out there (maybe even you or Cush?) is laughing their ass off at you for falling for this. Look, I messed up a lot of peoples brains over at the other place because I’m good at getting under people’s skin. However, I warned you all before turning heel. I laid out exactly my reasoning before doing it, and I was left with no choice. I have no intentions of derailing anything now.
I’d say you owe me an apology, too. But I don’t respect you enough as a man to ask one from you. Bruce isn’t a bad guy, just misled on this issue. I don’t owe you any more explanation. You can go dive into the shallow part of the Humber for all I care.
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You’re such a liar buds. You were outed by Cush when you stole my username. Your response, topics, style everything. Nobody is believing the moron with 5 usernames on the original HB just randomly decides to only have one here. Such a moron
You and UG (who is at least trying not to be an idiot recently) absolutely murdered the last site. People literally pleased with you to stop your crap with Mitch’s vs Willy and just kept being an ass. It’s happening (on your own admission) here. You literally posted how you will relentlessly troll leafs fans over Mitchy Bitchy – and now you talk out of the other side of your mouth trying to convince folks you aren’t these other users? You little buddy are a clown
I mean this not as an insult, but as an acknowledgment of fact.
You honestly have to be stupid to believe what you just said. Someone out there (maybe even you or Cush?) is laughing their ass off at you for falling for this. Look, I messed up a lot of peoples brains over at the other place because I’m good at getting under people’s skin. However, I warned you all before turning heel. I laid out exactly my reasoning before doing it, and I was left with no choice. I have no intentions of derailing anything now.
I’d say you owe me an apology, too. But I don’t respect you enough as a man to ask one from you. Bruce isn’t a bad guy, just misled on this issue. I don’t owe you any more explanation. You can go dive into the shallow part of the Humber for all I care.
Misled???? LOL!!! I am guessing as a mod he had more insight than any of us as to your true nature. Bye Bye Mitch. You sure post a lot on the Leafs’ threads for a guy who doesnn’t like them anymore
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Listen to your language! You are a delusional psycho.
You never ‘messed up’ anyone’s brains. You were annoying. Like a bloody fly. That’s what you did. You are a nuisance an annoyance. That is all. Nothing more nothing less. A wimpy coward trolling people incessantly.
You are good at getting under peoples skin? On the internet? Cool flex you moron. Life skills eh – be a tiny wimp and piss off others on the internet. I guess living in a shack in buttfuck northern Ontario drinking white claws really lowers your goals eh.
You ‘warned everyone’? Who do you think you are? I’ll tell you (via text cause you’re deaf) you are nothing.
Go ‘dove shallow Humber yadda yadda’ – so now I’m what, the fourth person you are telling to kill themselves? Is this another big win for you?
You are a true hero buds. A true hero.
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Listen to your language! You are a delusional psycho.
You never ‘messed up’ anyone’s brains. You were annoying. Like a bloody fly. That’s what you did. You are a nuisance an annoyance. That is all. Nothing more nothing less. A wimpy coward trolling people incessantly.
You are good at getting under peoples skin? On the internet? Cool flex you moron. Life skills eh – be a tiny wimp and piss off others on the internet. I guess living in a shack in buttfuck northern Ontario drinking white claws really lowers your goals eh.
You ‘warned everyone’? Who do you think you are? I’ll tell you (via text cause you’re deaf) you are nothing.
Go ‘dove shallow Humber yadda yadda’ – so now I’m what, the fourth person you are telling to kill themselves? Is this another big win for you?
You are a true hero buds. A true hero.
This is getting ridiculous.
Lmao.
Bruce, don’t be like these guys.
They’re cray-cray.
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This is getting ridiculous.
Lmao.
Bruce, don’t be like these guys.
They’re cray-cray.
Should I point out I never mentioned the EB account? So since it’s the only one of “you” on this site what I said simply has nothing to do with “you” no?
Cheers.
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This is getting ridiculous.
Lmao.
Bruce, don’t be like these guys.
They’re cray-cray.
Should I point out I never mentioned the EB account? So since it’s the only one of “you” on this site what I said simply has nothing to do with “you” no?
Cheers.
You said “ban all his accounts.”
I only have this account.
Either way you think I’m running all those accounts but I’m not. You never tell the crazy stalkers to lay off, you sort of just embolden them.
You can do a lot better. This started when you accused me yesterday. Just admit you were wrong and I hardly ever post here.
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Leafs make some cuts yet?
they cut Mcdavid, so he re-signed with Edmonton
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Leafs make some cuts yet?
they cut Mcdavid, so he re-signed with Edmonton
not so deep cuts the knife with a 2 year deal.
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McDavid signs 2 years x $12.5m.
A true star and team player.
Take note Matthews.
But McDavid was going to come to the Leafs…
Matthews ain’t doing that.
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not so deep cuts the knife with a 2 year deal.
so his deal ends the same time as Matthews, and if they dont win a cup in 3 years, they can both sign with Florida for 1.5m each
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humm,……
I see some post are gone.
Thanks Cush for the now gone post about the waived players.
A. Nylander. I though he signed an AHL contract again with the Marlies.
Wonder why my post was deleted?
McJesus signing or 2 years at far less than what he is worth to me is simply him saying to Edmonton’s brain trust “if you clowns can’t get me the supporting cast to win a cup I’m gone afterwards”.
Him taking a deep discount to allow them to do that is him really putting the pressure on the Oilers.
The fact his deal ends the same year as Matthews is wildly intriguing and will make for some heated chatter from almost all fanbases if neither of them extend very early before that deal is done. I can already hear the chirping about how both Canadian markets are going to lose their captains etc……
lol
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Wonder why my post was deleted?
McJesus signing or 2 years at far less than what he is worth to me is simply him saying to Edmonton’s brain trust “if you clowns can’t get me the supporting cast to win a cup I’m gone afterwards”.
Him taking a deep discount to allow them to do that is him really putting the pressure on the Oilers.
The fact his deal ends the same year as Matthews is wildly intriguing and will make for some heated chatter from almost all fanbases if neither of them extend very early before that deal is done. I can already hear the chirping about how both Canadian markets are going to lose their captains etc……
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Honestly I think he will 100% leave Edmonton. To me this 2 year deal had as much to do with Drais as it did with anything else. It’s McJesus controlling it as he should.
– oilers either get an actual team and stop relying on 2 superstars and a PP or he’s gone
– I think Drais deal started this year? If yes then it gives him 3 years with McDavid
No way after Drais signed that long was McDavid going to take off immediately. This way it even gives the German an opportunity to say he played 3 years of his deal before asking out…which I feel he will as I don’t think Bowman will be able to fill out the roster. As much as it’s an easy sell to say come play with the best player on earth – it’s a bit difficult to say come to Edmonton. Nothing against the city necessarily, it’s just not a players fav destination to play.
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Leafs make a couple waiver wire claims.
Cayden Primeau and Sammy Blais
I would guess this may end the Reimer return.
Primeau’s NHL numbers are not that great so this looks more like a gamble chasing future potential rather than current proven results.
Blais is a 4th liner Berube trusts from St. Louis days, crash and bang spark plug.
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Leafs make a couple waiver wire claims.
Cayden Primeau and Sammy Blais
I would guess this may end the Reimer return.
also say goodbye to Jarnkrok, Kampf and most like Robertson.
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McDavid signed for 12.5M because he knows Marner is his closest comparable in the league.
Marner and McDavid won gold for Team Canada.
My prediction is Marner and McDavid will win a cup in Vegas. Marner will already have one or two, but will get 4+ when McDavid joins him.
Sorry just to continue from my above post.
I mean, who here can really say that the following players are more valuable:
Nate-Dog
Draisaitl
Kucherov
Matthews
Makar
Eichel
Q. Hughes
Kaprizov
Pasta
Vasilevskiy
Bob
B. Tkachuk
M. TkachukNobody! Marner will go down as the best winger to ever put on a pair of ice hockey skates. With the nicest driest hair and gear after games.
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Leafs make a couple waiver wire claims.
Cayden Primeau and Sammy Blais
I would guess this may end the Reimer return.
also say goodbye to Jarnkrok, Kampf and most like Robertson.
Blais played 0 NHL games last year. He was an AHLer. So, he’s not locked into the line-up over those guys yet.
Blais has always been a 13th forward type player, even under Berube in St. Louis, never played a full NHL season in his career.
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[quote] Blais played 0 NHL games last year. He was an AHLer. So, he’s not locked into the line-up over those guys yet.
since the Leafs claimed him, he needs to be on the roster for x amount of days before he can be sent down to the Marlies.
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since the Leafs claimed him, he needs to be on the roster for x amount of days before he can be sent down to the Marlies.
Just seems weird to pluck a guy like that off waivers and expect him to be a full time player.
He played 0 games last year and 53 pretty bad games the year before. Doesn’t seem like much of an improvement in terms of a full time player.
In terms of 4th liners, he seems more like Pezzetta than the other 4th liners they have.
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McDavid signed for 12.5M because he knows Marner is his closest comparable in the league.
Marner and McDavid won gold for Team Canada.
My prediction is Marner and McDavid will win a cup in Vegas. Marner will already have one or two, but will get 4+ when McDavid joins him.
Sorry just to continue from my above post.
I mean, who here can really say that the following players are more valuable:
Nate-Dog
Draisaitl
Kucherov
Matthews
Makar
Eichel
Q. Hughes
Kaprizov
Pasta
Vasilevskiy
Bob
B. Tkachuk
M. TkachukNobody! Marner will go down as the best winger to ever put on a pair of ice hockey skates. With the nicest driest hair and gear after games.
Marner cant be compared to anyone tbh. He’s the best defensive fwd on that list. VGK will win the cup, and multiple more because of MM16.
Does that mean he’s the most valuable player in the NHL? No. But he’s more valuable than any Leaf ever. More valuable than someone who’s in their mid-30’s on the backside of their career.
Right now Canada’s most valuable assets are McDavid, Makar, Marner. MacKinnon will start to digress but will be good into his late 30’s like Sid. Point is also really good.
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Ha idiots! I proved it, just look at Marner’s trophy case. They are way too stupid to acknowledge how filled with selkes from killing penalties it is.
How many have any of the others won? None. How many have Matthew’s and Marner been nominated for? Marner has been nominated every year he’s been in NHL. Wingers always take on more responsibilities in the defensive side of the game versus centers do. Facts.
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Time for a new forum to start the season.
Really just one guy who makes the place unbearable.
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Time for a new forum to start the season.
Really just one guy who makes the place unbearable.
It’s actually a team of us.
We’re basically a cabal.
Apparently ppl are pretending to be me pretending to be other posters so now all you numptys think I’ve been here trolling all summer lol.. but I only started a few days ago.
Not trolling, just giving fair, balanced, hockey opinions.
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